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That's not it. They definitely have big plans for Apple TV. The problem seems to be that their plans for it are just TOO big. they apparently want something that will upend the whole industry and change how people get TV content. The most persistent rumor about ATV in the last couple of years has been that they are trying to negotiate with content providers and cable companies to get popular premium cable channels directly to ATV, possibly without requiring cable TV subscription. This is of course extra hard and who knows if they'll manage it. The pending Time Warner/Comcast merger is also slowing things down according to rumors. But in the meantime they let ATV stagnate badly as they are probably saving any meaningful updates for that one "insanely great" product.
Nexus player has some features I've always wanted in my ATV such as unified content discovery. For 99$ I am thinking of giving it a try.

That's what I meant, Apple is struggling to find a way to get a cut of the current $ when it comes to TV. Until they can crack the licensing/rights/cluster**** that currently exists, its just a hobby.
 
Nexus 6: don't like the design based on the Moto X and 6" is too big.

Nexus Player: not my kind of thing.

Nexus 9: I'll be getting either this or the new iPad Mini Retina.

I think Google should have kept LG as the maker of the Nexus smartphone. The Nexus 5 is a really great phone (my current phone) and much cheaper than what Nexus 6 is gonna be.

I only got my Nexus 5 yesterday. I've been deciding between an iPhone 6 or Nexus 5. I've owned an iPhone 3G, 3GS, 4, 4S, 5, 5S and 5C but I just can't go back to them anymore. Apple is seriously behind right now.

I'm just here for the iPad/MacBooks now.
same here...;)
 
It's a lot harder to ignore an iPhone launch than it is another dime-a-dozen Android phone launch. That was the point I was trying to make. It has nothing to do with me "feeling good" about owning my iPhone.

Now that you mention all the bloatware and garbage that comes pre-loaded on most Android devices and the fact that they require 3x the power just to chug through the inefficient foundation on which they were designed, I do feel pretty good about owning my iPhone :)

Well if you are not an iphone user..... I guess you might tune in to see what MAJOR issue follows an iphone launch, apart from that, trust me android users do not care.

Geez, you never realised the apps that Apple forces you to have pre-installed on your phone have you? Both come with bloadware, good luck removing the apple ones though.

Using your logic, Windows users are the winners. Their OS requires the least hardware to run. Not sure when was the last time you tried a recent Android handset, they run smoothly. To be honest the nokia 930 i tried was smoother than my iphone.

Just enjoy your iphone mate, no need to payout the opposition to justify your choice. The nexus 6 is a nice Android handset.

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No idea what the context of the discussion is, though awesome pic!
 
Don't they understand? It's not the number of megaflops or pixel steroids or octopus cores or next flavour all day gob suckers that really interests anyone when you compare Scamscum phones with Apple phones.

It the whole Apple 'thing' that you get when you buy an iPhone, and you just don't get that with other phones, especially those from Scamscum.

Nice rant. On another thread it might even have been relevant!
 
You do know Jony was complaining about physical designs being stolen to the point where the device look the same. You are taking something completely out of context.

He did not talk about physical designs. He talks about copying in general. I just reread the quote to make sure.

Anyway, I wonder how he feels about people who say that the new, big iPhone looks quite similar to the two latest flagship phones from HTC; the similarities even extend to the antenna band and how it runs across the device.


The point is this: everyone copies one another, they are all trying to improve and create new products and experiences, it'd be best if they just got on with it rather than one company get on a high horse about copying even though they engage in similar behaviour to the rest.
 
It depends upon the software. One or two killer games exclusive on the platform and it will sell.

That's kinda what I'm thinking that tablet is more aimed at the nVidia shield that the iPad. The reality is that most people are pretty entrenched into what ever eco system they live in. If you combine that with contracts and subsidized pricing and general consumer apathy switchers are few and far between. The line up is kinda cool but generally not my thing kinda like the Apple line up currently. This has been an entertaining thread though!
 
Gotta say, I'm loving that turbo charging option.
However from my electric RC model experience (we're talking big, 50V high-discharge rate LiPo batteries), I guess the turbo-charging Will decrease battery capacity quite quickly if you use it a lot. Unfortunately most USB ports have quite small amperage so you'd only get benefits from using a dedicated charger.

Still, these look nice.
 
Because these companies aren't run by very bright people.

Google, Microsoft, and Samsung you mean? How can you possibly say these companies aren't run by 'bright' people?

Only master business people could ever achieve high ranking positions in such organisations.

Are you saying you are smarter than the leaders of those companies?
 
Behind on what? Best performing CPU/GPU, best battery life, best camera/video, only one with good biometrics, best integration of thier other devices, best rated screen, slimmest at this size, most good apps (including most top end apps), a whole suite of free productivity apps. IOS 8 has mostly feature parity with Android and exceeds in several areas, includng how smooth it runs (Android still not up to par despite 4+ cores and more memory)..

Behind on times, along with everything else. iOS is an aged operating system, and in my opinion it's really simplistic and old-fashioned compared to Android.

As a phone operating system, iOS is fairly crappy: while Android has a better dialer, better contacts management, better call log, better notifications, better messaging etc. As a smartphone, Android has better email, a better web browser, better voice recognition, better mobile data management, better multitasking, and excellent integration of Google services, in particular Search and Google Now (which is incredibly well implemented, useful and far slicker than anything Apple has). Generally, when you see how well apps cooperate and how easy is to do stuff in Android, you cannot believe how archaic and awkward is Apple's closed system.

Look at how Apple is trying to catch up with Android features: they advertise now, with much fanfare and self-back-slapping, that Siri has Shazam integration. Google Search had music (and film, actually) sound recognition for more than a year now, on Android. It just was there, among the zillion other features it has that the Apple iOS doesn't.

And yes, Android is perfectly smooth (even on my old Nexus 4, but you should see the now year-old Nexus 5). It's stuff like TouchWiz that seems to be half-baked. Productivity apps are not lacking either, or any other apps for that matter.

The thing is, if you'd remove every Google application from iOS, it wouldn't be an just old fashioned icon grid, but a largely useless one.

Apple is pretty good at making lifestyle (read: fashion) tech. Like B&O for example. They integrate other people's technology and sell essentially a very pretty (except for the iPhone 6es, which look like ugly Nokias to me) but essentially inferior products for a premium price.

Anyway, back on topic - the Nexus 9 looks fantastic. I'm really glad they filled the 4:3 aspect ratio, ~9" size tablet spot. If only they had released it last year...
 
That's what I meant, Apple is struggling to find a way to get a cut of the current $ when it comes to TV. Until they can crack the licensing/rights/cluster**** that currently exists, its just a hobby.

If Apple has plans for AppStore for Apple TV, it makes no sense to delay the new hardware because of those licensing/rights/whatever deals. Just release the hardware and new software with AppStore, and release a software update later which enables those features which depend of licensing/rights/whatever deals.
 
Google, Microsoft, and Samsung you mean? How can you possibly say these companies aren't run by 'bright' people?

Only master business people could ever achieve high ranking positions in such organisations.

Are you saying you are smarter than the leaders of those companies?
Steve Ballmer???? Total tool. Not a clue what to do with Microsoft. Explain that one batman!!
As for Samsung they let their marketing dept run wild with rediclous ads and press statements.
Not to mention the past CEO's is blackberry turns out they were not do smart.
 
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Wow...ridiculous

I'm sorry, but 4.7in for my phone screen is actually perfectly fine. Bigger is not better, but just right is best.
 
So why do competitors try to upstage Apple by releasing their wares a day before Apple? Upstaging Apple is impossible, and this ensures their announcement will be forgotten tomorrow. Why not wait until a month or more after the relevant Apple event once the hype has faded?

Naah, I don't think it pans out that way. They release the day before so that their potential customers have a mental checklist against which to judge Apple. Which is to say that, by releasing right before, competitors ensure relevance during the Apple announcement.

As a result, this will promote relevance post-Apple-announcement when the individuals who are slaves to their checklists or were looking for reasons to leave Apple start blogging or telling friends in an effort to validate their conclusions.

TL;DR: These announcements are designed and timed to capture Apple's (potential) deserters.
 
My next phone was either the iPhone 6 or Nexus 6. Very happy I chose the iP6 and decided to stay in Apple's ecosphere.
 
Steve Ballmer???? Total tool. Not a clue what to do with Microsoft. Explain that one batman!!
As for Samsung they let their marketing dept run wild with rediclous ads and press statements.
Not to mention the past CEO's is blackberry turns out they were not do smart.

Making bad decisions does not account for your intelligence.

Even Steve Ballmer who is quite possibly one of the worst CEO's of the last 10 years, is surely an intelligent man.

People don't get those positions in the first place without skill.

Are many industry leaders uninspired, out of touch, making mistakes and guessing the future market incorrectly? Definitely. But I doubt any of them aren't smarter than the average forum poster, myself included.

George Bush made tons of bad decisions, but to say he was unintelligent is pretentious.
 
I don't know if Apple is either being really bad at missing opportunities or really smart by letting others take all the risk.

I mean, we started hearing about iWatch rumours ages ago, and pretty much in direct response manufacturers began clamouring to release their own products, many of which have been underwhelming, giving Apple a chance to (hopefully) learn from their mistakes, i.e - if Apple had actually released a product not long after the rumours then they could have been the first to release a modern smart watch (there are some older, similar devices) but instead they've given others a big lead-time, yet have created their own device with an impressive amount of hype, even if I'm not enthusiastic about it personally.

The same is true with the Apple TV; ever since they moved it to be properly based on iOS they've had the platform to bring gaming to the Apple TV, as the work required is actually very small. In fact if they relied on users using an iPhone or iPad as a controller then they wouldn't even have needed new hardware, just some APIs to allow for integration of apps running across different devices (Continuity may even be part of such a system). This means Apple could have done this years ago, and there have been plenty of rumours to that end, yet they didn't, instead they've been beaten to it by Amazon, Sony, Google and others, but again being first isn't necessarily working out ideally either. So I'll be interested to see what Apple does when they eventually do add Apple TV gaming (I'm sure they will eventually).

So yeah, not sure if Apple is missing out by being late, or setting themselves up to win big by letting others make all the early mistakes.
 
So why do competitors try to upstage Apple by releasing their wares a day before Apple? Upstaging Apple is impossible, and this ensures their announcement will be forgotten tomorrow. Why not wait until a month or more after the relevant Apple event once the hype has faded?

Unless they feel they're product will be soo successful and popular that it will sway an Apple customer away, it may not make any difference.

Look at the demand and "wait" that people are doing for that iphone right now. If they were to wait, they may not even be really heard.
 
So yeah, not sure if Apple is missing out by being late, or setting themselves up to win big by letting others make all the early mistakes.

They tend to be known for the latter. Apple are rarely if ever first to market - they bide their time and do things when and if they figure out how to do them "properly", even if that means doing it differently or not doing it at all.

I think the best example of this was the netbook craze, which they avoided altogether - but didn't ignore. The desire for ultra-portable computing combined with the lessons learned from those slow and hard-to-type-on netbooks then clearly inspired the MacBook Air and iPad.
 
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