Google Debuts New Hardware and Shows Off New Search, AR, and Google Assistant Features at Google I/O

[v0lume4]

Are you really claiming the pixel or s10 will sell more than the xr.

Apple is doing fine.

Ptemium amartphone market, apple kind of owns it.

No, but I'm saying that the Xr is the inferior buy. If Apple is able to convince the buying public otherwise, that is there prerogative. It's really a shame that a phone that is inferior in basically every way to the competition (save for the processor and -- according to some people -- the OS) can be sold at $750 and people will eat it up. It's why we are where we are now -- $1000 iPhones.

 

[FFR]

I remember when I saw Palm's multitasking back in 2009, it never for second did it cross my mind any link or comparison to cover flow. Please find me an article or post from someone making such a claim, I'm finding out today in 2019 some people like to do revisionist history and link this somehow. Please explain to me how they are linked, I'd truly love to know. And yes comparison to Xerox Park is relevant because if we are going to stretch things out, we might as well call everything a copy of everything.

Wow you Remember seeing it, i actually bought one, a half baked pos. The most annoying thing about it was that stupid gesture area it never worked. I also had the original iPhone, the 3GS, the blackberry bold 9000, bb curve 8500 and whole bunch of Nokia s60 phones at the time.

What revisionist history, apple sued palm because of the blatant copying.

Where have you been?

 

[trifid]

Apple owns patents on cover flow, it’s not just for music but files, and windows.

Everywhere I look, the cover flow patent only mentions media, not "files" or "windows" please link me your source to back up your claim. Also the cover flow patent is a design patent, not utility, so it protects the "look", nothing more. Look at these links where it describes the 3D animation that's particular of cover flow. Palm has nothing to do with it, there is nothing copied related to that patent.

https://www.patentlyapple.com/paten...mation-gui-for-iphone-led-cinema-display.html

https://www.patentlyapple.com/paten...w-safari-snapback-universal-dock-patents.html

https://www.patentlyapple.com/paten...-ichat-idvd-virtual-keyboard-multi-touch.html

 

[FriendlyPanda]

They try so hard.

You're the only one in this entire thread who is trying so hard. ;D

You really can't stand the idea of Apple taking a cue from another company who may or may not have debuted a concept first.

Bringing up Xerox Parc is beyond asinine.

If you can’t see the resemblance between Palm multitasking cards and cover flow AND claim cover flow is a copy of things from Xerox Parc, then I’m at a complete loss for words.

And Palm's multitasking cards and Apple's Cover Flow look almost nothing alike.

 

[justperry]

Not happy about Google with their crap at all.
I have a Nest thermostat, didn't know it was owned by Google, this morning I got up and read my mail, disgusted by what they did/do, gonna integrate Nest with a Google account, works with Nest going to be canceled, I now decided to get rid of my Nest, not interested at all in a Google account.

F Google.

 

[FFR]

No, but I'm saying that the Xr is the inferior buy. If Apple is able to convince the buying public otherwise, that is there prerogative. It's really a shame that a phone that is inferior in basically every way to the competition (save for the processor and -- according to some people -- the OS) can be sold at $750 and people will eat it up. It's why we are where we are now -- $1000 iPhones.

That’s where your wrong and sales backs the xr up.

It’s the 1000 android phones that are really inferior, they don’t sell and prices drops precipitously after launch.

The xrs components are not Interior.

You have an 8core npu, nvme based storage and 3d facial recognition, those components along with the a12 are markedly superior to anything android offers, including the s10. You look foolish when you claim these components to be inferior.


These components with iOS and all its feature make the xr a compelling product for consumers. You also have the ecosystem; Mac OS other iOS devices, App Store, iTunes Store, apple watch, airpods, homepods, Appletv, icloud, continuity, handoff, IMessage, FaceTime, Apple Music , Apple Pay etc etc.

And the new services apple arcade, Apple TV channels, apple news, apple card, and apple+

Not to mention apple support, apple care, the list goes on and on.

Just because you don’t see a USP for iPhone or its ecosystem doesn’t mean nobody else does

Apple pretty much owns the market they sell in.

Everywhere I look, the cover flow patent only mentions media, not "files" or "windows" please link me your source to back up your claim. Also the cover flow patent is a design patent, not utility, so it protects the "look", nothing more. Look at these links where it describes the 3D animation that's particular of cover flow. Palm has nothing to do with it, there is nothing copied related to that patent.

https://www.patentlyapple.com/paten...mation-gui-for-iphone-led-cinema-display.html

https://www.patentlyapple.com/paten...w-safari-snapback-universal-dock-patents.html

https://www.patentlyapple.com/paten...-ichat-idvd-virtual-keyboard-multi-touch.html

It’s either Mac OS X tiger or leopard, where apple incorporated cover flow into the finder.

Your not a Mac user are you?

You're the only one in this entire thread who is trying so hard. ;D

Not trying at all, I have Been saying the same thing from the beginning.

One poster claims apple copied palm the other apple copied xerox parc. That’s trying really hard to justify why google copied apple on the gestures, same thing with the notch last year, so many claiming google did not copy the notch. It’s sad.

You really can't stand the idea of Apple taking a cue from another company who may or may not have debuted a concept first.

And Palm's multitasking cards and Apple's Cover Flow look almost nothing alike.

Why not? I actually know the companies that apple directly copied from, everyone does.

It’s just not palm.
That’s pretty desperate for a justification.

 

[Mildredop]

I wish google (and other companies) were much more privacy focused. I'd love to explore alternatives to Apple for several different products/services but I prefer my data stay with me as much as possible... :/

So you never use Facebook, Instagram, Twitter etc?

I hear this privacy argument a lot, but billions of people then voluntarily publish the most intimate parts of their lives for all to see.

I've been an Android/Samsung user since 2010 and I can't say I've noticed how my privacy has been stolen. Unlike the people who have posted their holiday photos online and then been robbed. Or posted a photo of their credit card online and been scammed. Or seen a photo of their dog from Instagram being used for a billboard ad.

We're all just a number and there's a lot of information about all of us out there. Simply using an iPhone isn't going to change that.

 

[GeoStructural]

There was a time when Apple keynotes were this feature packed. Those were the days.

Are you saying all those new emojis and watch bands are not features?

 

[kis]

So you agree android cannot compete with iOs unless they sell dirt cheap phones.

I’m not in the US and this chart is for global marketshare for all smartphones phones priced 400 dollars and over, subsidized or not, once again all over the world.

In this chart apple has the lions share of the market.

We are talking about $400 and above and android isn’t selling any phones in any substantial number globally at that price point, not Samsung, or Oppo, or vivo, or Xiaomi or Huawei, or even when you combine them all. Apple still outsells.

No, I don’t agree - you’re putting words in my mouth. I’ve grown to seriously dislike Android because I hate Google - but that doesn’t mean Android phones aren’t any good. From my own experience, some very cheap Android phones are just as good as the top iPhones. Can you also post some number in terms of how the premium market is compared to lower cost alternatives in terms of global market share? Exactly.
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Every single iPhone buyer is in the premium segment.

1 in 10 Android buyers is in the premium segment.

And your point is?
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According to the BLS, 4.9% of workers in the U.S. had more than one job in 2017. A number that is decreasing.



The U.S. is a tiny island? Got it. Thanks for clearing that up.

Have you recently looked at the world population? You ARE a tiny island.
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So you never use Facebook, Instagram, Twitter etc?

I hear this privacy argument a lot, but billions of people then voluntarily publish the most intimate parts of their lives for all to see.

Right - because they’re careless idiots. And no, Google doesn’t STEAL anything. They “collect”.
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Not happy about Google with their crap at all.
I have a Nest thermostat, didn't know it was owned by Google, this morning I got up and read my mail, disgusted by what they did/do, gonna integrate Nest with a Google account, works with Nest going to be canceled, I now decided to get rid of my Nest, not interested at all in a Google account.

F Google.

Feeling the exact same way.

 

[FFR]

No, I don’t agree - you’re putting words in my mouth. I’ve grown to seriously dislike Android because I hate Google - but that doesn’t mean Android phones aren’t any good. From my own experience, some very cheap Android phones are just as good as the top iPhones. Can you also post some number in terms of how the premium market is compared to lower cost alternatives in terms of global market share? Exactly.

Whether you or I like or dislike android is irrelevant to the data.

Experiences vary in relation to compromises, but once again that has nothing to do with the data.

The data from the chart I provided is the global marketshare for smartphones in the premium category, 400 dollars and above, and android can’t compete in that market. Demand just isn’t there.

There are no graphs, charts or market analysis that I know of that represent 400 dollars and below in the global Smartphone market.
There is no reason for it. 400 dollars and below is an extremely price sensitive market with absolutely no brand loyalties, only loyalty is to price.

 

[il_teo77]

We are reaching a point where the smartphone hardware is good enough for several generation. The improvements from one year to the next are no longer as dramatical as they were (speaking "post iPhone X") and people are keeping devices longer before replacing them. Carriers have decreased subsidies and so prices are "visible" to the consumer in their full extent. All of this has moved the playing field from hardware based improvements to services and, in general, user related improvements. On this front Apple has been stagnant for YEARS. Apple seems to have the right ideas but follows them poorly. Apple first saw the potential of a digital assistant and created Siri, then they saw the potential of AR and baked it deep into the OS. But, besides "being there for a long time" none of these features translate in real, tangible, benefits for the users since they are "half baked" and have been stagnant for a while. Siri is losing ground as we speak, AR didn't translate in anything meaningful for a user, like me, who plays little games and uses the phone for work.

The home screen of the iPhone is empty since it's very first iteration and fills with notifications and nothing else. The iPhone is a smartphone, but not a "proactive phone". And this is the new trend, which Apple is missing.

Apple has by far the best CPU and possibly GPU out there, it has a wonderful screen (I own an iPhone X). In general, from a hardware point of view, the iPhone is still one of (in my opinion THE) best smartphones out there. But as soon as you start asking Siri to do something (in italian, maybe in english it is better) or ask it to perform a sequence of tasks, you immediately reach the limit of the platform, which is NOT in hardware, but in software.

Why, in 2019, I cannot ask "Hey Siri, turn off the light in the bedroom and turn on the kitchen at 50%" in one sentence is, frankly, beyond me. Why Siri is available in a ton of languages on the iPhone, in some on the AppleTV and only in three or four on the HomePod is, frankly, beyond me.
Why my home screen shows a gazillion useless notifications "hey, I'm App so and so would like to remind you that you haven't been using me for a while, PLEASE USE ME!" and NOTHING about the current weather, my next meetings at a glance or other MUCH MORE relevant information (without swiping left every time) is, frankly, beyond me.

I see what Google is doing and am not interested in their offering. But when your only point is "But WE respect your privacy" then you open yourself to what Google is doing. As soon as Google becomes more respectful of the privacy of it's users, then the only point Apple has vanishes.

An advice, from a humble user. Apple, stop spending billions in research of the moonshot and start spending them on what matters.
The software your users have in their hands on a daily basis. And use for work, not only to play games or chat on iMessage sending animoji's or similar.


And refresh the overall design of iOS, it is getting long in the tooth...


Sorry for the rant. Kudos for Google for pushing the envelope.

 

[sinsin07]

You moved the goal post.

You went from who copied who:

Is anybody gonna bring up that Google straight up copied iOS gestures down the design of the home bar? They also copied the animation when going home. Apple was 2 years ahead of everyone with iOS gestures, even the copycats can’t get it as fluid as IOS

To who does it best:

It’s not about who does it first but who does it best.

I guess this argument makes people feel so clever.

No, it just makes them smarter than you.

Lol the good old “PaLM dId it FiRSt hurr DUrr”
Do you think Google copied this because an intern came across a video of WebOS from a decade ago? Or just maybe, Apple nailed it with the iPhone?

You can imagine whatever you want happend.
Fact is your original post was a rant about somebody copying somebody else.
Don't get rankled because you got caught out there.

 

[Coconut Bean]

Curious what reviews will be like. Apple’s gross margins have stayed the same (even though a larger share of their revenue comes from higher margin services) so the increase in iPhone prices is because the newer phones are more expensive to make. So is Google making next to no money off this phone or is it just cheaper hardware?

I think it is a combination of both. Little cheaper, and less profit. The pixel was extremely overpriced for the hardware you get, almost Apple territory. But looking at how few devices they sell this won't affect the company too much.

It's still expensive for the hardware you get if compared to other android manufacturers. Relative to the Pixel 3, it is fairly valued. $200-300 less and compromises on water resistance, material (no gorilla glass, metal frame or glass back), LG-oled panel, wireless charging, water resistance, processor, pixel visual core and front camera.

It might seem like massive compromise but the UX remains basically the same without the cherry on the top.
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That's just the cheaper Pixel 3a. Apple's phones start at $449, or $249 with trade-in.

The new Pixel 3 starts at $799, and the Pixel 3 XL starts at $899. With 128gb of memory, it's $999.

Not much different from Apple.

What you're losing with a Pixel 3a:
* Not water resistant
* Only 1 configuration - 64gb.
* Front camera worse
* Phone is polycarbonate, not metal and glass.

In that case Pixels start at $399. That Is cheaper and objectively better than Apples 2.5 year old offering for $449.

 

[sinsin07]

yes, 4 people. will you be here all week?

i'm aware, and yet your sun reference is just as stupid with any meaning of the word shade))

nice try with the save though.

And another Wooosh.
There is something stupid here, just not where you think.
Thank goodness for ignore.

 

[justperry]

Feeling the exact same way.

Most people are stupid.

The internet will change, v 2.0 is coming, even the ones which created the internet as it is now condemn where it went/is heading.
Hope it's rather sooner than later, fed up with all these companies collecting YOUR personal Data, even when you are not aware of it, like shadow profiles on Facebook, Google-Facebook amongst others are evil.

 

[Jay-Jacob]

First time I see something I want from Google! Lol. Live captions! That look awesome (if it work). I want Apple do that too! I see many video Facebook and Instagram and online don’t have captions and I can’t watch them.

 

[dilbert99]

and pointing out that it continues to have a headphone jack for those who prefer a greater range of headphone options

"Courage" gets my respect for keeping the standard headphone jack.

 

[ROGmaster]

So that’s a no then because you haven’t linked to any of these postings..

Objectively the Snapdragon 670 is a very decent midrange ARM SOC(praised by most reviews). It's close to a Snapdragon 835 in CPU performance, it's efficient and it doesn't throttle much. In a phone running a near stock and very well optimized(by Google itself) Android version the performance will definitely be very good.
Claiming that the iphone 7 will be significantly faster is just wishful thinking. It will score some higher numbers in a few synthetic benchmarks but in day to day usage it will be hard to notice any significant performance differences. Also with that tiny little battery iphone 7 has it's not much of a power user phone anyway.

 

[The Game 161]

No, but I'm saying that the Xr is the inferior buy. If Apple is able to convince the buying public otherwise, that is there prerogative. It's really a shame that a phone that is inferior in basically every way to the competition (save for the processor and -- according to some people -- the OS) can be sold at $750 and people will eat it up. It's why we are where we are now -- $1000 iPhones.

But it’s not inferior if people would rather use IOS..could have all the features in the world but if it doesn’t perform like the iPhone then it’s not worth it to that user

 

[ROGmaster]

Ok, lets look at it like this, Android 85% of global Market iPhone and other have the rest 15% of something that has 85% of the global market is a larger number than 15%. Simple math bud

Well there are supposedly over 1.4billion iOS devices around the world.
How many Android devices would we have to take into consideration? Well over 3 billion I would say(taking in consideration that tens of millions of phones are sold in China each year).
So yeah there are a few quite important and obvious differences but anyway this is not the thing that matters the most, what matters is that Project Treble actually works and Google is on the right path.
Also Google is starting to push security updates through the Play Store and I don't think they will stop here.

 

[jeremiah256]

I love this time of year. It’s like placing Google, Microsoft, and Apple in an arena and screaming, “Amuse me! Bring me innovation!”

And Google’s TCAV research is very welcome. Bravo.

 

[kis]

Most people are stupid.

The internet will change, v 2.0 is coming, even the ones which created the internet as it is now condemn where it went is heading.
Hope it's rather sooner than later, fed up with all these companies collecting YOUR personal Data, even when you are not aware of it, like shadow profiles on Facebook, Google-Facebook amongst others are evil.

Can’t really do much about it, but switching to device makers that have a proven record of privacy protection is a possibility and honestly won’t even impact the user experience much. I’ve now started to take down the Nest cams and put them on eBay. Dug up two old Netatmo Welcomes. All video ist stored on the local SD cards and on my local FTP server. They tie in perfectly with HomeKit. Zero difference in user experience at all and nobody snooping.

Those who want cloud options: the Circle 2 stores video encrypted with your own device ID - it’s virtually impossible for Logitech to unencrypted that data. The cameras now also offer home / away detection, video quality has always been great on them.

As for the phone and voice control at home: choose Apple. It’s that simple.

Search engine: DuckDuckGo. Has a stupid name but works like a charm and won’t keep logs on you.

It’s really not a problem keeping your data as safe as possible, at least not for now.

 

[canadianreader]

I wish google (and other companies) were much more privacy focused. I'd love to explore alternatives to Apple for several different products/services but I prefer my data stay with me as much as possible... :/

Companies like Google, Facebook, Samsung, etc all seemingly want to take every single morsel of data they can glean from us and store it all indefinitely for marketing, advertising and research purposes. I'm happy to see google move away from that just ever so slightly by providing the option to remove data after set periods of time.

It’s a dilemma: more privacy and limited innovation or more innovation and no privacy.

 

[apolloa]

Objectively the Snapdragon 670 is a very decent midrange ARM SOC(praised by most reviews). It's close to a Snapdragon 835 in CPU performance, it's efficient and it doesn't throttle much. In a phone running a near stock and very well optimized(by Google itself) Android version the performance will definitely be very good.
Claiming that the iphone 7 will be significantly faster is just wishful thinking. It will score some higher numbers in a few synthetic benchmarks but in day to day usage it will be hard to notice any significant performance differences. Also with that tiny little battery iphone 7 has it's not much of a power user phone anyway.

Yeap and that was my point, but hey let people believe the iPhone 7 is faster.. my XR feels much faster then my iPad Pro 9.7” in daily use!

 

[LordVic]

Swipe gestures:

Dunno how early that one is, but BlackBerry had almost the identical gestures that the iPhoneX uses back in 2013 if not earlier.

the gesture based navigation system is cool. i'm a gesture fan. But there's nothing original about it on the iPhone