That is a good point. BUT, you are at the mercy of Apple and only Apple. If SJ doesn't want your 3G to get multitasking, or your iPod Touch 2nd gen to get wallpaper, then you can't do anything about it. At least with Android there are more variables in play. And you have the choice. Remember, there's no guarantee Apple will let you have the latest and greatest improvements on your phone either.
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That is a good point. BUT, you are at the mercy of Apple and only Apple. If SJ doesn't want your 3G to get multitasking, or your iPod Touch 2nd gen to get wallpaper, then you can't do anything about it. At least with Android there are more variables in play. And you have the choice. Remember, there's no guarantee Apple will let you have the latest and greatest improvements on your phone either.
Have you seen iOS 4 run on a 3G? If Apple weren't still selling the 3G when iOS 4 was released, I would have said to leave the 3G off of the upgrade list along with the 1st gen.
I don't like the way Apple has been acting lately, but while that merely annoys me and makes me complain, I am truly afraid of what Google is doing.
I'll second your notions on Google. To paraphrase Kevin Spacey's character "Verbal" in "The Usual Suspects:
"Keaton always said, "I don't believe in God, but I'm afraid of him." Well I believe in God, and the only thing that scares me is Google. "
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I hope you feel the same way about the Google Execs that were ranting about iPhone at Google I/O.
http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/05/20/google.io.keynote.says.jobs.vision.is.draconian/
Or the Acer CEO that keeps lambasting the iPad.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/23/acers-jt-wang-ipads-market-share-will-drop-to-about-20-percen/
Or Nokia ...
http://www.itproportal.com/portal/news/article/2010/9/14/nokia-mocks-apple-nokia-world-2010/
I could go on and on.
It's how competition works, and part of winning is trashing the other guy. Jobs like Bill Gates in the 90's is a cutthroat business executive. Every move he makes is strategic.
They didn't test it against 244 different handsets. They offered it out as a beta, and it just so happens that a lot of beta testers run their own ROM's as it's pretty easy to flash a new one (oh the humanity of being allowed to do this!). Those ROM's have no real bearing on how an app runs. The revisions for Android are 1.5, 1.6, 2.0, 2.2 etc, and the roll your own ROM's will be based on one of those (majority will be 2.x). The Marketplace handles what apps can run on what OS revision automatically, so you only see apps that are available for your device.
When you look at the blog post on TweetDeck you'll see the vast majority of beta testers are using regular OS versions (and the vast majority of those are on latest or near latest releases).
2.2 (18268)
2.1-update1 (11768)
1.6 (3135)
2.2.1 (2031)
2.1 (665)
The remainder in that list are on custom ROM's and make up a very small proportion of the rest. Even so, they'll probably still run the app ok as custom ROM's are usually more compatible than any - they wouldn't be installed otherwise. I compile my own ROM for a Nexus One and it would have shown up in that list as a custom model if I were beta testing, but it's still 100% compatible with any app I install from the Marketplace.
True you are at the mercy of apple, but at least you an be assured that every year you will get a major update when everyone else does, along with minor updates when everyone else does. Simply, i could purchase both the iphone 4 and HTC Aria today, both released around the same time this year, and while i could myself immediately update to the latest version of IOS, i would be unable to do the same with the Aria and Froyo.
Sure I could have the 3g and be without multitasking, but i would at least get some benefits of the new OS now, with Android its a guessing game if you will get ANY update at all.
I feel that way about anyone who represents their company and bashes the competition without doing their homework. I'm not anti-Apple despite what appears to be your way of insinuating I am.
I also am against people in this forum who represent their opinions as facts and/or have no idea what they are talking about but give their "expert" opinion.
BS is BS.
One can do whatever one wants to with it provided that the one in question gets there first. Open is a double edged sword, sure, you can install piles of crap on it yourself if that floats your boat, but you can also get deep dicked by the carriers who can modify it how they see fit. Android is a mediocre operating system with a focus on carrier adoption. iOS has its focus instead on usability.
Right, but comparing the Aria to iPhone 4 is the first big mistake. The iPhone came out of the box with 4.0, while the Aria has the same OS it had out of the box.
OK, done. I learned how to build projects from source and it built successully. Now, how do I install this image on my Android handset? </devils advocate>
I still think that I/O quote about "one man, one company.....future we dont want." IS the most ridiculous uneducated thing I have ever heard. I thought these Google execs were supposed to be smart? One man? Jobs is like an elf that makes every phone and sells all of them personally? Unrealistic BS talk, and yeah sure without Android only the Iphone would exist
Such BS, they could have just said "Hey we wanted to make money and a lot of it before MS gets on every other device." No common sense in that conference, it was actually disturbing to me.
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Oh yay ANOTHER Twitter app!
Twitter is rubbish and I refuse to use it, WTF wants to know what I'm doing all day? I'll tell the 3 or 4 people who need to know in person if they ask...
"Ooooh I'm so important because I'm at ________ with *insert name drop* right now."
Nobody cares... and an app that allows you to post on twitter (probably the most simple bit of coding in the world... if you even call it coding...) I'm surprised that they need more than 1 guy working casually to port it to Android. Just "code" it all in HTML or some other lame scripting language... all it does is clone Twitter anyway.
Give up on Twitter!!! Useless web app made popular by a useless "MacAddict" editor, cum-NYT journo to strip Facebooks WORST feature and turn it into yet another simple website (took 10 minutes to "code") that requires yet another login/password.
Yaaaay... no thanks. Why did Jobs bother stabbing them? They are a bunch of fools who don't need ANY publicity!!
Oh yay ANOTHER Twitter app!
Twitter is rubbish and I refuse to use it, WTF wants to know what I'm doing all day? I'll tell the 3 or 4 people who need to know in person if they ask...
"Ooooh I'm so important because I'm at ________ with *insert name drop* right now."
Nobody cares... and an app that allows you to post on twitter (probably the most simple bit of coding in the world... if you even call it coding...) I'm surprised that they need more than 1 guy working casually to port it to Android. Just "code" it all in HTML or some other lame scripting language... all it does is clone Twitter anyway.
Give up on Twitter!!! Useless web app made popular by a useless "MacAddict" editor, cum-NYT journo to strip Facebooks WORST feature and turn it into yet another simple website (took 10 minutes to "code") that requires yet another login/password.
Yaaaay... no thanks. Why did Jobs bother stabbing them? They are a bunch of fools who don't need ANY publicity!!
Android OS and Android Platform are open. Android devices may be (and most often are) closed.
The problem is that no one is differentiating between Android the OS, Android the platform, and Android the multitude of disparate devices. This allows Google to say Android (OS) is open, developers to say Android (Platform) is easy to design for, and customers to see that Android (their Device) is most assuredly closed and has poorly designed software.
So based on your post you
#1 clearly know nothing about Twitter.
#2 clearly know nothing about software development.
And yet you felt the need to post anyway. Bravo!
Sometime back in the late 1970's. Around the time Apple formed at least, I mean he could have been that way before as well.
No, they try to impress everyone by saying a whole app was built for a large number of devices by just 2 people! Except that again, they say it was built by 2 people and then forget to mention the support staff required to design and particularly test it on all those machines.
Just because they could run the build commands doesn't mean it ultimately worked well or at all on every platform (both hardware and software).
I dont know about you but my iPhone 4 came out of the box with 4.0, and im on 4.1, the HTC Aria came with 2.1 out of the box and Android is up to 2.2, both incremental updates.
Because a future we do want is a future where everyone is using Google Android devices to check their Google Mail and find businesses on Google Maps and product information on Google while chatting on Google Voice, all the while being bombarded by Google advertising. Because it's everyone's "choice."
Nothing dystopian about that future. Nothing at all.
Enjoy the green koolaid.
Runs beautifully for me. This argument is dead, if you have issues, please factory restore you iPhone 3G to a flat state and then restore your Apps like I did with 4.1. That cured all speed issues, so much so that I decided to skip the iPhone4 and there will need to be a really compelling reason for me to absolutely have to go with the iPhone5.
Because a future we do want is a future where everyone is using Google Android devices to check their Google Mail and find businesses on Google Maps and product information on Google while chatting on Google Voice, all the while being bombarded by Google advertising. Because it's everyone's "choice."
Nothing dystopian about that future. Nothing at all.
Enjoy the green koolaid.
Why can't both pitchers of koolaid be on the table?
Who really wants Apple controlling every little thing? I know some of you would wet your pants for that, but where would the competition to drive innovation be. Are we just going to trust Apple to do what they wish? Is that what corporations do best? You really want to be in a society where Apple controls everything? How can you say that and at the same time talk about another company controlling things?
It seems like everyone has a different definition of 'Open' which is the main problem of saying anything is more 'Open'. Essentially, anyone can claim to be 'Open'. Nevertheless, it's clear that Jobs was talking from a consumer perspective and that the debate should be framed as integrated vs non-integrated. Whether that matters or not, only the market will tell. However, Apple and Jobs have shown that for consumer electronics, integrated systems can be quite profitable over a long timeframe with the iPod.
As for the TweetDeck thing, sounds like Jobs was energizing the stockholders and employees. Now I don't agree with him putting words into TweetDeck's mouths and he should have made it clearer it was his opinion. However, if it was anyone else even within Apple, no one care.
As for the TweetDeck thing, sounds like Jobs was energizing the stockholders and employees. Now I don't agree with him putting words into TweetDeck's mouths and he should have made it clearer it was his opinion. However, if it was anyone else even within Apple, no one care.
What Jobs said is true. Why do you think a lot of resource hungry games run terribly on Android? (lag, freezing?)
Because developers need to make a "line of best fit" to have it run on all devices.
Because developers need to make a "line of best fit" to have it run on all devices.