BAD move. I won’t buy a car without CarPlay.
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We’ll see, for me as a car buyer it’s simple:
Has it apple carplay & android auto?
If not i’ll treat it as having no infotainment system. This has nothing to do with the quality of the infotainment and everything with i can use my devices as is.
This doesn’t mean that i wont consider cars having no infotainment. Its one variable among many. But using infotainment as a differentiator is a fools errand.
Has it apple carplay & android auto?
If not i’ll treat it as having no infotainment system. This has nothing to do with the quality of the infotainment and everything with i can use my devices as is.
This doesn’t mean that i wont consider cars having no infotainment. Its one variable among many. But using infotainment as a differentiator is a fools errand.
You can say no car is perfect and that all autos have something that might annoy you a little, but something I interact with each and everyday HAS to be right. Apple Carplay is that thing. I have rented a great number of cars over the years and have tried many different car manufacturers own infotainment systems, and well…they stink. I always feel like I am fighting the car to get it to do what I want. With Apple Carplay (and Android Auto for that matter), that all goes away. You get a system that you are familiar with from car to car, that other family members who might drive your car also are familiar with and it just works better.
I don’t want to be annoyed by my car. I have to have comfortable seats, cup holders that are accessible in positions that make sense. A place where I can put a trash bag. Good readable instrument cluster, a/c that works good, decent trunk space, decent reliability and yes, CarPlay.
Anything that adds friction to the experience and causes me hassles just is not going to work for me.
I find using a USB stick or SD card for music just as odd. But that’s the point. We use our cars in different ways and should have choices.
Okay, but why wouldn’t that situation still exist with whatever software Google makes for them?
I’m curious what the update situation looks like 5, 7 and 10 years out on that though. With Apple at least I know I am going to get updates. With car manufacturers, not so much.
Part of the reason for this decision (which I view as a disaster) is that at some point you will be paying for your updates. Just like you will be paying for the google services after I believe they said 8 years. They are trying to change you from your iPhone to your car for your navigation, and entertainment + travel data, all of which they are going to collect a fee for at some point. One thing that they have not yet covered is how do you listen to Apple Music? They are supplying Spotify. And they say that I can send music from my phone by Bluetooth. That’s an incredible safety issue if I am listening to either Apple Music, or Amazon music, both of which I use. Because then I would have to look at my iPhone to control which music I’m listening to. ( and happens to be illegal in my state) The more you understand this decision, the more it’s an absolute disaster.
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Another problem that I have with this design is that it furnishes the take over in services by one of my least favorite companies. Google. As a technology entrepreneur who is responsible for provisioning information to clients I have to advise that you should stay away as much as possible from Google. I remember when Microsoft proved what they were doing to people who use Gmail. They literally read every word of your email incoming or outgoing. They do this in so many ways in other products. I really don’t want to have to use them for anything.
But what has happened?
All of my company’s are going to them.
It started out with my TV manufacturer -Sony. They fully adopted goggle tv. I figured out a way to get around that by using a fake email account to log in with. But soon I learned that if I was going to see the video from the internet, that is going to be YouTube. And as my commercial television needs changed, I left DirecTV and had to switch to YouTube TV. It really was the only option.
Now my car manufacturer is doing the same thing.
We are being forced to give up our choices just so that these companies can make a bigger profit. In this one I am going to revolt and pick someone else. I have never believed in the apple car but now I am thinking that they should bring it on!!
But what has happened?
All of my company’s are going to them.
It started out with my TV manufacturer -Sony. They fully adopted goggle tv. I figured out a way to get around that by using a fake email account to log in with. But soon I learned that if I was going to see the video from the internet, that is going to be YouTube. And as my commercial television needs changed, I left DirecTV and had to switch to YouTube TV. It really was the only option.
Now my car manufacturer is doing the same thing.
We are being forced to give up our choices just so that these companies can make a bigger profit. In this one I am going to revolt and pick someone else. I have never believed in the apple car but now I am thinking that they should bring it on!!
So my 2018 F150 didn't come with Apple Car Play but it did allow to override its system when the phone was plugged in. Works great and has been rock solid. Even works well with HomeKit features.
Surely GM aren't going to block that ability to override? Major mistake. Curious how they came to this decision based on the responses in this thread alone.
Surely GM aren't going to block that ability to override? Major mistake. Curious how they came to this decision based on the responses in this thread alone.
Oh so they price the infotainment system as a deterrent. got it.
Translation: Google will share more user data willingly with GM, so they can bilk their users for even.more.money charging subscription fees for everything (and likely inject multiple advertisements & "suggestions" into).
Yep last GM was 2005 Escalade - haven’t sniffed a GM vehicle since.I stopped buying gm cars when Gmac went bankrupt and ally refused to give me a loan even though they saw I had 15 years of credit with Gmac.
Went to kia and got a soul and never looked back.
Since the new system is going to be made along with Google, it probably won't drive many Android users away. Though I'd love to find out how many Android users have the luxury of basing their choice on a car purchase over the infotainment system. From my personal experience, less financially stable people or PC enthusiasts tend to have Android in the US. That doesn't scream new GM car buyers to me. iPhone users are probably a big chunk of their customer base.
Also, the fact that this change is based on pushing subscription services needs to be the headline. Social-media this move to death. Everyone should push that other car makers don't follow their lead.
Also, the fact that this change is based on pushing subscription services needs to be the headline. Social-media this move to death. Everyone should push that other car makers don't follow their lead.
GM has been the #3 or at worst #4 OEM worldwide for many many years, but mostly #3, it only lost out to Stelantis (#4) last year by about 200K cars sold, it will most likely move back to #4 or maybe #3 in 2023.
Any OEM getting to #2, or #1 is probably not going to happen for anyone for ~ 5 years till MAYBE Tesla or possibly Hyundai/Kia overtakes VW or Toyota with overall EV/BEV/PHEV and some legacy models.
So yeah, GM is still around and selling LOTS of cars and trucks.
You people have no idea that Carplay & Wireless CarPlay sucks.
The actual best option is to connect with bluetooth and use a powered MagSafe mount on the dash. It's really perfect, because you can then use the touch-screen on the iPhone directly without being forced to go through any crappy car manufacturers touch screen that you would with CarPlay.
Let's get rid of CarPlay and let's put the phone on a charging MagSafe dash mount.
The actual best option is to connect with bluetooth and use a powered MagSafe mount on the dash. It's really perfect, because you can then use the touch-screen on the iPhone directly without being forced to go through any crappy car manufacturers touch screen that you would with CarPlay.
Let's get rid of CarPlay and let's put the phone on a charging MagSafe dash mount.
Sorry to hear you had that experience
My last car had wireless CarPlay and it worked flawlessly in 2018
I have no interest in an EV at this point. Heat waves and cold snaps have pushed our power grids to near failure multiple times in recent years and that's with a tiny percentage of cars being EVs. If every vehicle is an EV, where will the energy to charge them come from? We'll need to build a lot of new power plants.
My next vehicle will definitely be gas powered. I drove a Chevy Tahoe for 12 years and got just under 300K miles out of it with only routine maintenance before the transmission went out, so I don't get the GM hate. I considered fixing it, but at that point I felt like I'd gotten my money's worth. I will likely get another Chevy.
I couldn't care less if my next car has CarPlay. CarPlay is trash. The UI/UX sucks. I've tried it in numerous vehicles and it's just awful. Some car companies have better touch screens than others, but even the good screens are nowhere near as good as Apple's iPhone or iPad multitouch. The CarPlay interface is clunky and awkward. Everything is much faster on the phone, or an iPad Mini, which is what I use instead of CarPlay in the car.
My next vehicle will definitely be gas powered. I drove a Chevy Tahoe for 12 years and got just under 300K miles out of it with only routine maintenance before the transmission went out, so I don't get the GM hate. I considered fixing it, but at that point I felt like I'd gotten my money's worth. I will likely get another Chevy.
I couldn't care less if my next car has CarPlay. CarPlay is trash. The UI/UX sucks. I've tried it in numerous vehicles and it's just awful. Some car companies have better touch screens than others, but even the good screens are nowhere near as good as Apple's iPhone or iPad multitouch. The CarPlay interface is clunky and awkward. Everything is much faster on the phone, or an iPad Mini, which is what I use instead of CarPlay in the car.
We buy technology in vehicles that cause distracted driving and then we buy more technology in vehicles to inform us we are not paying attention. All the while complaining about the cost of said vehicles.
Carplay (and Android Auto) were one of the top things on my list when car shopping last year, I have a feeling those features are very popular seeing how in love consumers are with their phones as an extension of themselves. I don't think this is going to go well for GM.