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Is it just me or is that clickwheel on the remote a copy of the apple remote? Me personally, i will just laugh when i see this being sold and go for the real deal instead.
 
Much as I’d love to agree without reservation, (and I promise you that despite being 95% Apple only for the last 10+ years, I will rip on Apple when I feel it’s deserved), are we sure the accusations are only one way?
I say this as I don;t frequent Android forums so I don’t know.

Well, I haven't heard any Google executives exclaiming 'copycat!' when Apple released a slew on Android features in iOS8 but just last week Jony was saying copying is akin to theft. I wonder what he thinks about the things that iOS have very liberally borrowed from other applications and OSes. Messaging is a good example of an application which borrowed heavily from WhatsApp, yet the WhatsApp founder merely tweeted that he appreciated the backhanded compliment. There wasn't an outcry saying Apple had 'stolen' features and that the WhatsApp owner had spent years developing it only for Apple to steal it.

I don't know, maybe it's just my perception but Apple seem to love throwing around the copying thing as if they're the cleanest most virtuous company when pretty much all the new features in the latest iPhones and iOS are 'borrowed'. You look at the messaging app, look at the 'extensions' feature, you look at the big iPhone, the OIS in the camera, external keyboards etc, all these have been borrowed and not necessarily improved.

I don't have a dog in this fight, I'm just a consumer who owns hardware from both platforms and appreciate the fact that both companies continue to push each other, but I also think it's pretty damn unfair and hypocritical for one side to lob abuse at the other for something that both parties do.
 
If this article is any indication I seriously doubt Apple has anything to worry about: http://appleinsider.com/articles/14...er-poor-graphics-performance-vs-iphone-6-plus.

It the same story every new release of an Android phone, great specs on paper but ultimately falls apart in real world usage. Apple seems to be able to do more with less specs. Somehow every Android phone manufacturer has never figured out to accomplish that, not even Google.

And now Google is trying to complete in the same price bracket with the Apple iPhone. Once it was the Google price advantage but now that is no longer the case. It certainly isn't the screen size advantage any longer either. The only Android phone manufacturer that made money was Samsung, not anymore. If anything, Google and the other Android manufacturers are the ones in deep *****. Apple has sold 30 million iPhones in the last couple of weeks, hardly a deep ***** situation.
Lol. It's 2014, not 2011 anymore. A <€200 Moto G is very fast and completely smooth. You can buy literally 4 Moto G's for every iPhone. It's Apple who is dropping the ball lately and is seemingly falling apart in real world usage nowadays.

Interestingly enough, the link you're providing says nothing about real world usage, yet you're arguing that real world usage on Android falls apart. Android is completely smooth nowadays. At least no less than an iPhone 6.
 
I'd like to see the 6+ get a boost to a true 3X resolution display so it didn't have to downscale 1242x2208, but otherwise the pixel density is adequate for now. I can't find the link but I've read that for an LCD display it's around 450 ppi when the efficiency nosedives, and 1242x2208 does indeed work out to 461 ppi at 5.5", so that's probably why Apple chose the downscaling method. It's likely more efficient to keep the GPU churning at downscaling than it is to add another 60 ppi.

As for the limits of human acuity, one expert believes we can benefit from displays up to about 450ppi at a viewing distance of 7.5". So the current 6+ seems to be a compromise between optimal resolution and battery life. With efficiency improvements they'll probably ditch the downscaling for a true 3X 461 ppi display. Maybe the 6S+?

You forgot to mention that those studies are NOT DONE WITH LCD'S or AMOLED displays. They're done with high contrast printed material under perfect lighting with people with similar good eyesight. Tha'ts one hell of a difference since no LCD or AMOLED display is comparable to that at all.

So, it is not clear at all that we'd see much of difference consistently over 400 if you could actually get the same device with both a 400ppi and 450ppi of the same type to test with and perform blind testing.

The only place something like that could show would be in black on white text, mostly seen in reading books, some web pages and sometimes the UI.

For the high contrast to exist, the screen should be pristine, right out of the factory, the angle of view straight on with no reflection off the screen and a high level of light from the display (so, observed in good light, but not outside).

As soon as any of these conditions are not met, you cannot have maximum contrast and it is very unlikely you could see the difference even with eagle eyes.

Ideally, compared phones should have identical light coming off the display (checked with a light meter), the same gamut and be calibrated the same, the same display technology and the same display construction (laminated versus not laminated). Often, it is preference for other aspects of a display which influenced how on display resolution is perceived as better. If they know one display has a higher resolution than the other, this alone can influence perception regardless of the actual performance of the display.

All that put together means that there may be a few situations with a select group of people were 450 is very slightly for them. But, even for them, it would be a small part of their overall user experience.

Real life is not the lab, and screens are not printed pages. Still a lot easier to read text off a printed page than a lcd screen.
 
Well, I haven't heard any Google executives exclaiming 'copycat!' when Apple released a slew on Android features in iOS8 but just last week Jony was saying copying is akin to theft. I wonder what he thinks about the things that iOS have very liberally borrowed from other applications and OSes. Messaging is a good example of an application which borrowed heavily from WhatsApp, yet the WhatsApp founder merely tweeted that he appreciated the backhanded compliment. There wasn't an outcry saying Apple had 'stolen' features and that the WhatsApp owner had spent years developing it only for Apple to steal it.

I don't know, maybe it's just my perception but Apple seem to love throwing around the copying thing as if they're the cleanest most virtuous company when pretty much all the new features in the latest iPhones and iOS are 'borrowed'. You look at the messaging app, look at the 'extensions' feature, you look at the big iPhone, the OIS in the camera, external keyboards etc, all these have been borrowed and not necessarily improved.

I don't have a dog in this fight, I'm just a consumer who owns hardware from both platforms and appreciate the fact that both companies continue to push each other, but I also think it's pretty damn unfair and hypocritical for one side to lob abuse at the other for something that both parties do.

Well yes, but Apple get the lions share of coverage so I suspect that the voices of others are not so loud.
 
ok, show of hands? I guess I'm ignorant as to why one would want to be able to have multiple user accounts on their Apple mobile devices. Ok, well maybe the iPads. Could somebody enlighten me as to why this would be a wanted feature?

You gave the answer yourself already :) .

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This phone has amazing stats: wireless charging, phone works on any carrier, turbo charging, beautiful design, small bezel, front facing speakers. The problem is the battery life on android phones are just not up to par with apple. Also, the phone is enormous.
Wrong on so many levels.

- It has no wireless charging
- Every phone works on any carrier to my understanding
- The Note 4 (same battery, same screen resolution, same soc) has better battery life than the iPhone 6+. Actually, iPhone battery life has been less than average (compared to Android phones) until the 6
- It's not enormous (unless you think the 6+ is enormous), it's almost the same size as the 6+
 
Well, I haven't heard any Google executives exclaiming 'copycat!' when Apple released a slew on Android features in iOS8 but just last week Jony was saying copying is akin to theft. I wonder what he thinks about the things that iOS have very liberally borrowed from other applications and OSes. Messaging is a good example of an application which borrowed heavily from WhatsApp, yet the WhatsApp founder merely tweeted that he appreciated the backhanded compliment. There wasn't an outcry saying Apple had 'stolen' features and that the WhatsApp owner had spent years developing it only for Apple to steal it.

I don't know, maybe it's just my perception but Apple seem to love throwing around the copying thing as if they're the cleanest most virtuous company when pretty much all the new features in the latest iPhones and iOS are 'borrowed'. You look at the messaging app, look at the 'extensions' feature, you look at the big iPhone, the OIS in the camera, external keyboards etc, all these have been borrowed and not necessarily improved.

I don't have a dog in this fight, I'm just a consumer who owns hardware from both platforms and appreciate the fact that both companies continue to push each other, but I also think it's pretty damn unfair and hypocritical for one side to lob abuse at the other for something that both parties do.

Most of those Android features were already in the Jailbreak IOS BEFORE they ended in IOS or even Android. Let alone the facts that most existed on other platforms (PC, notebook, laptops, PDAs) way before Android existed.

So, please spare with that. Android didn't invent computing BTW... And since most Android phones don't get those new fancy features.. (no upgrades) so even mentioning them as an universal plus is unseemly...

Myself, I don't really care which company introduces a software feature if it is well thought of.

Before IOS 7, Apple was slow in introducing features that existed on other platforms (and Android) to their phones. But, at the speed they're going now, it is Google who will need to up their speed.
 
Don't they understand? It's not the number of megaflops or pixel steroids or octopus cores or next flavour all day gob suckers that really interests anyone when you compare Scamscum phones with Apple phones.

It the whole Apple 'thing' that you get when you buy an iPhone, and you just don't get that with other phones, especially those from Scamscum.

I'm not sure how "jokes" such as Scamscum etc help your argumentation and your credibility.

Samsung gets it perfectly. They target a slightly different demographic than Apple with different orientations and interests. And it works because many people buy Samsung phones. It might not work from your personal perspective, but considering the fact that Samsung sells millions of phones I think they probably have a better understanding of how the mobile industry works than you do.
 
You gave the answer yourself already :) .

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Wrong on so many levels.

- It has no wireless charging
- Every phone works on any carrier to my understanding
- The Note 4 (same battery, same screen resolution, same soc) has better battery life than the iPhone 6+. Actually, iPhone battery life has been less than average (compared to Android phones) until the 6
- It's not enormous (unless you think the 6+ is enormous), it's almost the same size as the 6+

That's not what I saw from Anandtech. Selective memory? It has nearly 2h less battery life onWIFI, the same for 4G.

In the heaviest game is beats the Iphone by 40 minutes (20%) because of heavy trottling (it plays at 1/3 the frame rate of the Iphone 6+!!), which stays at full speed (50 FPS) until it dies.

The only place it is better is in charge time, mostly because of the higher amperage of the power supply of the charger. A Iphone 6+ with the Ipad charger charges in about the same time.
 
I'm happy with iPad's 11.7 hr battery life (iPad 2,4). That's almost double the Nexus Tablet. I prefer a device that lasts longer over one that lasts half the time but charges quickly. Especially when travelling, you don't always have access to a power point.

Looking forward to a new Apple TV. Hopefully one will be revealed tomorrow morning. :D
 
Most of those Android features were already in the Jailbreak IOS BEFORE they ended in IOS or even Android. Let alone the facts that most existed on other platforms (PC, notebook, laptops, PDAs) way before Android existed.

So, please spare with that. Android didn't invent computing BTW... And since most Android phones don't get those new fancy features.. (no upgrades) so even mentioning them as an universal plus is unseemly...

Myself, I don't really care which company introduces a software feature if it is well thought of.

Before IOS 7, Apple was slow in introducing features that existed on other platforms (and Android) to their phones. But, at the speed they're going now, it is Google who will need to up their speed.

That's exactly the point I made, buddy. These guys copy and borrow from each other. They iterate and iterate and the result is a better experience and product for the consumers. My beef is not who copies who because I believe both copy each other as much as they need to for their own benefit. My beef is who shouts the loudest when a good idea of theirs is copied and I feel it's Apple who does that, even though they're as guilty of copying as anyone else.
 
Nexus 6: don't like the design based on the Moto X and 6" is too big.

Nexus Player: not my kind of thing.

Nexus 9: I'll be getting either this or the new iPad Mini Retina.

I think Google should have kept LG as the maker of the Nexus smartphone. The Nexus 5 is a really great phone (my current phone) and much cheaper than what Nexus 6 is gonna be.

I only got my Nexus 5 yesterday. I've been deciding between an iPhone 6 or Nexus 5. I've owned an iPhone 3G, 3GS, 4, 4S, 5, 5S and 5C but I just can't go back to them anymore. Apple is seriously behind right now.

I'm just here for the iPad/MacBooks now.
 
That's exactly the point I made, buddy. These guys copy and borrow from each other. They iterate and iterate and the result is a better experience and product for the consumers. My beef is not who copies who because I believe both copy each other as much as they need to for their own benefit. My beef is who shouts the loudest when a good idea of theirs is copied and I feel it's Apple who does that, even though they're as guilty of copying as anyone else.

You do know Jony was complaining about physical designs being stolen to the point where the device look the same. You are taking something completely out of context.
 
I only got my Nexus 5 yesterday. I've been deciding between an iPhone 6 or Nexus 5. I've owned an iPhone 3G, 3GS, 4, 4S, 5, 5S and 5C but I just can't go back to them anymore. Apple is seriously behind right now.

I'm just here for the iPad/MacBooks now.

Behind on what? Best performing CPU/GPU, best battery life, best camera/video, only one with good biometrics, best integration of thier other devices, best rated screen, slimmest at this size, most good apps (including most top end apps), a whole suite of free productivity apps. IOS 8 has mostly feature parity with Android and exceeds in several areas, includng how smooth it runs (Android still not up to par despite 4+ cores and more memory)..

So, I'm guessing it is 1G of memory that affects you since that's the only significant difference I see. BTW, a lot of Android browsers are DOGs even with 4G of memory. So, all in all, good luck with your change and hope you won't mind everything else you lose.
 
Google seems to have encountered a numbering problem - they're trying to increment it like a version number but also match the number with the size of the screen. Erm, there's already a Nexus 7 so what they gonna do next year...

They keep pushing the boundaries, it's like razors, "now with 64 blades!" - 6" is just too big IMO. It's getting silly now. Glad I didn't hold out for it, as I was going to make a Nexus phone my next purchase (before deciding to defect back to Apple) but it'd have had to be a 5, which is old now.

Also, rather brave of Google to release these a day before Apple's. Trying to prove to us, I suppose, that they believe they sell themselves and don't need the hype that Apple products get. We'll see...
 
Behind on what? Best performing CPU/GPU, best battery life, best camera/video, only one with good biometrics, best integration of thier other devices, best rated screen, slimmest at this size, most good apps (including most top end apps), a whole suite of free productivity apps. IOS 8 has mostly feature parity with Android and exceeds in several areas, includng how smooth it runs (Android still not up to par despite 4+ cores and more memory)..

So, I'm guessing it is 1G of memory that affects you since that's the only significant difference I see. BTW, a lot of Android browsers are DOGs even with 4G of memory. So, all in all, good luck with your change and hope you won't mind everything else you lose.

Dude.... don't come in here talking all logical and stuff.... this is MR after all!
 
its just my opinion ,

your welcome to pay the money for it , but it won't see the sales the 5 did , which i thought was a great price.

i think its a bad move on google to command a iPhone price , its not in there deck of cards.

they should be selling 400$ phones and sell a load of them.

Apple will sue them since Apple invented the idea of stupidly overpricing phones.

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Google seems to have encountered a numbering problem - they're trying to increment it like a version number but also match the number with the size of the screen. Erm, there's already a Nexus 7 so what they gonna do next year...

They keep pushing the boundaries, it's like razors, "now with 64 blades!" - 6" is just too big IMO. It's getting silly now. Glad I didn't hold out for it, as I was going to make a Nexus phone my next purchase (before deciding to defect back to Apple) but it'd have had to be a 5, which is old now.

Also, rather brave of Google to release these a day before Apple's. Trying to prove to us, I suppose, that they believe they sell themselves and don't need the hype that Apple products get. We'll see...

You didn't mention price, or openness and interoperability, just to name a couple of things off the top of my head. Apple is wilting in its own overpriced walled garden, but with the level of cognitive dissonance in its customers and supporters (for example, your post), they don't quite realise it yet.
 
If Asus plans to compete with the dedicated consoles, they're destined to fail. I think if Apple came out with a dedicated console it would sell like hotcakes however.

It depends upon the software. One or two killer games exclusive on the platform and it will sell.
 
Behind on what? Best performing CPU/GPU, best battery life, best camera/video, only one with good biometrics, best integration of thier other devices, best rated screen, slimmest at this size, most good apps (including most top end apps), a whole suite of free productivity apps. IOS 8 has mostly feature parity with Android and exceeds in several areas, includng how smooth it runs (Android still not up to par despite 4+ cores and more memory)..



So, I'm guessing it is 1G of memory that affects you since that's the only significant difference I see. BTW, a lot of Android browsers are DOGs even with 4G of memory. So, all in all, good luck with your change and hope you won't mind everything else you lose.


Good question - I just switched from a Nexus 5 to an iPhone 6 Plus and the N5 is just completely antiquated in comparison
 
I am sorry. Would you please explain?

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