Going back to Snow Leopard, Lion worst OS experience ever

[stratokaster]

Well, everyone will be forced to upgrade eventually. Given ARC and other niceties in the new Objective-C runtime, I expect to see a steady flow of Lion-only applications, and so far it seems that iCloud will also be Lion-only. And, just to honest, Lion is not really as bad as some make it to be.

 

[seong]

It will get better as time goes on. By the time 10.7.3~5 is out, every Mac user with compatible hardware will most likely have Lion installed. Now, it seems kind of buggy, but those are things to be sorted out, just like Tiger, Leopard, and Snow Leopard.

 

[Phil A.]

The one good thing about Lion is it's shown the moderate Apple users the crazy Apple zealots/fanboys that everyone has had to deal with for years.

It's never Apple's fault it's always yours somehow...don't you get it?

Yeah looks like there are many blinded fanboys. Some people have to do real work, not just browse facebook and email other people. Maybe I'm holding it wrong.

Why do you assume that people who aren't having problems are "blinded fanboys" or "crazy apple zealots"? I use my mac for real work 10-12 hours a day and haven't had any problems at all with Lion. I don't know why it works for me, but the fact is it does

 

[ZipZap]

Well if it wasn't ready for public release, then why did Apple release it?
All the beta testers seemed to miss that VNC was screwed, and also that wake on wifi doesn't work

To make money, why else?

You had to search to figure out a fairly localized problem you had with a less used feature of the system? And you solved it? How horrible!!

There are just so many issues that require a search to resolve. Does not sound too stable to me.

I totally agree. Being a professional user and developer, I'm not in any way impressed with Lion. In my opinion it's the worst piece of crap ever released from Apple.

There is one fundamental problem with these forums. As soon as anyone criticize Lion there will always be replies like "I have no problem", "There is no problems", "It's always bugs in new OS's, it's ok", "It was only $29.95, what do you expect", "I'm not feeling dumbed down", "You are just whining", "Steve Jobs does a great job", "If you don't like it, buy a PC", "It's not perfect, but it's called evolution", etc etc. It reminds me of Bagdad Bob's total denial of problems when the USA forces approached Bagdad in the beginning of the Iraq war. "There are no tanks noway near Bagdad - It's just propaganda from the infidels".

I mean, there must be a chance for constructive debate. If any criticism is written here, it's regarded as swearing in the Apple church where Steve is the pastor. The non-Lion followers are dismissed as infidels.

This makes me worried in a sense. If we together identify the bugs, anomalies, flaws, broken functionality and really discuss the fundamental problems surrounding Lion - and do so in a mature way - there might be a chance to make Apple listen and come up with solutions.

My standpoint is - after serious testing and compatibilty analysis - that Lion is not a commercial quality piece of software, that upon release was nowhere near primetime.

Well said and totally true. Thanks for telling it like it is!

I think it has to do with extremes. Statements like "it's Apple's Visa, Apple's failure, it's crap, etc don't sound like constructive criticism. It makes it sound like because one persons doesn't like it, all should follow. I think these extreme posts evoke a response to defend what another person likes.

Well these comments seem reasonable after hearing for sooooo long that Mac OS is so superior to Windows.

 

[Nixir]

Well these comments seem reasonable after hearing for sooooo long that Mac OS is so superior to Windows.

How about... Lion is Apple's Unbuntu 11.04 This way it's still better than Windows but worst of the bunch ahaha

I have nothing against Ubuntu, but I dislike Unity

 

[azazel-]

Please explain what is broken so I can try to experience it...I have had exactly 0 issues with Lion.....which makes it one of the best major OS releases I've dealt with to date!

How about the deluge of posts on the Apple support forums from people relating that Lion will hard-lock at the login screen on their Macbook Pros, unless automatic graphics switching is disabled? The graphics-switching crashes occurred for me quite frequently with SL 10.6.3 up to around 10.6.5, and it finally seemed Apple had the issues sorted out. Haven't had a graphics-related crash for months[/i]...until Lion was released. Now, it's happening all the time, unless hardware features are disabled. That certainly doesn't sound ready for prime-time to me.

Instead of starting another thread... here's a new issue on my CLEAN install of Lion...

Nonstop spinning beachball and freezing at the login screen when booting up. WTF?! Never had this issue on any release of OSX. Anyone else have this problem?

I let the first few incidences slide because I thought maybe it was just me or it was a whatever but now it's become somewhat chronic and happened 3 times today...

Thanks!

Disable 'Automatic Graphics Switching', or set the system to automatically log you in. Or, you can reinstall SL, like I'm about to do in a few minutes.

Your choice.

 

[KPOM]

I'm not blaming the people complaining, but why be an early upgrader then? Unless you just bought a new machine and don't really have a choice without downgrading.

I'm waiting until some of the bugs are ironed out.

I have a 2011 MacBook Air, so Snow Leopard is not an option for me. That said, the kind of issues I've noticed (taking a few seconds longer waking from sleep, or "forgetting" my Wi-Fi is a preferred connection) are more along the lines of minor annoyances than fatal flaws with Lion. Office 2011 has worked fine for me, and I even installed Office 2008 from a DVD to make sure that it would install OK (it did), since my mother prefers PowerPoint 2008 and I wanted to check before I gave her the green light to upgrade her 2009 MacBook Pro.

I think her experience has been fine, apart from the fact that she didn't like the new Mail. Once she changed it back, it's been fine, too.

I'm pretty confident Apple will fix this, but I am definitely concerned at the level of bugs here. Apple shouldn't have committed to a July release date, and probably should have just released the new Air and Mini with Snow Leopard two weeks earlier rather than rush Lion out the door before it was ready. Too many "switchers" having a "Vista" experience would be bad for Apple's future sales.

 

[steveOooo]

It's crap, some apps I need for video editing don't work / crash when opened... Back o 10.6.8 - a OSX That works

 

[Patrick J]

I’ve been happy with Lion. Updates .1 and .2 have made it a very nice operating system.

 

[jameslmoser]

We just got a $4k imac preinstalled with Lion 10.7.2. It has nothing but apple's software on it and it just locks up for no reason every couple of hours. Its brand new! We installed Windows 7 in boot camp and it runs fine all day.

The Lion is brain dead and bug infested.

 

[MythicFrost]

We just got a $4k imac preinstalled with Lion 10.7.2. It has nothing but apple's software on it and it just locks up for no reason every couple of hours. Its brand new! We installed Windows 7 in boot camp and it runs fine all day.

The Lion is brain dead and bug infested.

What do you mean "preinstalled"? If an upgrade has been done (which is automatic unless you wipe the first drive (and backup your data before that)) then that might be why. I did two clean installs for Lion and both are running flawlessly even on a 2010 13" MacBook Pro.

Doing a clean install might fix your problem.

 

[Macshroomer]

Having Lion hose my 3.33 Mac Pro to the point that it nuked a 2TB drive cost about 3 grand in down time. That said, I *might* go to Lion sometime next year, but with my laptop first. If that goes well, I will upgrade my main machine, but not until then.

But wow, out of all my colleagues who use Mac professionally, only 2 out of 16 who tried Lion out stuck with it.....it gets my vote for the worst OS on release in a long, long time.

 

[jameslmoser]

What do you mean "preinstalled"? If an upgrade has been done (which is automatic unless you wipe the first drive (and backup your data before that)) then that might be why. I did two clean installs for Lion and both are running flawlessly even on a 2010 13" MacBook Pro.

Doing a clean install might fix your problem.

I mean the FedEx guy dropped it off, we opened it up, and it had Lion (10.7.2) already installed... can't do much more of a clean install. Have called support over and over and over again and all they do is clean the cache, reset PRAM, same old crap. It just completely freezes up... first one app becomes non-responsive, then you try to change to another app, then it stops responding and before you know it nothing responds and you just get a spinning beach ball. We have had so many macs and have been with apple since 10.2... this is the worst excuse of an "upgrade" ever, and coming from apple ("it just works") is a joke.

And no its not a hardware issue... we installed windows in bootcamp partition and it runs just fine for days.

 

[Simplicated]

I mean the FedEx guy dropped it off, we opened it up, and it had Lion (10.7.2) already installed... can't do much more of a clean install. Have called support over and over and over again and all they do is clean the cache, reset PRAM, same old crap. It just completely freezes up... first one app becomes non-responsive, then you try to change to another app, then it stops responding and before you know it nothing responds and you just get a spinning beach ball. We have had so many macs and have been with apple since 10.2... this is the worst excuse of an "upgrade" ever, and coming from apple ("it just works") is a joke.

And no its not a hardware issue... we installed windows in bootcamp partition and it runs just fine for days.

You can downgrade to Snow Leopard if you have another Mac and the DVD. Use a FireWire cable to hook the two Macs up, and start your iMac in Target Disk Mode. Boot your other Mac and insert the OS X Install DVD. Install as usual but be sure you choose your iMac's hard drive. When the installation is complete, run Software Update to update to 10.6.8 and voila, your iMac is running Snow Leopard.

 

[colourfastt]

You can downgrade to Snow Leopard if you have another Mac and the DVD. Use a FireWire cable to hook the two Macs up, and start your iMac in Target Disk Mode. Boot your other Mac and insert the OS X Install DVD. Install as usual but be sure you choose your iMac's hard drive. When the installation is complete, run Software Update to update to 10.6.8 and voila, your iMac is running Snow Leopard.

That's UPGRADE to Snow Leopard.

 

[Eestlane]

Its my first Mac overall and it has Lion on it.

But looks like i have to get Snow Leopard because my 3G modem won't get recognized

 

[newfoundglory]

I don't blame you guys for going to back to Snow Leopard. I've installed both Lion and SL on all my Macs, and every time I use SL i'm reminded of how fast and stable it is compared to Lion.

I like Lion, but very frustrated at how slow Apple has been at fixing things. I've got at least 5 or 6 issues, but the three which really annoy me are:

1. random graphics rendering corruption (particularly with 320M but also the HD3000, both in Safari and iTunes). Graphics drivers do not seem to be up to standard, as this doesn't happen in Snow Leopard.

2. the fact Lion cannot always be installed using RAID - Is a repeatable installation failure of OS X not a serious enough bug for Apple to fix?

3. Finder which appears to randomly stop displaying the contents of folders.

Annoying to say the least... Apple too interested in iOS to be bothered with OS X?

 

[soulreaver99]

That's UPGRADE to Snow Leopard.

LOL. I like to think of snow leopard as a PATCH to lion. When I got my early MBP 2011, it had Lion installed on it. Out of the box, in the first 3 hours of using it, I had 2 incidents of spinning beach balls and not being to wake up from sleep mode. Thankfully I had a hard drive cloned with snow and loaded that to the laptop and all problems were fixed and everything ran noticeably faster.

I guess we need to give lion another six months

 

[alembic]

Snow Leopard on New Hardware

Snow Leopard has been great. For my usage pattern, Lion offers little value. I want to buy a MacBook Air next year. Lion is going to be installed. Can I wipe it clean and install Snow Leopard?

 

[laudern]

Snow Leopard has been great. For my usage pattern, Lion offers little value. I want to buy a MacBook Air next year. Lion is going to be installed. Can I wipe it clean and install Snow Leopard?

Nah you cant downgrade to SL, as SL wont have driver support for your new machine. It totally sucks and has put me off buying any type of mac while lion is the current OS.

 

[tigres]

Nah you cant downgrade to SL, as SL wont have driver support for your new machine. It totally sucks and has put me off buying any type of mac while lion is the current OS.

I'll be using my 2010 MBA for long into the future it looks like as well.

 

[kemo]

so what's the newest Macbook Pro I can buy so it gonna support Snow Leopard without any issues? I'm gonna stick with Snow a bit longer than I thought because Lion pretty much su*ks for now...

 

[WSR]

so what's the newest Macbook Pro I can buy so it gonna support Snow Leopard without any issues? I'm gonna stick with Snow a bit longer than I thought because Lion pretty much su*ks for now...

I bought an early 2011 2.3GHz 15" MBP(MacBookPro8,2), with SL already installed, right before Lion came out. This was the top-end over-the-counter 15" model that was as fast as some of the 17" models and has a Thunderbolt port.

Initially I was going to wait for the next OS (Lion), but after seeing what they had done to Spaces, I decided to get one with SL while I could.

My understanding is that ones that came with Lion installed are difficult, if not impossible, to take back to SL.

 

[jlrathke]

I've been kicking around installing Lion on my May 2011 MBP for the last week or so...it's not my primary machine, but soon will be I think. I'm going to finally give my Win 7 desktop a rest and use the MBP docked full time. I'm glad now I haven't upgraded to Lion. Initially, I thought it was gimmicky and it seems that may be true. I suppose, though, if I didn't like Lion I could restore with my Snow Leopard disks....right?

Jerry

 

[Gomff]

Nah you cant downgrade to SL, as SL wont have driver support for your new machine. It totally sucks and has put me off buying any type of mac while lion is the current OS.

Hate to say it but I don't think it'll get any better the way things are going.

iOS, Windows and OS X are headed towards the model of computers as appliances, with specific, defined functionality. Press this button to buy an app, that button to buy some music, or this one to write an email.