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Germany Now Favors Apple-Google Contact Tracing API Over Home-Grown Solution
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If you feel that way, make your case. Look at Apple/Google's spec and point out flaws.
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So, in a nut, verification is required, but Apple/Google don't mandate a particular form. Still, that should be enough to prevent the casual troll scenario.
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"Bob [...] enters the test result..."
It is written right there in the grafic
Yes, but "the test result" isn't just a button, but rather a verified document.
This literally isn't surveillance. This is completely anonymous, not tracked, and doesn't use any location data. It's all right here if you're interested in facts.
Privacy-Preserving Contact Tracing - Apple and Google
Contact Tracing makes it possible to combat the spread of the COVID-19 virus.
Next time you make a single-issue account on a forum and post for the first time, do some research and present some facts instead of making a vague emotional appeal to fear.
This literally isn't surveillance. This is completely anonymous, not tracked, and doesn't use any location data. It's all right here if you're interested in facts.
Privacy-Preserving Contact Tracing - Apple and Google
Contact Tracing makes it possible to combat the spread of the COVID-19 virus.www.apple.com
Next time you make a single-issue account on a forum and post for the first time, do some research and present some facts instead of making a vague emotional appeal to fear.
If your device has a unique key then its not anonymous..... Just not how technology works. It doesn't use any location data but if you exchange keys with Sally who has Facebook friends near me turned on she is broadcasting her location.
It all boils down to trust.
Do we trust these companies?
Do we trust that the spec accurately reflects what will be implemented, or will they accidentally (like "e.g. uber") end up retaining data/keys that they were not supposed to?
Do we trust that their implementations won't be vulnerable to attack?
Based on history, I think this is a beta project from them to test out their technology in the name of helping us. The only one being helped is them. There was a time when I trusted these companies, but not anymore.
Do we trust these companies?
Do we trust that the spec accurately reflects what will be implemented, or will they accidentally (like "e.g. uber") end up retaining data/keys that they were not supposed to?
Do we trust that their implementations won't be vulnerable to attack?
Based on history, I think this is a beta project from them to test out their technology in the name of helping us. The only one being helped is them. There was a time when I trusted these companies, but not anymore.
The flaw is in the precedence, not the tech. The app usage itself is benign (for now) but what follows will be more invasive. And what follows that will be even more so. Eventually, we find ourselves following orders and doing things that just a couple generations ago, good people laid down their lives to protect against.
Are you saying such a thing couldn't happen? That it's all just make believe?
The one constant throughout human history is death and destruction by those in power. Whether it's taking lives or taking freedoms, people in power always want more power and they are inventing new ways to get it. Democracy is not immune to corruption.
Of course it could happen.
Yes, but you have to draw a fairly long line from "API that doesn't even collect any PII" to "democracy is not immune to corruption".
Google and Apple have some pretty smart people working for them. Pretty sure they can come up with ways to help with the pandemic that do not involve placing any code on my phone. They're just lazy and greedy and are trying to spin this one so it's easy for the public to swallow.
This method is not for accurate prediction, but for “possible contact notification”, so that whoever getting the notification can ask for a COVID-19 testing. It will help identifying contracted person in early stages and reducing their infection chain afterwards.
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A Forum is as good as it allows different views.
Facts? OMG. Wake up.
Data is the new gold.
I would rather switch to XPERIA and sailfish OS
than allowing Goldman Sachs allies to implement the Samaritan on my phone.
Of course the Data Economy hates the GDPR / DSGVO.
Why do you trust companies that don't give a **** about paying fair tax?
And do not dare to discuss this before you read & understood your Chomsky, or at least watch the recent documentary.
BTW: Do you know how many Hidden Financial Markets opened using high speed trading computers during 2019?
None of us is really system-relevant in the end.
Only the System itself is relevant and it seems like terror to most of us and our planet.
You raise the question if you are paid by someone in order to post your Little Propaganda.
Sooner or later we are all Covid-19-infected, an app will not help to avoid that.
In Fact: Eucalyptus protects you way better.
BTW: Can we reform capitalism now? And does Jeff B. like the idea?
This literally isn't surveillance. This is completely anonymous, not tracked, and doesn't use any location data. It's all right here if you're interested in facts.
Privacy-Preserving Contact Tracing - Apple and Google
Contact Tracing makes it possible to combat the spread of the COVID-19 virus.
Next time you make a single-issue account on a forum and post for the first time, do some research and present some facts instead of making a vague emotional appeal to fear.
A Forum is as good as it allows different views.
Facts? OMG. Wake up.
Data is the new gold.
I would rather switch to XPERIA and sailfish OS
than allowing Goldman Sachs allies to implement the Samaritan on my phone.
Of course the Data Economy hates the GDPR / DSGVO.
Why do you trust companies that don't give a **** about paying fair tax?
And do not dare to discuss this before you read & understood your Chomsky, or at least watch the recent documentary.
BTW: Do you know how many Hidden Financial Markets opened using high speed trading computers during 2019?
None of us is really system-relevant in the end.
Only the System itself is relevant and it seems like terror to most of us and our planet.
You raise the question if you are paid by someone in order to post your Little Propaganda.
Sooner or later we are all Covid-19-infected, an app will not help to avoid that.
In Fact: Eucalyptus protects you way better.
BTW: Can we reform capitalism now? And does Jeff B. like the idea?
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It doesn't matter how long the line is if everything connects together in a predictable fashion. I've been watching the rise of fear since 9/11 up to the present day where people no longer question bizarre behavior in the name of safety. If that trend continues, I would put good money on that future becoming a reality. We can change that future through vigilance and that's what I'm hoping will happen.
How about starting with software, services and (governmental) behavior that is proven to track you, spy on you and invade your privacy instead of this API, which is as privacy respecting as possible?
I have a problem with all of that too but this thread is pretty loaded as it is.
Just because someone is violating my privacy without my permission doesn't mean that I give someone else permission to do so. Doesn't matter how they spin this one, I'm not falling for it.
Seriously, there are some super smart people working at these companies. If they were really intent on helping, they would do so without requiring code on my phone. The pretty spec they have put out is because they knew there was going to be pushback and they wanted to make it easy for the public to swallow. Regardless of how it starts out, it will "evolve" in a bad direction over time, because they will discover that they can help us even more by doing so.
Again, would you be so kind to point out where exactly your privacy is invaded (with or without your consent) in this specific case?
This spec is written by people a lot smarter than I am, so there's no way for me to figure that out by reading the spec. Based on history, I don't trust these guys. They have smart people. They can figure out ways to help that don't involve placing code on my phone.
So you don’t have a clue but you suspect the worst. Got it. Great debate.
Best to give up on these computers then I guess.
See, that's why you should read the article you're commenting on. It's detailed very clearly in there (with pictures!) how this works.
But, alas, instead you chose to spread FUD.
Yes it does, because now you've given yourself carte blanche to call anything just barely short of fascism.
The way I see it, there were two problems with the 9/11 response:
- it was quite disproportionate.
- it was ostensibly temporary, but keeps getting extended.
What part of “I don’t trust these guys because of their history” are you having trouble understanding?
No means no.
I have nothing more to say now.