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I will not obviously keep getting ripped off.
Nah, it was far from obvious when you use terms like We, Our and Us.
If you want to continue get taken advantage of then go for it.
Seems like this affects older phones.
I'm on the upgrade every year.
snip.. At least now we have proof.
Until it stands up in court all you have is hypothesis.
Why would I or anyone keep giving money to a company that screws them over like that?
Only you can answer that.
 
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Batteries are problematic.
Rechargeable batteries even more so.
The harder the battery is used and the more cycles put on the battery will lead to a faster decline in the stability of the battery. This is not just an Apple problem. The plaintive crys of lawsuits or massive recalls are silly. Apple did do a recall of some iPhone 6s batteries when it was shown that a set of batteries were acting in a non-standard way. My 6s battery was replaced under this program.
What does bother me is not the fact that Apple maybe trying to lengthen the charge life of a battery by hindering the performance of the phone but that Apple is not letting users know that the phone is beginning to experience performance hits because the battery has begun to lose its efficiency. If this story is true, Apple already has software that determines when the battery is showing signs of wear so Apple could include a message to the user that the user may experience some performance hits due to the aging battery and that the user may wish to consider replacing the battery when the performance of the phone significantly hampers its use. Apple could have this pop up on the screen on a monthly basis once its software has determined that performance needs to be throttled to lengthen phone usage time.
Complainers will complain but batteries don't last forever and I would rather know when the downward cycle has begun so I can determine when replacing the battery best fits my schedule. This is also good news in that the slow downs in older phones could more than likely be because of an aging battery and not because my older phone can't adequately run the new software.

The more worrying problem is, the faulty batteries tends to pass Apple's diagnostic tests on which ground Apple can deny exchanging your battery. Pre 10.2.1, my mother's iPhone 6 was shutting down at around 30/40% but after plug in the charger it would boot right up and display the battery to be 80-90%. Post 10.2.1, the shutting down at 30/40% issue was indeed gone but it also became excruciatingly slow. I brought it in for service and was told all was in good working order, the geniuses placed the cause for the slow speeds on everything from aged flash memory, to non optimized software etc... It boggled my mind they would even refuse installing a new battery when I offered to pay for it. Suppose my phone is in absolutely great working order without any issues whatsoever, and I just want to install a new battery every 2 years for any reasons at all, apparently you are only "allowed" to do so on Apple devices with Apple's permission.
 
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So basically Apple just can't win!

Iphone users experience random shutdowns due to degraded batteries causing low voltage shutdowns... users complain.

Apple issue a fix to reduce load on CPU to prevent low-voltage shutdowns from happening on iPhones with degraded batteries... users still complain.

I don’t think it’s all an degraded battery issue though. I had a 6 month old iPhone 6s that had the shutdown issue especially during cool weather (10 Celsius). Went to the Apple store a few times and they said the battery was fine after running diagnostics. I had to record a video of the shutdown happening to show to the Apple tech. They reluctantly replaced the phone with a new one. The new one also had the shutdown issue but eventually it went away probably due to the 10.2.1 upgrade. Wish I still had the phone to run Geekbench on it.
 
Interesting. Can you please provide specific details about how Apple copies other competitors ? Again, please be specific in your reply exactly what you're referring to how Apple copies other competitors and claims innovation.
Well...

Phablets came to Apple last.

AMOLED is now on the iPhone, years later.

Minimal bezel? Just add a notch! It's still not a new concept all together.

Antenna lines on the iPhone 6?
HTC already had those prior.

I'm just going off the top of my head.

I think all companies copy each other. It's just funny when Apple calls removing something innovation, like yeah... They can now sell you something else!

Like having to buy extra cables to connect your iPhone to your Mac? Who thought that was a good idea?

I don't hate Apple but they aren't immune to trends or making decisions that financially benefit them greatly.

Edit:

Tim Cook:


Said during his commencement speech at George Washington University in 2015

"Some people see innovation as change, but we have never really seen it like that. It’s making things better."

Better for who exactly?
 
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Why should I fully trust Face ID again?

And all this Secure Enclave, locally stored and encrypted hoopla, if the leaders of the company are amoral?

How can supposed tech implementation safeguards overcome thick amorality? Much less gross negligence/incompetence (at Best)? Or both?
That would be a slippery slope basically. We wouldn't be able to use, do, or even face most things in life if that type of approach was always applied to things.
 
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I am VERY surprised macrumors did an article on this! WOW! In all honesty I assumed this site was an Apple apologist run site. Props to MR!

I am one of the affected with an iPhone 6s 32GB that just turned a year old on the 26th of November. So battery degration "over a few years" is hogwash.

In fairness, they didn't. GeekBench/Primate Labs posted a blog article, that was picked up by 9to5Mac and then by Mac Rumors. The credit goes to Primate Labs, though without the boost from 9to5Mac and MR and the pile of others who will pick this story up, it might have stayed in the limelight.
 
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Well...

Phablets came to Apple last.

AMOLED is now on the iPhone, years later.

Minimal bezel? Just add a notch! It's still not a new concept all together.

Antenna lines on the iPhone 6?
HTC already had those prior.

I'm just going off the top of my head.

I think all companies copy each other. It's just funny when Apple calls removing something innovation, like yeah... They can now sell you something else!

Like having to buy extra cables to connect your iPhone to your Mac? Who thought that was a good idea?

I don't hate Apple but they aren't immune to trends or making decisions that financially benefit them greatly.
Antenna lines were touted as "innovation"? :confused:
 
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Why would I ever trust Apple again?

The answer is: why did you ever trust Apple in the first place? It's a business, not Mother Theresa (who, by the way, is reputed to have been a very sharp, testy and generally salty human being in real life).

Do your research, examine your expectations, and move forward accordingly.
 
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In fairness, they didn't. GeekBench/Primate Labs posted a blog article, that was picked up by 9to5Mac and then by Mac Rumors. The credit goes to Primate Labs, though without the boost from 9to5Mac and MR and the pile of others who will pick this story up, it might have stayed in the limelight.

actually credit goes to the reddit user who posted his findings last weekend, thats what got ball rolling on further investigations. MacRumors may have had first article on it.

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...egraded-batteries-causes-controversy.2094362/
 
And explain why apple refuses to replace batteries that passes the test even when customers are willing to pay. This is a known fact, so try and deny this one.
To be clear, I am not agreeing with Apple not replacing if you are willing to pay.
This is just a suggested reason why they may not replace if you are willing to pay:
1: Could be conceived as admission to fault
2: Once they open to replace or swap out phone, it opens them to further complaints like:
a: after you replaced my batter so and so is not occurring. It because you replaced my battery
b: after you swapped out my phone for battery issue, I am have a new issue with this replacement phone
c: when I got my phone back after it was replaced, the back was scratched
etc. etc.

Again I do not agree with the policy but the above may be some the reasons they just don't let you pay for battery replacement.
 
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Why would I ever trust Apple again?

The answer is: why did you ever trust Apple in the first place? It's a business, not Mother Theresa (who, by the way, is reputed to have been a very sharp, testy and generally salty human being in real life).

Do your research, examine your expectations, and move forward accordingly.

My expectations are that Apple would acknowledge this issue and not hide in silence. They essentially forced an update on iphone users without addressing how they "fixed it". Going forward I would expect Apple to have a popup that warns battery health is bad and performance will be throttled accordingly. This is just bad business practice and transparency is key.
 
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When your phone is slowed down by more than 50% then see how you like it :D
But dont say anything about it , Just give Apple $999 plus tax and keep repeating the same:D
You are their favorite customer(Sheep) :D
Wow -50%? If that’s true then that’s terrible.
You had to ruin it with the sheep comment though
 
actually credit goes to the reddit user who posted his findings last weekend, thats what got ball rolling on further investigations. MacRumors may have had first article on it.

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...egraded-batteries-causes-controversy.2094362/

Actually, you're right, the people at PL were motivated by the reddit thread.

I was on the computer when 9to5Mac published the story and it hadn't been posted on MR yet (fwiw, which isn't a lot).
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My expectations are that Apple would acknowledge this issue and not hide in silence. They essentially forced an update on iphone users without addressing how they "fixed it". Going forward I would expect Apple to have a popup that warns battery health is bad and performance will be throttled accordingly. This is just bad business practice and transparency is key.

I agree with that.
 
Why would I ever trust Apple again?

The answer is: why did you ever trust Apple in the first place? It's a business, not Mother Theresa (who, by the way, is reputed to have been a very sharp, testy and generally salty human being in real life).

Do your research, examine your expectations, and move forward accordingly.

To be fair, I think we all "trusted" Apple to make great products that are the best options on the market, it's the reason we shell out a premium for Apple products. What disappoints me about the new Apple vs the Old, is even in Job's failures (cube, mobileme, ping, "you are holding it wrong" etc), you still sense he puts an honest effort and passion into each project he oversaw, even if they don't turn out perfect we can still appreciate his attention to detail and perfectionism. It's the recent trend of sacrificing quality and purely chasing after profits that leaves a bitter taste in many of us old timer Apple fans.

In the case of faulty batteries, I never would've blamed Apple for them. Batteries are disposable parts and the fine balance between capacity/physical dimension/longevity have always been tricky. Apple should have been honest with the consumers about the cause of unexpected behaviors and allowed consumers to exchange old batteries at their discretion, instead of being sneaky about it, then pretend nothing is wrong.
 
Antenna lines were touted as "innovation"? :confused:
I'm saying that not everything Apple calls innovation is truly such. Touch ID was an improvement over technology already here. Remember the Motorola Atrix?

I'm saying Apple sees something, improves on it, then calls it innovation.

I'm not saying they always do this.
 
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