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Examples of good and bad

The following are examples of my thinking:

Good - "wow, he's cute"

Bad - "He had a great bulge" or "She had a great rack"

All threads and posts, regardless of sexual orientation, will have to adhere to these kinds of thoughts.

Co-operation is appreciated.
 
Wow - I just discovered this delightful thread. Such drama! Of course, anything that involves the topic at hand must have a bit of drama, I suppose.

I have always felt right at home on MacRumors. It was pretty easy to tell that some of the MR regulars were (as my ex-boyfriend put it) "camp as a row of chiffon tents."

Now, I must go and order some iPod socks.
 
SuperChuck said:
"camp as a row of chiffon tents."
Now, I must go and order some iPod socks.

We've got to start a list...

+ Camp as a Row of Chiffon Tents.
+ Friend of Judy
+ Light in the Loafers
+ Queer as a Three-Dollar Bill

And what proud homo doesn't love iPod Socks!
 
Chip NoVaMac said:
Emerson, I don't think that it is this thread specifically. It seems to be a trend that people are going beyond the bounds of decency in many threads.

Saying that you met up with a cute guy at a club is OK; but going in to details is causing problems. Much like I think a thread about Keira(sp?) talking in detail about her assets may now be a problem.

But does anyone here honestly think that there's a person on this forum who hasn't already talked about the birds and the bees? Everyone I knew had talked about sex by the time they were 11. Children aren't as naive as you may think. Most have seen sex (not in person, for the most part, on a website or in a magazine is normal) by 13, many lose their virginity not many years afterwards. My cousin showed me a porn site when I was in 5th grade... I was 10 years old. I turned out okay... I had heard about such things beforehand. I remember first hearing about masturbation at dive camp the first year I went when I was 8. I had a very undeveloped grasp of sex even before this. And I always recalled being a bit clueless about sex compared to the others when I was in school. Oh, and this was at a rich, white private school. I'm sure we were a lot less corrupt than anyone else.

I remember, in 8th grade (13 years old), hearing about a guy named Trey sexual encounter, and that being a huge deal... cmon'... if by 13 I knew about sexual encounter and a person was receiving them at my rich private white school, then there can't be a person in the world who hasn't been exposed to such things by that age.

Children aren't as naive to the realities of the world as we may think.

And they turn out okay! It isn't the sexually graphic stuff that corrupts children. I've never done a significantly mean or harmful thing to anyone in my life. Beyond petty lies and such things, which are out of my life for good, my record is clean.

I really don't think anyone at MR is naive enough to learn anything they don't know already from this thread. And if they are, then maybe they should learn that life is more than rainbows, unicorns, and faerie dust. It's not like we are showing them porn or anything...

No 13 year olds will be rolling through here, read the thread, and hear anything that they haven't already heard worse of from their school mates, TV, older siblings, etc.

_Emerson
 
bousozoku said:
Yeah yeah, bad glasses aren't going to get you anywhere. :D
But what if I'm blind? :cool:

I promise to never publish my personal g*y s*x diaries here on MacRumors ever. (raises right hand) :)
 
MontyZ said:
We've got to start a list...

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+ Camp as a Row of Chiffon Tents.
+ Friend of Judy
+ Light in the Loafers
+ Queer as a Three-Dollar Bill
+ As Square as a Butter Box
+ Straight as a Snake

And what proud homo doesn't love iPod Socks!
 
For the sight impaired

MontyZ said:
But what if I'm blind? :cool:

I promise to never publish my personal g*y s*x diaries here on MacRumors ever. (raises right hand) :)
Just think of a very dark gay maze, and feel your way around. That's what tactile senses are for. And what's your raised right hand up to ???
Kevin
aka Grey Beard
 
scem0 said:
if by 13 I knew about (WORD THAT'S NOT HELPING) and a person was receiving them at my rich private white school, then there can't be a person in the world who hasn't been exposed to such things by that age.

Hi there. How ya' doin'?

Not every place is like NYC - or even the Greater New England area. Lived in NYC for many years - love the place - definitely coming back - but it can give you a skewed view of the world. I'm in Jerry Falwell's hometown at the moment, and I can assure you that things in other parts of the world are not quite as "with-it" as you may think.

And even if they were, is it really so hard to not be graphic in a computer forum? All they're asking is that you tone it down - and you agreed - so I don't see the point of the post.

Living in the cultural black hole of the Universe (aka Lynchburg, VA) I can tell you from experience that lots of kids' parents would be shocked to discover that their kids had read the posts about where to hang your iPod sock, let alone the mildest of your stories. These things don't bother most of us, but the mods have to think like parents - it's their job.

So, don't take it personally - there's a place for wild and crazy NYC stories - its just not here. Give the mods a break - they're trying to make the site fit for 8-year old eMac-ers and 70 year old guys who still boot up their Performas and everyone in between.
 
scem0 said:
But does anyone here honestly think that there's a person on this forum who hasn't already talked about the birds and the bees? Everyone I knew had talked about sex by the time they were 11. Children aren't as naive as you may think. Most have seen sex (not in person, for the most part, on a website or in a magazine is normal) by 13, many lose their virginity not many years afterwards. My cousin showed me a porn site when I was in 5th grade... I was 10 years old. I turned out okay... I had heard about such things beforehand. I remember first hearing about masturbation at dive camp the first year I went when I was 8. I had a very undeveloped grasp of sex even before this. And I always recalled being a bit clueless about sex compared to the others when I was in school. Oh, and this was at a rich, white private school. I'm sure we were a lot less corrupt than anyone else.

I remember, in 8th grade (13 years old), hearing about a guy named Trey getting a blowjob, and that being a huge deal... cmon'... if by 13 I knew about blowjobs and a person was receiving them at my rich private white school, then there can't be a person in the world who hasn't been exposed to such things by that age.

Children aren't as naive to the realities of the world as we may think.

And they turn out okay! It isn't the sexually graphic stuff that corrupts children. I've never done a significantly mean or harmful thing to anyone in my life. Beyond petty lies and such things, which are out of my life for good, my record is clean.

I really don't think anyone at MR is naive enough to learn anything they don't know already from this thread. And if they are, then maybe they should learn that life is more than rainbows, unicorns, and faerie dust. It's not like we are showing them porn or anything...

No 13 year olds will be rolling through here, read the thread, and hear anything that they haven't already heard worse of from their school mates, TV, older siblings, etc.

_Emerson

I agree with you, but the point being is that here on MR there may have been too many threads that are getting out of hand. Even a thread that I mentioned to a girl and her BF, that I could "rock their world" in the light of the new day here, may be out of bounds.

If I understand the mods concerns, some of what you have posted above can be a red flag. Not that I am siding with them, but having run a BBS in the past - I can appreciate their concerns.

The concerns IMO are that like in your first paragraph, you gave too much detail. I know it made a point; but it opens up a big can of worms about possible sexual abuse of a child.

And in your second paragraph you were pretty explicit as to the "act". The point is that the mods seem to have said that discussion of details will not be tolerated. Notice that I used "fun" to try to get my point across about details. I think based on what I have read from the mod's that would be OK.

IMO there is a balancing act going on from those that feel MR should be a Mac rumors only site, and those of us that have found a community and friends that we look forward to visiting with each day or so.

I understand your feelings. And applaud them. But the mods have given us guidance on what they want from us. That is why I offered to host on .Mac account a place that we might be able to let it all hang out.
 
Chip NoVaMac said:
The only ones that I can think of were iAlan's creative editing of emo's posts. But those were done in satire, and did bring a smile to my face when reading it.

Sorry :( I hope I haven't started the downfall of this thread - although I will be honest, there are way more posts that I need to delete words from to make them cleaner...

With right hand on the bible (aka Apple Users Guide): I swear I will not delete words from innocent posts to make them a little bit naughty...of course you need to make sure your posts just don't WANT to be naughty-ified...

PS: Satire intended...

PPS: (And i am not sucking up) MR has done a great job recently with the volume of posts and user access across all threads (especially with the hype leading up to the new iPod announcement) and I read we blew away our own 'most users on-line' record. Well done us!

EDIT: This is not intended to belittle the message above, which I did not read as i was responding to a post made much much earlier....
 
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See? The story is increadibly lame without the other parts. Part of what makes this thread such a success in my eyes is that it transcends petty things like being civilized or classy. We get to the core, primal emotions of the human being, and that makes this thread identifiable to us.

I won't pursue it further though, I won't let myself get any more worked up about this. I have a blog to post the graphic things at, but I feel bad for those who don't have their own place to post graphic material, because now they don't even have the option of posting some things in an honest voice because a theoretical grandmother wouldn't approve.

_Emerson[/QUOTE]

I disagree with your edited story. It was just as good as your original IMO. And hopefully fitting more in the tone that the mods want. I agree that it would be nice for people to have a welcoming place to post more graphic (if your orginal posts were really that graphic except that ONE :eek: ); but maybe MR is not the place for it.

Strip the "graphic" details from your posts, and the replies that followed - you made your contribution to others that stumbled across it. I'll repeat (sort of) of what I said before. Your posts have given me hope for the younger generation of Gay/Lesbian youth. I appluad your control on wanting to wait for "Mr. Right". There are many regardless of age that don't have your control; past or present. And if I were your Father, I would be proud to have you as my son. You were raised well.

At the same point, you do not score points by beating some over the head. I have always felt that we could learn something from the Civil Rights movement of the 60's, if we put forth a "positive" image. Not that Gay Pride Day parades should have us in white shirts and ties. But having men in chaps and cod pieces or the gym bodies in the skimpy shorts being shirtless - being themselves, frenching and groping (hope this passes muster with the mods) does not fit with Mid-America values. Nor does it represent the values of the rest of Gay/Lesbian America. It may be great eye-candy, but it is not who or what we are.

My ex of 13+ years and I survived living in the conservative county of Fairfax, Virginia not by hitting people over the head with what we did privately; by by showing them (at the time) we were a loving and committed couple just like them. Little did they know what we did behind closed doors. :D But just the same we cared little about they did behind their closed doors.

I don't consider myself to be a prude. But if the same posts were made like yours with a Str8 guy, with the same "graphic" details - I would probably have problem with it. At least here on MR.

IMO there is no reason to get worked up over the mods comments. For the benefit from your posts to future readers is far greater in the positive nature of your posts, than in the graphic detail.

I for one would hate to see you be given a "time out"; or worse yet banned. Reading between the lines of your posts; you give me hope, and bring back fond memories of my own "discovery". For that I thank you.

Happy dancing this weekend.

Will post pics from my trip to Chicago next week after I meet up with Lee and Tim
 
The offer is still out there guys for me to try and host a "group" with my .Mac account that would allow more freedom to express ourselves. I don't think the mods would have a problem with a sig line pointing to the "MR GayWay - Uncensored" group.

This way we might have the best of all worlds.
 
I'd be up for it :).

All points made by everyone are duly noted and the issue is not black and white at all, so although I disagree, I'm not the polar opposite of anyone here :p. I just wanted to make that clear.

_Emerson
 
Chip NoVaMac said:
The offer is still out there guys for me to try and host a "group" with my .Mac account that would allow more freedom to express ourselves. I don't think the mods would have a problem with a sig line pointing to the "MR GayWay - Uncensored" group.

This way we might have the best of all worlds.
Does one have to be a .Mac member to be a part of a .Mac group?
 
Hello

I havent been on in awhile, thought I would say hi.
Midterms Time!

The pic is not a midterm project, I just needed an updated pic of myself that I could use on myspace.com
 

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Guitarius said:
Does one have to be a .Mac member to be a part of a .Mac group?

From what I read, no. I will not be able to test or play with idea until Wednesday next week. After tomorrow evening I will not be online due to travel. So try and keep this thread a live till next week at least.
:D
 
Okay, but only because you want us to :).

Have fun with Lee and PlaceOfDis. Take lotsa pictures and tell us all about it when you get back.

_Emerson
 
In words from The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam

'Tis all a Chequer-board of Nights and Days
Where Destiny with Men for Pieces plays:
Hither and thither moves, and mates and slays,
And one by one in the Closet lays.

The Ball no Question makes of Ayes and Noes,
But Right or Left as strikes the Player goes;
And He that toss'd Thee down into the Field
He knows about it all - He knows - HE knows!

The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.

Well Emo, if as Chip says, you need someone to beat over the head, I'm always available. The brain is screwed already. Don't worry unduly as your blog's there for you. I guess that based on the mid western or southern baptist criteria, some comments were a tad overt. However you may find it a lot of fun to use innuendo, suggestion and implication. Words are great and it's fun playing with them. Often you can take the piss out of someone and they don't even know.

I'll still post as long as GayWay is there, and I'll have fun reading between the lines. Your blogs there for us too, for those among us who take a fiendish delight in living your salacious experiences albeit vicariously. See what I mean.

I feel much better after getting that off my snuggly and cuddlesome chest.

Hugs,
Kevin
aka Grey Beard
 
Chip NoVaMac said:
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My ex of 13+ years and I survived living in the conservative county of Fairfax, Virginia not by hitting people over the head with what we did privately; by by showing them (at the time) we were a loving and committed couple just like them. Little did they know what we did behind closed doors. :D But just the same we cared little about they did behind their closed doors.

While I agree things got a little carried away in this thread and it needs to be toned down, this is the part of your post I vehemently disagree with. Coming from extremely conservative Ohio, I can tell you that being exactly who I am is what got me through it. If you haven't caught on by now, I can be quite the bulldozer. I could give a crap what anyone thinks of me and make no concessions just because an area is conservative. When I was in school in a small college town in Ohio, I made a point of being loud, out and proud. I spoke in classes and at protests and had a punk band. The band got quite graphic onstage as well-think of the famous Bowie/Mick Ronson photo from the seventies and magnify that times ten. That was during the Reagan/Bush years too. While I think many people were shocked, and the crowds at our shows were small at first- we ended up being so popular by the end of my time there that lines would form around the block for our gigs (even with tons of frat boys, no lie). My parents came to our very last show and were amazed. They said, "How in the world did you do this?" My answer was by being exactly who I am and not hiding a thing.

Point is- I don't think we do ourselves any favors by trying to make others comfortable. Do I need to broadcast a video from my bedroom? No. But sooner or later, people are going to have to deal with us on our terms and agree to some sort of mutual respect. Life is too damn short to worry about what someone else may think of you. I believe we cheat ourselves and others when we try to make ourselves "palatable" to the mainstream world.

Whoa! Ok, I'm ranting. :) Love you guys!
 
Just for the record, scem0's post has not been deleted as a reprimand.

The fact it was posted after a request for restraint from the mods is not too cool, but it's a question of balance.

I wouldn't expect a graphic post about a heterosexual encounter to survive long on these forums and rightly so given the wide cross-section of our membership.

Whilst I agree that the subject is entirely appropriate for the Community section, this thread crosses the line on many occasions, and may yet end up Wastelanded, it's really up to you where it goes from here.

Please think of others before posting.
 
WinterMute said:
Just for the record, scem0's post has not been deleted as a reprimand.

The fact it was posted after a request for restraint from the mods is not too cool, but it's a question of balance.

I wouldn't expect a graphic post about a heterosexual encounter to survive long on these forums and rightly so given the wide cross-section of our membership.

Whilst I agree that the subject is entirely appropriate for the Community section, this thread crosses the line on many occasions, and may yet end up Wastelanded, it's really up to you where it goes from here.

Please think of others before posting.

Point taken- No problem. See what happens when you get a bunch of guys together? ;)
 
neildmitchell said:
I havent been on in awhile, thought I would say hi.
Midterms Time!

The pic is not a midterm project, I just needed an updated pic of myself that I could use on myspace.com

OMG! Hi Neil! I was wondering where you went. How are you?
 
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