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Gonna be a bust?

Arran said:
And I think it's because I don't hate my existing watch enough.
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Interesting point. Considering I stopped wearing my watch long ago... :D

No, I didn't hate my watch, it just stopped being useful. I believe the Apple watch would be useful enough that I will start wearing a watch again.

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camtechman56 said:
No... If you look the gear s has a place for a sim card, and can work independent of the phone.
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But you need a Samsung phone to activate and setup the Gear S.
 
I just wanted to be a part of this thread so that we can look back on it where all these idiots thought the watch was going to be a flop - just like with the iPod, iPad, and iPhone.
 
cmChimera said:
Does the bluetooth headset tell you who is calling? Serious question.
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I had an LG flip phone back in the day that had a setting which used text-to-speech to speak the name of the contact calling me before the ring. It would pass this to the headphones, if I was using any, or Bluetooth headset. Granted the TTS was poor, and mispronounced names often. However, it was super useful and I loved that feature.

Seems like it would be a no-brainer for Apple to implement using Siri or whatever, especially with a focus on eyes-free use in CarPlay.
 
Also, some people keep pointing to the ipod, iphone, and ipad as proof that the apple watch will succeed. They seem to forget that the original versions of those products did not sell well.

It could be argued that the first ipod was a flop, and it wasn't until the 3rd gen that it's features justified the price.

The first iphone was such a flop that Apple had to drop the price mere months later and issue a public apology. I would argue they didn't get the features right until third revision, the iPhone 4.

The first ipad wasn't so bad, but it's sales were negligible if you compare it to the second generation.

We look back on those products fondly, but a lot of what the naysayers were complaining about initially was correct. The iPad needed a front-facing camera before it was useful, the iPhone needed apps before it was useful, the iPod needed Windows and USB compatibility before it was useful. The initial nay-sayers called.

While we're at it, Apple also has a long graveyard of failed products. In addition to the ones already listed above (Shuffle 3, Bluetooth headset). I can add the iPod HiFi and G4 Cube. These were both awesome products but were priced too high and lacked features to justify such a high price. I think the first gen Apple watch suffers the same problem.
 
oneMadRssn said:
Also, some people keep pointing to the ipod, iphone, and ipad as proof that the apple watch will succeed. They seem to forget that the original versions of those products did not sell well.

It could be argued that the first ipod was a flop, and it wasn't until the 3rd gen that it's features justified the price.

The first iphone was such a flop that Apple had to drop the price mere months later and issue a public apology. I would argue they didn't get the features right until third revision, the iPhone 4.

The first ipad wasn't so bad, but it's sales were negligible if you compare it to the second generation.
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This may be true, but the word "flop" is improperly applied. Flop means "failure" in my mind, and one that results in the product being discontinued. WebOS was a flop. Blackberry Playbook was a flop. The iPhone may have gotten off to a slow start, but it was never a flop.

Now when we talk about Apple, people like to hit them with the term "flop" when they sell a few million of something instead of tens of millions. Bigger company equals bigger expectations, as we know.

I believe the Apple Watch is going to be a resounding success, and I see more and more examples every day of the ways it's going to be useful. But I also expect the first year will be a slow ramp up of sales. Slow in comparison to other Apple products, but on the other hand, fast in comparison to Android Wear devices and the Pebble.
 
jamesapp said:
This# watch is gonna sell like hot cakes with aunt germima syrup on it lol
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Mmmm, pancakes. And bacon.

I do not believe the Watch will be a flop at all. I think it will go in waves - early adopters, and then spurts of sales after each revelation about the health implications, etc.

Personally, I cannot wait. My FitBit has been part of my life for 3 years... I'm excited about more functionality.
 
Some people just don't get the idea of the "smartwatch" and in that respect, do not get the Apple Watch.

They are just too glued to the idea of the smart-phone.

When in fact most people use a smart phone as an actual phone about 10% of the time. The rest of the time it is for social media, text-messaging, content consumption and well, using the camera.

My theory is.....the watch will be the new "communications" and "fitness" device and the "smartphone" will become your content consumption device and camera, like a small tablet.

Eventually you will pay your wireless service provider for LTE on your smartwatch which you can also have the option to tether to your smaller pocket tablet/camera. For-non-watch wearers there will obviously still be an option to add LTE to your smaller pocket tablet :)

Thats why I think Apple gets it. The Apple Watch focuses on three basic things:

Timekeeping: Precisely giving you the correct time, syncing with your calender and gently reminding you of your appointments. You'll never be late again! ;)

Fitness: The sensors directly connected to your wrist will precisely monitor your fitness. It will give you a complete breakdown of your activity. Apps on the watch will cater to the types of activity you do. You'll become more active and aware of your overall health.

Communication: Stay connected with your friends and family in a much more personal way. A soft tap on your wrist, a quick glance. Take phone calls on your wrist, and for a private call, put in a bluetooth ear piece. No need to dig into your pocket and put a slab to your ear.

Bonus Feature: Apple Pay - the watch becomes your wallet.

Along with Apps designed for 10 second quick glances developed specifically for the Apple Watch. You can do more and get back to living your life.

No one is gonna watch a movie or browse the internet on their watch. The watch is designed for the three things above.

I think Apple has it right and will succeed.
 
FrankySavvy said:
Some people just don't get the idea of the "smartwatch" and in that respect, do not get the Apple Watch.

They are just too glued to the idea of the smart-phone.

When in fact most people use a smart phone as an actual phone about 10% of the time. The rest of the time it is for social media, text-messaging, content consumption and well, using the camera.

My theory is.....the watch will be the new "communications" and "fitness" device and the "smartphone" will become your content consumption device and camera, like a small tablet.

Eventually you will pay your wireless service provider for LTE on your smartwatch which you can also have the option to tether to your smaller pocket tablet/camera. For-non-watch wearers there will obviously still be an option to add LTE to your smaller pocket tablet :)

Thats why I think Apple gets it. The Apple Watch focuses on three basic things:

Timekeeping: Precisely giving you the correct time, syncing with your calender and gently reminding you of your appointments. You'll never be late again! ;)

Fitness: The sensors directly connected to your wrist will precisely monitor your fitness. It will give you a complete breakdown of your activity. Apps on the watch will cater to the types of activity you do. You'll become more active and aware of your overall health.

Communication: Stay connected with your friends and family in a much more personal way. A soft tap on your wrist, a quick glance. Take phone calls on your wrist, and for a private call, put in a bluetooth ear piece. No need to dig into your pocket and put a slab to your ear.

Bonus Feature: Apple Pay - the watch becomes your wallet.

Along with Apps designed for 10 second quick glances developed specifically for the Apple Watch. You can do more and get back to living your life.

No one is gonna watch a movie or browse the internet on their watch. The watch is designed for the three things above.

I think Apple has it right and will succeed.
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Using the AW for phone calls will be something far less than the 10% of the time people use a smartphone as a phone.

Keep in mine that the iPhone 6 and 6+ where a big success because people wanted a bigger screen to better enjoy, in your words; "social media, text-messaging, content consumption and well, using the camera".

The tiny 1 1/2" AW screen is a big, big step backward for enjoying those smart capabilities. The health capabilities is far behind the current crop of fitness watches.
 
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VFC said:
Using the AW for phone calls will be something far less than the 10% of the time people use a smartphone as a phone.

Keep in mine that the iPhone 6 and 6+ where a big success because people wanted a bigger screen to better enjoy, in your words; "social media, text-messaging, content consumption and well, using the camera".

The tiny 1 1/2" AW screen is a big, big step backward for enjoying those smart capabilities. The health capabilities is far behind the current crop of fitness watches.
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The Apple Watch is not meant for content consumption.

For most people, what do the fitness bands do that the apple watch can't?
 
FrankySavvy said:
The Apple Watch is not meant for content consumption.

For most people, what do the fitness bands do that the apple watch can't?
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1 - Continuous HR monitoring (enables capture of two of the most critical health metrics: resting heart rate and sleep pattern).
2 - Altimeter to detect walking up steps or running up an incline for more accurate activity tracking and calorie calculation.
3 - Built-in GPS so there is no need to carry the phone while running.
4 - Microsoft band has skin temperature and moisture sensors for more accurate sleep state detection.
5 - Flexible band to allow for wrist flexing while working out. The AW plastic band may be flexible; I don't know if it's flexible enough.


I'm not interested in the AW until it has the above features.
 
VFC said:
1 - Continuous HR monitoring (enables capture of two of the most critical health metrics: resting heart rate and sleep pattern).
2 - Altimeter to detect walking up steps or running up an incline for more accurate activity tracking and calorie calculation.
3 - Built-in GPS so there is no need to carry the phone while running.
4 - Microsoft band has skin temperature and moisture sensors for more accurate sleep state detection.
5 - Flexible band to allow for wrist flexing while working out. The AW plastic band may be flexible; I don't know if it's flexible enough.

I'm not interested in the AW until it has the above features.
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Notice I Said for MOST people. Remember this isn't a dedicated fitness device, it
also does a lot more then a dedicated fitness device can do.

1. Since this isn't a dedicated fitness band and more of a watch, why would you wear this device to sleep? I do not sleep with my watch.

2.The built in barometer in the iPhone will work with the watch to detect walking up steps or running up an incline for more accurate activity tracking and calorie calculation. Since the Apple Watch also uses your phone notifications and phone calls, most people will have the phone with them.

3.Same as the above, the watch will use the GPS from the iPhone. I agree that GPS should be placed into the AW itself, however to help battery life it wasn't included. The trade off is to have the phone with you. Which most people will have with them anyway while using the watch.

4.Again, the devices design is not meant to be worn during sleep. Those sensors would be unnecessary.

5. I am pretty sure with most wrist flexing the device will be secure enough. Again this is more then just a fitness band, so this argument is really based on personal use.

For MOST people, like I said earlier, the Apple Watch fitness sensors and capabilities should be plenty. For the people who need more, get a dedicated Fitness band.
 
FrankySavvy said:
Notice I Said for MOST people. Remember this isn't a dedicated fitness device, it
also does a lot more then a dedicated fitness device can do.

1. Since this isn't a dedicated fitness band and more of a watch, why would you wear this device to sleep? I do not sleep with my watch.

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For MOST people, like I said earlier, the Apple Watch fitness sensors and capabilities should be plenty. For the people who need more, get a dedicated Fitness band.
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My Surge has a watch and receives notifications from Android and iPhones. So yes I sleep with my watch on.

And since the Surge (I also had a Microsoft Band) is both a fitness band and smart watch, I only need one device on my wrist.

Plus it operates independent of my phone (of course I won't get notifications when I'm out of BT range), so I don't have to lug the phone around with me when I'm exercising. Now I do require my phone to receive the e-mail from the Surge ~ four days after a charge alerting me that the batteries are running low. I then know that I have to charge my Surge within two days (I can go up to six days on one charge and that's with the display always on; even while I'm asleep) .

It's all about the convenience of one device doing it all.

BTW - I'm an old watch geek. I had the first LED watch, the first digital voice watch (that took 4 batteries and was nearly the size of a hockey puck), and the first calculator watch with a gazillion small buttons.
 
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these threads a healthy. Notice how excited people get.

Just adds to the overall excitement, and that's whats so fun :)

Who cares if it's a turd as long as it's FUN!!! :D

(i'm buying one BTW)
 
VFC said:
My Surge has a watch and receives notifications from Android and iPhones. So yes I sleep with my watch on.

And since the Surge (I also had a Microsoft Band) is both a fitness band and smart watch, I only need one device on my wrist.

Plus it operates independent of my phone (of course I won't get notifications when I'm out of BT range), so I don't have to lug the phone around with me when I'm exercising. Now I do require my phone to receive the e-mail from the Surge ~ four days after a charge alerting me that the batteries are running low. I then know that I have to charge my Surge within two days (I can go up to six days on one charge and that's with the display always on; even while I'm asleep) .

It's all about the convenience of one device doing it all.

BTW - I'm an old watch geek. I had the first LED watch, the first digital voice watch (that took 4 batteries and was nearly the size of a hockey puck), and the first calculator watch with a gazillion small buttons.
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You're knit picking......

The apple watch's features are fine. Compromises had to be made just like any other product.
 
Whilst I'm sure it will sell well, I think we can all accept some major differences.

iPod, iPad, iPhone, iMac, MacBook etc.
All independent products, anyone can buy them and use them

Apple watch, iPhone accessory, not an independent device and only people with modern iPhones can use them.

That is quite a large difference.
One which I hope will change in later versions.
 
It's hard to say if it will be a bust because the majority of the people viewing this forum are excited about the watch. But judging by the enthusiasm I've seen it will probably get sold out.
 
Tycho24 said:
Yep....
I bet you're totally right!
I bet if it loses connectivity to your phone for even a split second, the watch immediately displays the date as 400 B.C. & deletes all of your alarms. Now would be the PERFECT time to panic. Literally none of us will have the faintest idea what time it is the moment this product arrives!

/heaping pile of sarcasm

Calm down.
You have nothing in your life you're timing to the millisecond...
You are simply desperate to attack Apple. It's a bit unnerving.
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I think Piggie has a point, It is called a smart watch! not a bracelet... I get a kick out of how many times in these forums I have read: they wouldn't, I'm sure they will fix it by release, Excuse, excuse, and excuse when it comes to Apple. I may be older, but I still remember when "The customer was always right " ; Not " you will deal with what we give you" Wouldn't it be great if we didn't have to always guess and could be sure of what we are buying?
 
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