I have trouble understanding how you can insist on this violating your privacy when you confess that you don't understand how it works a few posts later.
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Germany Now Favors Apple-Google Contact Tracing API Over Home-Grown Solution
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Nobody can access that unique key unless their phone is hacked, and even then it's just a string of characters that at most can identify if the key is connected to someone who is COVID positive or not- that's it. No other identifying information at all.
Sally broadcasting her location has nothing to do with identifying you. At most, if Sally's phone was hacked, someone might be able to find that a device with that key was near Sally- again, nothing would tie that key to you as an individual unless your phone was also hacked.
In both situations, there is way, way more useful information on a hacked phone than identifier keys. This contact tracing thing adds no value to anyone looking to siphon data from peoples' phones.
I'm not extrapolating random nonsense here. This kind of thing, controlled by these kinds of people (corps and govt), under these conditions (fear and loathing) creates a future that's not good for anybody except those in power. There's historical precedent for this exact scenario, such as 9/11 like I said.
This will be the exact outcome of covid-19, which is my entire point. Surveillance and control doesn't get rolled back, it only gets more pervasive. What starts out as an emergency virus tracker turns into a general populace tracker under the guise of something people would want, like safety.
I'm inclined to use common sense and caution rather than give up liberty in exchange for security.
It could change every minute something has to be able to tie the identifier back to the device. There has to be a record somewhere.
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Somehow the identifier has to go back to the device. Doesn't matter if the key rotates every minute it has to go back to the device. You're trusting that the system that handles that is secure.
Seems like you too didn't read the article or the spec. The record for your keys is on your phone - nowhere else. That's the whole point of this API.
just look at Sweden, there should be a wikipedia page
not only the elderly are at risk
and ..you know everybody has it's own truth
but people tend to belief what is permanently repeated
I am aware that they do things a little less strict than their neighbours. However more than 2000 dead in a population of 10 million give or take is hardly a success story.
It also helps that Sweden is much better educated than some of the places where the virus caused the most deaths and people are at least in my experience more likely to follow advice from their health system officials.
Again, their records are nothing to shout home about and are not transferable to any random other nation.
Yes. I have an Apple Watch and I frequently wear one or both PowerBeats Pros while I am out out and about.
This is stupid and google and apple are just trying to make money off of the virus. It is so contagious you are never going to avoid contact with it once people actually start leaving their houses again, but the good news is according to all of the data coming in not only is it not all that deadly (about like a bad flu season), but the majority of people have no or only mild symptoms. We are making the problem worse by destroying the economy and lowering our immunity with all of the distancing. Great news is by fall people will have to go back to work and their immune systems will be compromised from sitting in their houses for six months -- just in time for flu and cold season, and covid season. This has been the worst social experiment in the history of the modern world, and our grandkids will still be paying for it... Kudos to woke Apple, who pulls apps at the request of the Chinese government because they aid totalitarian resistance, and Apple who loves to push updates that make older hardware useless so that it can end up in landfills, for continuing to find ways to invade our privacy and profit on covid at the same time.. Btw, if we care so much about every human life, why don't we lower all speed limits to 10mph, because that would save a bunch of lives every year. Also, sheltering in place during regular flu season every year would save lives too, so what about that?
1.35 million car wreck deaths a year: https://policyadvice.net/car-insurance/insights/how-many-people-die-in-car-accidents/
646,000 flu deaths each year: https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=208914
1.35 million car wreck deaths a year: https://policyadvice.net/car-insurance/insights/how-many-people-die-in-car-accidents/
646,000 flu deaths each year: https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=208914
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NO the swedish records are very promising - they probably achieve "herd immunity" in May 2020 -- problem gone !
It’s a worldwide pandemic, the problem is not going to be gone. Sigh.
Over 2000 dead is nothing of an achievement.
And again that approach cannot be extended to those who want to drink bleach. Simple matter of education that is in place in Sweden with very abiding citizens and a small scale but not elsewhere. I wish it were different.
Here is an hour long press conference held by 2 medical doctors who co-own a chain of 7 urgent care facilities in California. They talk about doctors being pressured to add COVID-19 to the death reports they write and they talk about the difference between someone dying FROM COVID vs someone dying WITH COVID (many of the deaths are from people with serious pre-existing conditions). Both of these doctors also talk about the risks of "sheltering at home" including the spikes in suicide rate, domestic abuse, alcoholism, and child abuse along with people compromising their immune systems by staying home and constantly using hand sanitizer and disinfecting wipes. Between them these doctors have 40 years of virology / immunology experience and they both say it is time to end the shut down.
I don't see what's "promising" about Sweden's death rate.
I also don't see what makes you believe that there is herd immunity against this virus, when it's actually unclear so far if people get immune at all. (There appear to be have been cases where they get infected yet again.)
Also… "problem gone"? Really? Not for at least another year. Problem reduced, at best.
This press conference is both sobering and enlightening. Liberate indeed.
How many influenza deaths there in the bad flu season a few years ago? 150K flu deaths in Europe across 4 months 2017 - 2018. Were you calling for European lockdowns back then?
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It's really not that hard, is it? It's simply the relation between deaths from COVID-19 and the size of the population.
It won't - but the idea is that you get tested or make sure you aren't infected - and that's a better/safer option that just ignoring those situations where you MIGHT have been in direct contact with an infected person.
No solution is 100% accurate, but it's better to err on the side of caution.
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Nah, if you're wrong we're potentially looking at millions more dead globally or further economic catastrophe because people aren't able to come out of lockdown without spreading this further and it getting way out of control.
There's a difference.
If you really are paranoid and want to get rid of this post COVID19? Delete the app. If you're really paranoid, ditch the phone and get another one.
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You'd think people who are supposedly all about caring about their privacy would BOTHER TO READ THE SPEC to rage out in an informed and coherent manner.
Rather than just... you know... "GUBBERMINT BADDD"
The Aussie version should have full source code released shortly as well.
Plus:
If you're really worried about this stuff - get rid of your phone. The government can already triangulate your location in real time using cell towers (or iCloud, or any of a number of other methods). So EVEN IF THIS DID track and upload your location at all times, it isn't any information they couldn't ALREADY GET if they wanted to.
Raging out about this and owning a mobile phone that continually broadcasts your location via cell tower triangulation is just showing your ignorance about how these things work and what the government already has.
The only difference here is that you can get some notification of a hazardous situation - if you have been at risk of covid19 infection.
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