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You mean the android implementation that is so imprecise it can be fooled easily?

I guess it's easy to rattle off a laundry list of android features which resemble those on iOS when you don't have to worry about implementation. Just shove a half-baked feature in so you can claim parity with iOS, never mind it can be fooled with a photo. For instance, did you know that for one of the govt apps I use, only the iOS version allows for Face ID unlock? The android version doesn't support it as it is deemed too insecure.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...to-log-into-government-e-services-by-scanning

And that is why...
He is not referring to regular facial recognition. There are Android phones with 3d face Id technology exactly like the iPhone uses. However most Android phone are going the under screen fingerprint scanner route as it gives the option for a full screen display.
 
He is not referring to regular facial recognition. There are Android phones with 3d face Id technology exactly like the iPhone uses. However most Android phone are going the under screen fingerprint scanner route as it gives the option for a full screen display.

Which other phones use infra red dot matrix biometrics?

EDIT: Mate 20 Pro, my bad
 
This doesn’t belong here. Here on macrumors.

One, it has nothing to do with a Mac. Two, it doesn’t even have anything to do with any Apple product. And three, as it has been confirmed by Google, it’s not a rumor either. So... yeah.

That all said, I want to add a blurb here about how glad I am that my iPhone doesn’t have one of those annoying, stupid “camera bumps”. It was designed when rational thought went into designing them, before thinness became the guiding light of everything Apple (and all their copy-petitors) did.




Google today confirmed that its upcoming Pixel 4 devices will feature a square-shaped rear camera bump, a feature also rumored to be coming to the 2019 iPhones.

A case maker's mockup for the Pixel 4 smartphones leaked earlier this week, and today, Google confirmed the news itself in a tweeted image showing off the new design.

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Google's rear camera setup appears to include two lenses, a microphone, a flash, and a "spectral sensor" at the top that accounts for things like light flicker when filming an LCD display.

Apple too is planning to use a square-shaped camera bump for its 2019 devices, based on leaked rumors, renders, and cases. Just this week we checked out some cases designed for the 2019 iPhone lineup that have large square cutouts to accommodate the new camera arrangement.


Apple's square-shaped camera bump is expected to house triple-lens camera setups for the iPhone XS and XS Max successors, along with a dual-lens camera setup for the iPhone XR successor.

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Based on leaked information, the three lenses in Apple's camera arrangement are set into a triangle shape. There are two lenses at the left as on the current flagship iPhones, along with one lens in between them set off to the right and a flash above that.

Google's setup, meanwhile, has the two lenses for its camera arranged horizontally with a flash at the bottom. Both of these setups provide more space between the flash and the lenses and there may be other benefits to square-shaped arrangement that both companies are taking advantage of.

Apple is expected to launch its 2019 iPhones in September, while Google's are also rumored to be coming in the fall. Historically, Google's new Pixel phones have come out in October, so while Google has beaten Apple to the punch officially showing off a square-shaped rear camera design first, Apple's 2019 flagship smartphones should launch first.

Article Link: Google Confirms Pixel 4 Will Feature Square-Shaped Camera Bump
 
Props Google?

I hope in your lifetime you create something and someone wholesale copies it.

Google is a sh*t company.
Apple hasn’t released this yet. It’s merely a rumor at this point. A likely to be true rumor, but still a rumor.

I’m not a fanboy for either company, I use products from both company daily (I deem google’s email better than iCloud, so I use gmail. I deem iOS better than android, so i use an iPhone XS. I deem Nest’s home solutions better than Apple’s integration solutions, so I use them... and it continues to others: Alexa is better than Siri for me, so I use Amazon for that, Spotify is remarkably better at helping me find new music in comparison to Apple Music, etc). In this case, I see Google showing a strong hand here in their marketing and strategy. So yes, props Google. Feel free to disagree.
 
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I could care less about what the rear facing camera setup looks like. What I’m more curious about is why anyone really needs a front facing camera. I think everyone would agree that there is a strong desire to have devices with no notch, no hole punch, no chin or forehead - just an all screen device with minimal bezels.

The pop-up camera system is one answer, but I think it creates too many potential issues for water and dust intrusion, motor failure, etc. The through the screen camera is probably the best idea, but what about simply adding a small screen to the back of a device for selfies and video calls, using the main cameras on the rear?
 
Does anyone here think that Apple / Google / Samsung actually design the camera housing?

They all go to the same sources for parts and I am sure the square is the next logical progression so it’s available to anyone who wants to put it in their new phones.

It’s not surprising to see google releasing a similar looking phone to the iPhone rumors, we have reached the point where these devices essentially look the same and have (for the most part) the same features.
 
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Copy the competition shamelessly.
Ban the competition from your market.
Done.

Apple forgot to patent the above, so google used it.
 
No rear fingerprint reader. I suspect an in-screen reader like the S10 and OnePlus. Nice.
My understanding is there are bezels. I think Google is going to offer it’s version of FaceID.
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Does anyone here think that Apple / Google / Samsung actually design the camera housing?

They all go to the same sources for parts and I am sure the square is the next logical progression so it’s available to anyone who wants to put it in their new phones.

It’s not surprising to see google releasing a similar looking phone to the iPhone rumors, we have reached the point where these devices essentially look the same and have (for the most part) the same features.
I mean, there are only so many ways to symmetrically place cameras and flashes. What else should that do? Arrange them centered horizontally? I think it looks ugly as sin, but not sure what the alternative is. We all want more cameras, don’t we (I actually don’t care—give me a better telephoto with a better zoom and I’m str8).
 
I use a case so it's not a huge deal but I would rather the phone be thicker to accommodate the camera housing and fit flush.
 
It looks fine on both phones (or at least the iPhone renders). 95% of people use a case so you won't notice the bump anyways.
 
Copy the competition shamelessly.
Ban the competition from your market.
Done.

Apple forgot to patent the above, so google used it.
Apple hasn't announced a square camera bump yet.

In reality, Apple is now in the copying seat. Google has openly said they're using a square camera bump. They were to it first.
 
To me, it looks like Google shamelessly copied from Huawei. It looks like a Mate 20. And now they cut the cords with them...
I'm not a big fan of the "copying" accusations in general. Based on what we have seen, adding a camera in a smartphone is probably going to be easiest in a square orientation. I'm more that willing to bet Apple, Huawei, and Google looked at their designs and said "how do we add another camera?" and came up with these designs separately.

I'll wait to judge the fact that Google only has two cameras until I see the keynote with new features.
 
I can't wait to see what Google does with this. If they can make photos look as good as they do with one lens, this should be phenomenal.
 
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Apple hasn't announced a square camera bump yet.

In reality, Apple is now in the copying seat. Google has openly said they're using a square camera bump. They were to it first.

One can imagine why Google is announcing their next phone so early.

It’s pretty obvious that their current pixel phone isn’t selling, so there’s little to lose in announcing their next smartphone offering so early in advance.

Is there anyone here who actually believes this will pose any credible threat to Apple?
 
I could care less about what the rear facing camera setup looks like. What I’m more curious about is why anyone really needs a front facing camera. I think everyone would agree that there is a strong desire to have devices with no notch, no hole punch, no chin or forehead - just an all screen device with minimal bezels.

The pop-up camera system is one answer, but I think it creates too many potential issues for water and dust intrusion, motor failure, etc. The through the screen camera is probably the best idea, but what about simply adding a small screen to the back of a device for selfies and video calls, using the main cameras on the rear?

I’m just guessing but I imagine there are more pictures taken with the front camera (selfies) than the rear cam. And honestly, I don’t think that many people are militant about the camera bump or the notch. I’ve read the comments on MR but I think we’re hardly the “average users”. IMHO
 
That's when google decided to standardize the fingerprint APIs for all of Android. The Galaxy S5 came out a year before that and had a fingerprint reader.

And Windows Mobile phones had fingerprint readers before the iPhone even existed. The Toshiba g900 came out in 2007 with a fingerprint reader on the back.

Yep, I specifically mentioned stock Android, not proprietary implementations. Would you really trust your banking information to non-standard Android implementations?
 
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