Um $3M = $3,000. $3,000,000 = $3m or $3MM.
I wouldn't call myself an audiophile, I just want decent sound quality that doesn't make my ears bleed.
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Um $3M = $3,000. $3,000,000 = $3m or $3MM.
I wouldn't call myself an audiophile, I just want decent sound quality that doesn't make my ears bleed.
Gah, I just spent far too much time reading about M vs. MM and it's not any clearer. You are correct, however M is frequently used to represent a million, correctly or not.
Either way, standard streaming audio quality is not going to make the average user's ears bleed. You prefer better and it's important to you and that's fine, but I wouldn't suggest the average user feels the same way or can notice the difference without listening for it. Most aren't even using equipment which would allow them to appreciate the difference.
Thanks....I was curious if you could stream to an iPhone or iPad. Pretty much dead to me now. I would have given it a whirl if I could play on either.
HobeSoundDarryl
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This is one of those threads to mark as an example of the hypocrisy. In a few months, Apple is believed to be rolling out this iRadio thing (which seems to be rumored to be just about exactly what Google has rolled out today). Does anyone believe it is going to be priced cheaper than $7.99/month? (hint: remember it's Apple and they are apparently having to pay 12 cents per song in royalties). Does anyone think the "free" version of iRadio is not going to be just as peppered with ads?
But let me guess, if iRadio is pretty much exactly this same thing for probably a higher price, there will be 500 posts gushing about the greatness of it, "I'm already in line", can't wait to discover some new music, etc. Much less "lame", "how is this better than Spotify?" and much more of biggest & best innovation ever, "Apple is doomed"
, and a host of other gushing love. Some will feel completely compelled to upgrade to the "s" just so they can have iRadio. "Credit card in hand", "Shut up and take my money", etc.
Stepping back: Google appears to have beaten Apple to this particular punch. Spotify, Pandora, etc seemed to have already rounded up the bulk of this opportunity. It's hard for me to see Apple beating this on price. If Spotify is "as good" it seems likely it should still be "as good" against Apple's cut and so on. But watch what happens: some of these very same people finding such fault with this will flip flop and gush about the greatness of much of the same branded with the Apple logo, probably at an even higher subscription rate. Place your bets.
Lastly, the only real winner in streaming radio: the cell phone services who have masterfully made us all swallow the pill of hard cap tiers and the huge benefits of LTE which just runs us to those tiers faster than ever before. Companies (like Apple & Google) who like their phone subsidy-paying partners are just throwing them bone after bone to help accelerate the data burn. Think. How useful are the recent major innovations for iDevices without the data burn: iCloud, Siri, Maps, iMessage and now this iRadio. What's right on the heels of that? Some kind of video streaming subscription "cable killer" that is going to burn through data tiers like nothing before it. What's after that? Just imagine what else has lots of data burn and you can probably predict the iDevice software pipeline innovations for iOS 7,8 & 9 too.
AT&T, Verizon, etc appreciates our ever-increasing $$$$$upport. Apple & Google appreciates their ever-increasing ($$$$ubsidy) $$$$$upport. And we pay for it all and gush about how great it is to do so. Cue P.T. Barnum's most famous quote... and make the key noun plural (with dollar signs in place of the S's)
But let me guess, if iRadio is pretty much exactly this same thing for probably a higher price, there will be 500 posts gushing about the greatness of it, "I'm already in line", can't wait to discover some new music, etc. Much less "lame", "how is this better than Spotify?" and much more of biggest & best innovation ever, "Apple is doomed"
, and a host of other gushing love. Some will feel completely compelled to upgrade to the "s" just so they can have iRadio. "Credit card in hand", "Shut up and take my money", etc.Stepping back: Google appears to have beaten Apple to this particular punch. Spotify, Pandora, etc seemed to have already rounded up the bulk of this opportunity. It's hard for me to see Apple beating this on price. If Spotify is "as good" it seems likely it should still be "as good" against Apple's cut and so on. But watch what happens: some of these very same people finding such fault with this will flip flop and gush about the greatness of much of the same branded with the Apple logo, probably at an even higher subscription rate. Place your bets.
Lastly, the only real winner in streaming radio: the cell phone services who have masterfully made us all swallow the pill of hard cap tiers and the huge benefits of LTE which just runs us to those tiers faster than ever before. Companies (like Apple & Google) who like their phone subsidy-paying partners are just throwing them bone after bone to help accelerate the data burn. Think. How useful are the recent major innovations for iDevices without the data burn: iCloud, Siri, Maps, iMessage and now this iRadio. What's right on the heels of that? Some kind of video streaming subscription "cable killer" that is going to burn through data tiers like nothing before it. What's after that? Just imagine what else has lots of data burn and you can probably predict the iDevice software pipeline innovations for iOS 7,8 & 9 too.
AT&T, Verizon, etc appreciates our ever-increasing $$$$$upport. Apple & Google appreciates their ever-increasing ($$$$ubsidy) $$$$$upport. And we pay for it all and gush about how great it is to do so. Cue P.T. Barnum's most famous quote... and make the key noun plural (with dollar signs in place of the S's)
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This is one of those threads to mark as an example of the hypocrisy. In a few months, Apple is believed to be rolling out this iRadio thing (which seems to be rumored to be just about exactly what Google has rolled out today). Does anyone believe it is going to be priced cheaper than $7.99/month? (hint: remember it's Apple and they are apparently having to pay 12 cents per song in royalties). Does anyone think the "free" version of iRadio is not going to be just as peppered with ads?
But let me guess, if iRadio is pretty much exactly this same thing for probably a higher price, there will be 500 posts gushing about the greatness of it, "I'm already in line", can't wait to discover some new music, etc. Much less "lame", "how is this better than Spotify?" and much more of biggest & best innovation ever, "Apple is doomed"
Stepping back: Google appears to have beaten Apple to this particular punch. Spotify, Pandora, etc seemed to have already rounded up the bulk of this opportunity. It's hard for me to see Apple beating this on price. If Spotify is "as good" it seems likely it should still be "as good" against Apple's cut and so on. But watch what happens: some of these very same people finding such fault with this will flip flop and gush about the greatness of much of the same branded with the Apple logo, probably at an even higher subscription rate. Place your bets.
Preach. Bookmarked. Can't wait to have my morning coffee and chuckle on that day.
Unfortunately I'm not in the same world with you. M means million in my world. Sorry.
This is one of those threads to mark as an example of the hypocrisy. In a few months, Apple is believed to be rolling out this iRadio thing (which seems to be rumored to be just about exactly what Google has rolled out today). Does anyone believe it is going to be priced cheaper than $7.99/month? (hint: remember it's Apple and they are apparently having to pay 12 cents per song in royalties). Does anyone think the "free" version of iRadio is not going to be just as peppered with ads?
But let me guess, if iRadio is pretty much exactly this same thing for probably a higher price, there will be 500 posts gushing about the greatness of it, "I'm already in line", can't wait to discover some new music, etc. Much less "lame", "how is this better than Spotify?" and much more of biggest & best innovation ever, "Apple is doomed"
Stepping back: Google appears to have beaten Apple to this particular punch. Spotify, Pandora, etc seemed to have already rounded up the bulk of this opportunity. It's hard for me to see Apple beating this on price. If Spotify is "as good" it seems likely it should still be "as good" against Apple's cut and so on. But watch what happens: some of these very same people finding such fault with this will flip flop and gush about the greatness of much of the same branded with the Apple logo, probably at an even higher subscription rate. Place your bets.
Lastly, the only real winner in streaming radio: the cell phone services who have masterfully made us all swallow the pill of hard cap tiers and the huge benefits of LTE which just runs us to those tiers faster than ever before. Companies (like Apple & Google) who like their phone subsidy-paying partners are just throwing them bone after bone to help accelerate the data burn. Think. How useful are the recent major innovations for iDevices without the data burn: iCloud, Siri, Maps, iMessage and now this iRadio. What's right on the heels of that? Some kind of video streaming subscription "cable killer" that is going to burn through data tiers like nothing before it. What's after that? Just imagine what else has lots of data burn and you can probably predict the iDevice software pipeline innovations for iOS 7,8 & 9 too.
AT&T, Verizon, etc appreciates our ever-increasing $$$$$upport. Apple & Google appreciates their ever-increasing ($$$$ubsidy) $$$$$upport. And we pay for it all and gush about how great it is to do so. Cue P.T. Barnum's most famous quote... and make the key noun plural (with dollar signs in place of the S's)
Yeah it's like android fans gushing about sdcards and then saying "take my money", "get in line!", "beat that apple!!!" and "I love Google!" when the n4 came out
Or when they said "no one wants to talk to their phone!!"when siri was announced and now say "Google voice search is amazingggg!!!"
Or when it was a huge deal when android has higher marketshare in the us, but now "the rest of the world realizes android is better!!!"
Ah hypocrisy
This seems like a smart move on Google's part, even if it isn't all that profitable for them. They need to move people to subscription music if they want to diminish the legacy music purchase advantage Apple has in their ecosystem.
I registered for All Access. It looks pretty good, and they appear to have everything their competitors do. There is still the album-only problem, which kind of kills it for me.
I registered for All Access. It looks pretty good, and they appear to have everything their competitors do. There is still the album-only problem, which kind of kills it for me.
RIAA 2012 #
Streaming: $1,032.8 million USD (up 59%)
Singles Download: $1,623.6 million USD (up 6.7%)
Album Download: $1,204.8 million USD (up 12.5%)
Physical CD Album: $2,532 million USD (down 18.3%)
Spotify growth:
January, 2010:------------ 250,000 paying subscribers
March 17, 2010:----------- 320,000
July 20, 2010: ---------------- 500,000
December 8, 2010: ------ 750,000
March 8, 2011:--------------- 1,000,000
July 14, 2011: -----------------1,600,000
Sept 21, 2011: ---------------- 2,000,000
Nov 23, 2011: ------------------2,500,000
Jan 26, 2012: -------------------3,000,000
July 31, 2012:--------------------4,000,000
Dec 6, 2012: ---------------------5,000,000
March 12, 2013:------------------6,000,000
May 15, 2013:--------------------more than 6,500,000 paying subscribers
At the current rate of growth, Streaming Revenue in the USA will be greater than Single Digital Download Revenue in the USA in about 8 months.
http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/permalink/2013/20130327streamingbillion#TNHkBIsGVMmoIp2Xklr6mQ
At the current 59% growth rate, Streaming Revenue for 2013 in the usa will be at $1,642 million.
At the current -3% growth rate, Singles Download Revenue for 2013 in the USA will be at $1,575 million.
The rise of smartphone is ideal for music streaming. Its growth has been phenomenal.
Streaming Revenue 2011 (USA): $649.6 million USD
Streaming Revenue 2012 (USA): $1,032.8 million USD (up 59%)
Streaming Revenue 2013 (USA): ???
Streaming Revenue 2014 (USA): ???
Streaming Revenue in the USA is poised to cross the $2 billion a year mark in 12-15 months time. Maybe even sooner since Google just launched its streaming service and with Amazon and Apple waiting in the wings.
Streaming: $1,032.8 million USD (up 59%)
Singles Download: $1,623.6 million USD (up 6.7%)
Album Download: $1,204.8 million USD (up 12.5%)
Physical CD Album: $2,532 million USD (down 18.3%)
Spotify growth:
January, 2010:------------ 250,000 paying subscribers
March 17, 2010:----------- 320,000
July 20, 2010: ---------------- 500,000
December 8, 2010: ------ 750,000
March 8, 2011:--------------- 1,000,000
July 14, 2011: -----------------1,600,000
Sept 21, 2011: ---------------- 2,000,000
Nov 23, 2011: ------------------2,500,000
Jan 26, 2012: -------------------3,000,000
July 31, 2012:--------------------4,000,000
Dec 6, 2012: ---------------------5,000,000
March 12, 2013:------------------6,000,000
May 15, 2013:--------------------more than 6,500,000 paying subscribers
At the current rate of growth, Streaming Revenue in the USA will be greater than Single Digital Download Revenue in the USA in about 8 months.
http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/permalink/2013/20130327streamingbillion#TNHkBIsGVMmoIp2Xklr6mQ
At the current 59% growth rate, Streaming Revenue for 2013 in the usa will be at $1,642 million.
At the current -3% growth rate, Singles Download Revenue for 2013 in the USA will be at $1,575 million.
The rise of smartphone is ideal for music streaming. Its growth has been phenomenal.
Streaming Revenue 2011 (USA): $649.6 million USD
Streaming Revenue 2012 (USA): $1,032.8 million USD (up 59%)
Streaming Revenue 2013 (USA): ???
Streaming Revenue 2014 (USA): ???
Streaming Revenue in the USA is poised to cross the $2 billion a year mark in 12-15 months time. Maybe even sooner since Google just launched its streaming service and with Amazon and Apple waiting in the wings.
Tired meme is tired. I'd love to go through one Google thread without...
A. Someone screaming hysterics about someone bringing up how "THEY KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU".
and...
B. At least 10 people saying "Google is dumb with this new service. It's like they're throwing stuff at a wall to see what sticks".
Can't you all think of any new material?
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Ah hypocrisy
I didn't say it's not both ways.
And the hypocrisy is not Google vs. Apple. It's in how so many in this thread are finding Google iRadio "lame", stupid, "a waste", "too expensive", "what's this got over Spotify?" and on and on. And I'm only predicting it when Apple rolls out Apple "Play Music All Access" as iRadio and these same people and countless others will gush about the greatness of many of these very same features... probably at a higher subscription rate.
This is just a perfect setup for comparing the comments made following an Apple iRadio announcement. It just happens that Google is behind this particular incarnation of iRadio just ahead of Apple.
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Anyone got the impact of streaming everything from various incarnations of iCloud-type services on the cell phone provider's revenues? "Must have innovations" that make us crash through hard caps to use them and thus pay up much more in data burn are probably the real music... to AT&T, Verizon, etc ears. I bet the cell phone service numbers- and especially the projections- just crush those numbers.
For my purposes, I see no compelling reason to switch away from Spotify (if Google's option even ever ends up on iOS, that is). From the look of it, Spotify does everything that Play Music does and more, albeit at a bit higher price.
Before, I was buying a couple of albums a month on iTunes with no certainty that I would really end up loving what I was buying. For less money than I was already spending, I have access to virtually everything that I was buying before. If I end up loving an album, I can still buy it if I want. This works for me, and its much easier to discover new artists with Spotify than it ever was with iTunes (or even free services like Pandora).
Not to mention, streaming allows me to free up space on my mobile devices. So when I buy the upcoming iPad, I probably won't need to even consider a 64GB or 128GB model (my music library is what took up 70% of my 64GB iPad 2, before my roommate broke it).
But then again, I'm biased. First, I do consume a lot of music. And second, I don't care about "owning" media that much. It just seems like a pointless fetish to me. I mean, if its cheaper, sure I'll buy it, but buying everything I would like to listen to would be much more expensive on a per month basis (like 8X as much). Finally, I just don't revisit music that I was listening to 2 years ago; old music is old.
Before, I was buying a couple of albums a month on iTunes with no certainty that I would really end up loving what I was buying. For less money than I was already spending, I have access to virtually everything that I was buying before. If I end up loving an album, I can still buy it if I want. This works for me, and its much easier to discover new artists with Spotify than it ever was with iTunes (or even free services like Pandora).
Not to mention, streaming allows me to free up space on my mobile devices. So when I buy the upcoming iPad, I probably won't need to even consider a 64GB or 128GB model (my music library is what took up 70% of my 64GB iPad 2, before my roommate broke it).
But then again, I'm biased. First, I do consume a lot of music. And second, I don't care about "owning" media that much. It just seems like a pointless fetish to me. I mean, if its cheaper, sure I'll buy it, but buying everything I would like to listen to would be much more expensive on a per month basis (like 8X as much). Finally, I just don't revisit music that I was listening to 2 years ago; old music is old.
Can you explain why it's not an appropriate description in this case? It's not something Google has been involved with before, they do launch a alot of stuff that end up going nowhere. I'm not saying that it's something wrong with it, but trying lots of things and evaluate and iterate seems to be how they operate.
If it's anything like Google Music it will only be available for people located in the US. Whoop-de-doo.
They have years of experience streaming content via Youtube, and with the recent advent of being able to upload and listen to your own library from the cloud through Google Music, it's obvious they've had the basic infrastructure in place for a good bit now.
What we're seeing here is the obvious next step.
I'm with you.
I rather spend $500 a year on buying 40 CDs rather spend $120 a year to rent music.
Sure, it cost more than 4 times more and I only get 40 albums instead of hundreds of thousands, but at least I own them.
I just signed up for the free trial and it automatically found 4 albums from artists that I am interested in. These are new records I didn't know were released. But I already use Google Play Music, so it knows my listening habits.
Tried the other services, but never stuck with them, because the key to these services to me is music discovery. If this can do a good job of suggesting things that I like, then it might finally be the keeper. It has the advantage of knowing what I already own and what I already listen to. Sounds like a killer feature to me. And it is the cheapest service out there (with the introductory price).
Tried the other services, but never stuck with them, because the key to these services to me is music discovery. If this can do a good job of suggesting things that I like, then it might finally be the keeper. It has the advantage of knowing what I already own and what I already listen to. Sounds like a killer feature to me. And it is the cheapest service out there (with the introductory price).
Spotify getting crushed?
LOL. Google, Apple, Amazon and Microsoft are all getting into the music subscription business because of the following:
Spotify growth:
January, 2010:------------ 250,000 paying subscribers
March 17, 2010:----------- 320,000
July 20, 2010: ---------------- 500,000
December 8, 2010: ------ 750,000
March 8, 2011:--------------- 1,000,000
July 14, 2011: -----------------1,600,000
Sept 21, 2011: ---------------- 2,000,000
Nov 23, 2011: ------------------2,500,000
Jan 26, 2012: -------------------3,000,000
July 31, 2012:--------------------4,000,000
Dec 6, 2012: ---------------------5,000,000
March 12, 2013:------------------6,000,000
May 15, 2013:--------------------more than 6,500,000 paying subscribers
And according to Spotify, 90% of the paying subscribers are on the more expensive Premium Tier ($9.99/9.99 Euro) instead of the Unlimited Tier ($4.99/4.99 Euro).
I never said Spotify isn't currently doing well. What I said is now they are going to get crushed by Google.
I might try out the free trial see if I can use it.
I have all my music uploaded to Google Music so I can listen to it anywhere I go for the most part.
Pretty neat app for the most part; I wonder why they don't release an iOS version.
I have all my music uploaded to Google Music so I can listen to it anywhere I go for the most part.
Pretty neat app for the most part; I wonder why they don't release an iOS version.
I installed it on my Nexus 4. Google Music just needed an upgrade to get this started. I signed up. I then did the same thing on my Nexus 7 and it already knew I was signed up and was ready to go. I'll likely use it on the Nexus 7 the most because that's what I listen to music the most on.
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