This is the reason they want to exclude CarPlay. They want to force people into their subscription plan. Fortunately, I believe they will walk this back as it has become an issue with the recent Colorado / Canyon release. They are pricing in 3 years of service on the sticker of the GMC but not on the Chevy. From what I have read on general truck forums, you can request a reimbursement for the GMC after purchase.
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This is the reason they want to exclude CarPlay. They want to force people into their subscription plan. Fortunately, I believe they will walk this back as it has become an issue with the recent Colorado / Canyon release. They are pricing in 3 years of service on the sticker of the GMC but not on the Chevy. From what I have read on general truck forums, you can request a reimbursement for the GMC after purchase.
I don't believe subscriptions are going to be walked back at all. Many of the makers are embracing it, from the luxury models like BMW to the affordable models like Chevy.
I own a 2021 Chevy Colorado, great truck, but even that has a subscription - if I want the ability to start my truck via the phone app - well that's a sub. I can still start it using my keys w/o the sub, but you get what I'm saying
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Tesla was first to the market with a mass produced EV and it was fairly successfully marketing itself as a cool startup very much unlike the boring traditional car companies, headed by a genius visionary. Love it or hate it, there was no real competition to their product and they captured the imagination of high-paid tech bros and developed cult-like following.
Now, there's competition, many of Tesla's promises have turned sour, their ****** build quality is getting harder and harder to hide, and Elon has very spectacularly destroyed his personal image almost overnight, taking some of Tesla brand appeal with him.
So, "we don't offer CarPlay, take it or leave it" may no longer be a safe bet on their part.
And this would be one more step toward Chinese imports flooding the US market, once they mature enough. They are already offering a ton of bells and whistles that most US cars don't have, like a constantly-on 360 degree vehicle view.
The automotive market is fiercely competitive, and any manufacturer that forgets about it is bound to have their asses handed to them.
And Chevy is no BMW. Which they are already finding out.
Mary Barra, GM CEO, says they expect to generate $20B in annual subscription revenues within 10 years. This is the driving force for them not supporting CarPlay or Android auto. So a future GM owner will be paying $50-$100 per month to drive they’re paid for car. Yeah right.
I find it hard to believe the Chinese cars are going to flood the US market and time soon (ie within the next few decades). Americans are pretty fed up with Chinese goods.
The bigger and bigger the screens get in cars (incl Tesla), the more my preference to buy a car that does not have one at all.
Eh? Even "new" Carplay sits above the car OS stack. Carplay has nothing to do with Android Auto, that's up to the car manufacturer.
And can then be replaced, presumably relatively easily. I've had buttons and indicators go out on my button-cars. Any time the dash has to come off it goes into what I would call "expensive" territory. Yes, sometimes you can replace them without a dash removal, but sometimes not.
What notifications?
Use the Driving Focus with CarPlay
The Driving Focus helps you stay focused on the road. While your iPhone is connected to CarPlay and Driving Focus is on, notifications and text messages are silenced or limited.Car GPS usage is optional but recommended for wired Carplay, required for wireless Carplay:
Again, why are you pointing out "Again, Tesla's U.S. market share has dropped from around 78% in 2018 to 62% in 2022."?
Are you saying Tesla is doing bad in USA?
My new tundra has CarPlay and also like 10 things I can subscribe to that Toyota sells. So I believe you can do both.
Let's not make that sound like a chore for a one time activity. The login process for Apple Music on a Tesla consists of - select Apple Music -> Scan QR code with phone -> Face ID -> Click Allow. Done. It's supremely fast, easier to navigate than on a phone, and no loss of fidelity. And the general absurdity of ordering a pizza from your CarPlay aside... they're releasing APIs to develop apps for the system.
As an owner of a couple of newer GM vehicles and a Tesla, the one thing that GM has over Tesla is Carplay. Taking it out is foolish in the extreme.
While I'm not sure when "flooding the market" may happen, there have been some at least minor successes with China-built cars in the U.S.
The made-in-China Buick Envision is still doing fairly well with U.S. sales up over 150% so far this year, making it Buick's second bestselling model here right now.
Volvo and Polestar have also been selling China-built cars in the U.S.
Tesla is selling Chinese-built cars in Canada and it wouldn't be surprising to eventually see them also being sold here in the U.S.
Turning your product into a service is the dead end we’ve arrived to now that sufficient growth in potential customers is limited. Shrinking middle class in many countries, etc. The goal is not to pluck new customers but to be a blood sucker attached to your existing customer’s wallet. I got to think this ain’t going to cut it when the average new car sell is 50k or more now.
Market share declined... because the market itself grew. Again, if Tesla sold 90 cars last year but represented 100% of the market, then sold 99 this year and someone else sold 1... their market share fell to 99% while they as a company grew 10%, and the overall market grew 10%. These are separate tracks - one is important, the other... not at all in the current stage of the EV market. And I don't know what fantasy world it is where their growth is less than the market... as in this world legacy automakers have a flat line of growth, while Tesla grew 62.7% 21-22 and 83% to this stage of 23... that's on the sale of 466,000 vehicles. Sure, GM's growth in EVs went up 365%, but that's silly... because they delivered 36,000 cars. So they only sold 10,000 the year before. That's not more growth...
No, I never said that. My original comment on this subject was a disagreement with another's post that Tesla was "taking over." Just because I don't agree that Tesla is "taking over" (for reason's I've mentioned) doesn't necessarily mean I think they are doing bad.
I think it is inevitable that Tesla’s dominant position in EVs is taken from them by the traditional brands. I don’t buy arguments that they’ve got room to cut prices to compete down market from the premium/luxury brands. If they could have done it, they would’ve done it.
It is a very fandom “coach has a secret playbook for the big game” talk to say they’re avoiding the Corolla/Civic/Rav-4/CR-V competitor because nobody has forced them to do it. This ain’t anime. If Tesla could swamp the default car for the masses market before the legacy brands, they would’ve done it already.
They haven’t because nobody can make an affordable EV. Hell, legacy car manufacturers can’t even really make an affordable entry level vehicles with ICEs anymore.
I see Tesla as a company that spent their first mover advantage on a lifestyle truck for people whose lifestyle is primarily suburb-bound. They decided to compete against the full-sized market rather than go after the Tacoma.
This is a crucial mistake because I don’t think Tesla will beat the brand loyalty to the F-150 in the United States whereas Toyota took over the mid-sized market methodically over the 80s through the early 00s. It is a market that domestic truck manufacturers have not consistently prioritized and new entrants can flourish.
I’ve said it before that my long view on Tesla is that they’re known for luxury EVs and EV charging infrastructure. They will fail to supplant Ford or General Motors. They may end up being a genuine American luxury brand here and abroad though.
Of course but Tesla's market share decline (and other factors) hardly shows that Tesla is "taking over" which was the original comment I was replying to.
It's not "fantasy world" as the overall auto industry had been impacted by supply chain issues, chip shortages, etc. which significantly hurt sales but those sales have started to turn around this year at a pace greater than Tesla's sales growth in at least some markets.
the name doesn’t matter. But the UI is lame and outdated in 2023. All the wasted space of bubbles and gaps around bubbles.
The demoed "refreshed" carplay is a downgrade in many respects. What the current CarPlay UI lacks in chicness, it does tend towards high usability in its specific use context.
Tesla can "take over" with less than 78% EV marketshare. So I really don't know why you brought up declining from 78% as an argument. Tesla or any car manufacturer, no matter how dominant, is supposed to decline from 78% in any major market for an industry that's growing from 10-15%. They are not supposed to maintain or grow from 78% in a market long term. That's impossible.
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