The world certainly is a terrible place, but don't you think it's a little melodramatic to use that phrase to describe the release of a new Operating System?
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Gizmodo: negative review of Lion... thoughts?
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The world certainly is a terrible place, but don't you think it's a little melodramatic to use that phrase to describe the release of a new Operating System?
The only solution I can think of right now is image blasting all new hardware to Snow Leopard. I will be exploring every possible chance to do so. (Crybaby users aside.)
We did 10.5 and 10.6. The end is coming again on schedule.
I don't understand, it's okay lion stinks since it is "only" €23? Of course the price is awesome and 10% of win7 but hey this isn't the 0 features SL release but the best thing since sliced bread 250 features (well 249 since they forgot full screen chess) lion release.
Well between the 0 or the 250 feature releases i'd choose the the former every day of the week and twice on sunday. Or they could have charged me €79 and build an "ultimate" edition of lion (pun intended) over this starter edition.
OSX isn't iOS nor should it be, no matter the price. Heck iOS releases for my iphone an ipad are always free, why even charge €23 for lion?
My take on it is that it had a lot to do with the very similarly timed release of Office 2007, which is what really shifted the paradigm and I believe confused thousands of users, and just got bundled under "we hate Vista" as they didn't know any better. Personally the time I spent running Vista in Boot Camp I thought it was a fantastic OS, and started spending more time in it than I was in SL (or maybe it was Leopard back then).
That isn't true of Windows 7, in a lot of ways I preferred Vista, so I'm actually hopeful that Lion will be OS X's Vista
, just as long as it isn't the ME, although I never used that Windows and would probably have quite liked it!
For the most part the negative criticism echoed in the review are valid imo. Will Lion be a failure no.
Did Lion fail to deliver on a consistent UI that works well with applications instead of the iPad - Yes.
Do many people here love 10.7 - yes based on this forum
I know I may be the lone voice in the wilderness on this topic, and that's fine. I expect my post to be voted into the stone age as well
Did Lion fail to deliver on a consistent UI that works well with applications instead of the iPad - Yes.
Do many people here love 10.7 - yes based on this forum
I know I may be the lone voice in the wilderness on this topic, and that's fine. I expect my post to be voted into the stone age as well
And what's forcing you to go to threads where you know there will be opinions that differ from yours? You're "trying" to prove your intelligence by putting down people but you're relying on a tired and cliché argument. If course "If you don't like it then don't use it" is a logical short term solution, but in the long run then the direction and decisions of the company you support with your paychecks can't be ignored by saying, "I refuse to move to 2.0".So stay away from threads where people are actually enjoying their OS and you can be the grumpy gus you want be.
Just for the record, what exactly is forcing you to be an early adopter (as we all know each point upgrade after release will bring significant changes, as all versions of OSX do) of Lion?
Thus is a discussion board and discussions can't be made if everyone holds the same opinion. But if it makes anyone feel better then just thumbs down me.
Just occurred to me that the obvious comparison isn't with Windows 7 or even 8 but with Ubuntu 11.04 w/ the Unity interface. Unity was there first with 'innovations' like true full-screen apps, disappearing scroll bars, an 'app store' (albeit nowhere near as slick as Apples), a grid-view app launcher, etc...
The Ubuntu folks have also apparently put a lot of work into touch and gestures recently but I don't have the hardware to test it out.
see: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/...-narwhal-ars-reviews-unity-in-ubuntu-1104.ars
Unfortunately they lack the control over the toolkit and apps Apple has so as slick as Unity is it's still something of a 'hack' layered over a traditional desktop metaphor.
The Ubuntu folks have also apparently put a lot of work into touch and gestures recently but I don't have the hardware to test it out.
see: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/...-narwhal-ars-reviews-unity-in-ubuntu-1104.ars
Unfortunately they lack the control over the toolkit and apps Apple has so as slick as Unity is it's still something of a 'hack' layered over a traditional desktop metaphor.
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The only Mac OS review I ever bother reading is the one done John Siracusa at Ars Technica. That guy knows his stuff. He can be a egotistical prick at times, but I've always found his reviews intelligent, all-encompassing and objective.
See here:
Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard: the Ars Technica Review
Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard: the Ars Technica Review
Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger: the Ars Technica Review
These are reviews, not knee-jerk reactions to something before it's even released.
See here:
Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard: the Ars Technica Review
Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard: the Ars Technica Review
Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger: the Ars Technica Review
These are reviews, not knee-jerk reactions to something before it's even released.
Video drivers and hardware acceleration is where 11.04 started choking for me over 10.10. Then again I should be using an older nVidia video card to begin with. I do agree with your comparisons.
Uh, your last part explains exactly why I'm here, to express my opinion and discuss with others. I'm not "trying to prove" anything here, its the friggin internet man.
I like debate, thats why I frequent this website mostly in the PRSI section. Because of this, I like to point out flaws in logic when they come up, or weak rhetorics with nothing to back them up. If you've read the thread you've seen my own criticisms of Lion, I just don't appreciate people chiming in empty words and then failing to back them up with substance, though it is fully within their right to do so.
I have every right to ask questions and post my POV just as everyone else here does, they can choose not to engage with me as well. That is the point of a discussion board, as you've already pointed out. This begs the question, why have you posted as if I somehow wanted everyone to hold the same opinion? We both have the same understanding of what a discussion board is, why do you feel the need to act as if my participation in exactly that established understanding is somehow not in line with it?
Edit: I (jokingly) told that member to stay away from those specific posts because he was the one stating that those where what ruins the world for him. Did you read the post I responded to?
This is just another hatchet job on an Apple product coming from the checkbook-"journalism" hacks at Gizmodo. I was struck by just how much this writer apparently wanted to utterly destroy anyone's understanding of Lion. Not once did he even mention the four-finger pinch motion to invoke Launch Pad. I agree that some of the swiping gestures are inconsistent - using a different number of fingers, for example, to execute the same basic action. Still, it read as if Apple was still pissing in their Wheaties over the purchase of the stolen iPhone 4 thing.
As another poster pointed out, it really sounds as if the writer is afraid of change. Not all change is good, of course, but the changes in Lion are nowhere near as severe as he makes it out to be.
That being said, there are a few things I don't particularly like about Lion. You can't give a custom name to desktops (ie., they either use the name of the full-screen app or are simply Desktop 1, Desktop 2, etc...). You also can't assign apps to specific desktops. I used to put Xcode in one space, Photoshop and associated Finder and other windows in another space, etc... I don't know of an easy way to do that now. The two-finger back and forth swiping gesture apparently doesn't work in Finder. I am forced to use the back and forth arrows (in the top left-hand corner) instead. I am very used to the three-finger swipe of Snow Leopard and am a bit miffed that Apple saw fit to not include that in Lion, unless I'm "not gesturing right."
There are a lot of good things in Lion, however. Safari, thanks to the javascript improvements, is remarkedly faster. In fact, the whole OS seems to be quite fast. Even though I performed a complete install of Snow Leopard, along with all the apps I wanted to test, followed up with an upgrade to Lion, everything performs much better than on Snow Leopard. The only apps I have that don't run under Lion are Geektool, Quicksilver, Icns2Rcsc, and iStat Menus (I run version 2.0). Icns2Rcsc is a PPC app, so it can't run without Rosetta (I still have a late-2006 iMac that can run it), and I'll either have to pony up the money for iStat Menus 3.0 and wait for the developers of Quicksilver and Geektool to release their Lion-ready versions or simply do without.
I agree with another poster who pointed the possibility, nee probability, that we will look back in a couple of years and say "Yeah, that's what they (Apple) were trying to do with Lion." We are in a transition period and only Apple knows their vision for the future of OS X. I also agree with the poster that pointed out the futility of bitching about a product yet to be released.
All in all, it is my opinion (only important to myself) that Lion is a nice upgrade from Snow Leopard, and is actually a bigger leap than that of Leopard to Snow Leopard. I think it will be warmly received, once users get their hands on it and actually use it.
As another poster pointed out, it really sounds as if the writer is afraid of change. Not all change is good, of course, but the changes in Lion are nowhere near as severe as he makes it out to be.
That being said, there are a few things I don't particularly like about Lion. You can't give a custom name to desktops (ie., they either use the name of the full-screen app or are simply Desktop 1, Desktop 2, etc...). You also can't assign apps to specific desktops. I used to put Xcode in one space, Photoshop and associated Finder and other windows in another space, etc... I don't know of an easy way to do that now. The two-finger back and forth swiping gesture apparently doesn't work in Finder. I am forced to use the back and forth arrows (in the top left-hand corner) instead. I am very used to the three-finger swipe of Snow Leopard and am a bit miffed that Apple saw fit to not include that in Lion, unless I'm "not gesturing right."
There are a lot of good things in Lion, however. Safari, thanks to the javascript improvements, is remarkedly faster. In fact, the whole OS seems to be quite fast. Even though I performed a complete install of Snow Leopard, along with all the apps I wanted to test, followed up with an upgrade to Lion, everything performs much better than on Snow Leopard. The only apps I have that don't run under Lion are Geektool, Quicksilver, Icns2Rcsc, and iStat Menus (I run version 2.0). Icns2Rcsc is a PPC app, so it can't run without Rosetta (I still have a late-2006 iMac that can run it), and I'll either have to pony up the money for iStat Menus 3.0 and wait for the developers of Quicksilver and Geektool to release their Lion-ready versions or simply do without.
I agree with another poster who pointed the possibility, nee probability, that we will look back in a couple of years and say "Yeah, that's what they (Apple) were trying to do with Lion." We are in a transition period and only Apple knows their vision for the future of OS X. I also agree with the poster that pointed out the futility of bitching about a product yet to be released.
All in all, it is my opinion (only important to myself
) that Lion is a nice upgrade from Snow Leopard, and is actually a bigger leap than that of Leopard to Snow Leopard. I think it will be warmly received, once users get their hands on it and actually use it.
Yeah, sometimes I stumble in when Forum Spy goes awry. Scary!As is fully your right, it gets crazy in there sometimes
My biggest issue is that once Lion is out, Snow Leopard stops existing on new hardware. (Nothing new here, we know the pattern. Apple is also appears to be holding hardware updates until Lion is out.)
"Everyone else is going to ruin it for me."
It makes my job a lot more annoying. Then again I get paid to do this and I am the only person that does it around here. Such is life. That and dealing with people that fail to grasp the alphabet or how do I get on the internet? Lion licensing is not my job to deal with.
I know little about Lion itself given that I have not used it. I have more important concerns than a misinformed opinion. Do not ask me why they do not just pay up for a Developer Account either. I am not paying for it.
@ the underlined: I hear that brother, I worked the help desk for two years at my previous college. You'd be amazed just how mind numbingly tech-illiterate older and even this generation can be. I can't tell you how many professors I had to explain to that a monitor is not the computer.
Them: "Well my computer was working great this morning, then the black box under the desk was making some noise so I unplugged it, do you think that has anything to do with why my computer refuses to turn on now?"
Me: "GAHSDOAAHFDAFL AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" *head explodes*
I hope that no one here gets the impression that any of my comments have much actual emotion or care invested in them, this is the internetz, we can all be friends even if we disagree.
...actually thinking about Ubuntu, one great feature Apple *NEEDS* to implement is super-key navigation for the Dock. In Ubuntu when you hold down the Super (Command/Windows) key the Unity dock pops up and all items display a keyboard shortcut. Best mouse-less app switching scheme I've ever used. The same could be done for Mission Control (unfortunately Unity doesn't do this in 'Expose' mode)
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I don't get it. Of course Lion has bugs, but set those aside (which eventually will be fixed, sooner rather than later) and you have a great OS. It's being simplified. I honestly don't get why people don't like Mission Control. The guy at gizmodo keeps saying that the dashboard and desktops at the top of mission control are confusing and cluttering. What's wrong with this guy. I'm no fanboy and I think this guy is crazy. Lion is really nice, it's further simplifying computing. Windows 8 is going to be much more confusing because its like having 2 operating systems in one. In my opinion Microsoft is taking a step in the wrong direction, and Apple is taking a step in the right direction. Apple already has a very successful tablet strategy, Microsoft is just beginning to show theirs. Lion is not meant to be on tablets like Windows 8, it's meant to unify desktop computing and tablet computing into one, which it does very well.
Oh wow, tell me how to do that in Windows 7. I hate having to memorize how many icons from the Start Menu my pinned applications are. I could spend that valuable space on something else.
Of course Apple may be heading to keyboard-less tablet Macs so this may be a moot point.
Windows-R name of program doesn't do it for you?
I do the same thing with Spotlight.B
Windows + # launches the pinned application. I suspect you already know that one though.Windows-R name of program doesn't do it for you?
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I use Quicksilver in OS X. The Start Menu search works just fine for anything not pinned in my taskbar.
I will completely agree with Gizmodo this time.
using Lion os GM is horrible on 2008 MBP, there are still bugs in GM build.
using Lion os GM is horrible on 2008 MBP, there are still bugs in GM build.
I used to be addicted to Quicksilver but it's been superseded by Spotlight IMHO.
re: Apple 'deprecating' the keyboard, OSX is still remarkably shortcut friendly: moreso than Windows or Linux by and large. Mission Control is the big exception IMHO: in terms of mouse-free interactivity it's a step back from Expose/Spaces.
re: Apple 'deprecating' the keyboard, OSX is still remarkably shortcut friendly: moreso than Windows or Linux by and large. Mission Control is the big exception IMHO: in terms of mouse-free interactivity it's a step back from Expose/Spaces.
Lion is a huge improvement to Snow Leopard. It added many features that I will use but without sacrificing speed (heck, it's even faster at some areas). After one week of using Lion, going back to Snow Leopard seems very awkward. I haven't encountered any bugs, but incompatible apps, I have. Candybar 3.2 didn't work in Lion (App works but you couldn't change the dock or icons) but it was quickly updated for Lion. For my critical PowerPC apps I got an old PowerBook myself for those apps.
For $30 Lion has more value compared to Snow Leopard IMO.
For $30 Lion has more value compared to Snow Leopard IMO.
I don't get how Lion seems so slow to people. I have been running it on a 2010 1.6GHz MBA, which I'm pretty sure is technically the slowest computer Apple has sold in the last 2 or 3 years, and it has been perfectly snappy. I guess the SSD helps, but surely not that much.
I like OS X enough to say that windows annoys me and now Im forced to say Mac annoys me too...
After reading this bad review I might even try going back to SL...
I think its not right to give up on a new operating system before it even comes out. I guess we'll see what apple will bring us in response or will they stick to their "lion is amazing" point of view.
After reading this bad review I might even try going back to SL...
I think its not right to give up on a new operating system before it even comes out. I guess we'll see what apple will bring us in response or will they stick to their "lion is amazing" point of view.