Google Login Chief Lauds Apple Sign In as 'Better for the Internet,' Says Google's Sign In Feature Doesn't Collect Data Either

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Apple last week unveiled a new Sign In with Apple option, offering up a convenient, privacy-focused alternative to sign-in options from companies like Google, Facebook, and Twitter.

    Apple collects no data and provides little data to the apps and websites you use with the feature, and it even offers an option to keep your email safe. In an interview with The Verge, Google product management director Mark Risher, who oversees Google's secure sign in tool, shared his thoughts on Apple's new feature.


    Risher says that Google's own tool is not as data hungry as it was made out to be, and that it's not used for advertising or re-targeting. "There was a bunch of innuendo wrapped around the release that suggested that only one of them is pure and the rest of them are kind of corrupt, and obviously I don't like that," he said.

    The only moment logged is the moment of authentication, according to Risher, info that's not distributed anywhere. Risher also suggested Apple's feature is more invasive because it will be logging emails received from companies when the email obscuring feature is used. "We'll see how the details work out," he said.

    Risher went on to explain that Google tries to "set a very high bar" but is judged by the "worst behavior" in the Android ecosystem. He said the innuendo from Apple that Google's tool is less privacy focused "was a little annoying" because Google is "trying to really hold [itself] to a high standard."

    Ultimately, Risher said that he believes the technology will make people safer.
    Risher likened log-in protection offered by Google and Apple to storing money in a bank to alleviate fears people might have about having all of their login data handled by a single company like Apple or Google.
    Risher's full interview with is available on The Verge website and is worth checking out, but Google today is also making its own privacy-focused feature announcement for iOS users - the ability to use an Android smartphone as a two-factor verification key for logging into Google accounts.

    Starting today, iPhone and iPad users with an Android smartphone can use the Android security key feature to verify their logins to Google accounts from the Android device.


    The feature utilizes Google's Smart Lock App as part of a two-step verification system designed to keep Google accounts safer. After the security key feature is added to an Android device, it can be set up to pair with the iPhone to confirm logins over Bluetooth.

    Article Link: Google Login Chief Lauds Apple Sign In as 'Better for the Internet,' Says Google's Sign In Feature Doesn't Collect Data Either
  2. Cosmosent macrumors 6502a


    Apr 20, 2016
    La Jolla, CA
  3. bpa1093 macrumors member

    Feb 17, 2008
    San Diego
  4. now i see it macrumors 68040

    Jan 2, 2002
  5. TSE, Jun 12, 2019
    Last edited: Jun 12, 2019

    TSE macrumors 68030


    Jun 25, 2007
    St. Paul, Minnesota

    *catches breath*

  6. Heelpir8 macrumors member

    Feb 13, 2019
    Yeah. Sure thing, Mark.
  7. JetTester macrumors 6502

    Feb 12, 2014
    “Trust me, I am not a liar. Google doesn’t want any of your information.”
  8. twocents, Jun 12, 2019
    Last edited: Jun 12, 2019

    twocents macrumors regular


    Mar 31, 2016
    California, USA
    Yes, but that means they log when you log in, how often you log in, and possibly where on a map you logged in. It’s pretty easy with that data to pick up on user habits, but you know nothing to see here.
    Well they could’ve spared themselves the *annoyance* by, you know, engaging in more moral policies that would not have left users with the perception that Google may not be the most trustworthy.
  9. genovelle macrumors 6502a

    May 8, 2008
    They are and don’t hide it. They could always depend on people caring more about free than reading the fine print or watching an interview. The trying not to cross the creepy line comment is when they lost me. They only change their tune when caught or called out enough
  10. MEJHarrison macrumors 65816

    Feb 2, 2009
    I understand him being upset. I would be too in his situation. But he needs to understand when you've been caught with your hand in the cookie jar, over and over and over and over and over, people aren't really going to trust you going forward. Also, it's Google. Just because they're not using that data today doesn't give me confidence that they won't at some future point. Sucky position to be in, but surely he must understand why.
  11. Scooz macrumors 6502


    Apr 9, 2012
    I’ll add the idea of using the local mafia outlet as a bank, to complete that picture.
  12. killawat macrumors 65816

    Sep 11, 2014
    There are hundreds of things that Apple Google and Facebook (and even Amazon) could go after each other, privacy wise, oauth/federated authentication is not one of them. Apple would not offer federated auth if others weren't as well. Despite privacy implications, oauth has prevented numerous users by removing a credential set that would have otherwise been taken in a breach of an ill designed web app.

    At the very least, why not call out facebook instead, where the app in question is usually granted access to your friends list in order to use your facebook login.
  13. BornAgainMac macrumors 603


    Feb 4, 2004
    Florida Resident
    Before the keynote, I was thinking the Street View clone was going to be the big news along with Dark Mode. With all the other improvements like the death of iTunes and this Login feature, this was a really great update from Apple this year overall.
  14. Classie macrumors regular

    Nov 3, 2018
    “...but is judged by the "worst behavior" in the Android ecosystem“

    Exactly as it should be!!
  15. dannyyankou macrumors G3


    Mar 2, 2012
    Scarsdale, NY
  16. macfacts macrumors 68040


    Oct 7, 2012
    Apple's marketing works. So many are fooled.
  17. MisterSavage macrumors 6502a


    Nov 10, 2018
    When you select that you want to use Google sign in there's an interim step where they show the information that will be shared with the company you'd be signing it via Google. I've noticed the type of information shared can vary. I've been really uncomfortable with some of them and halted the signup.
  18. Homerpalooza macrumors member


    Nov 11, 2008
    Austin, TX
    When monetizing customers personal information is exactly what your developers want (the product is not the app, the product is YOU), then the more you make it possible for your customers to hand over all your information, the more you differentiate yourself as the "environment" to program in.

    Google could say "Hey, I know you could take advantage of all of this lose code, to track your users, get access to their microphones and cameras, look through their pictures, and know their location. And while we recognize that is super valuable, we don't recommend you use it in any way to monetize it without the user saying "accept"

    Google didn't give away your information. You did. They just don't close the door to make sure that you have an option to not give away information.
  19. Timemaster macrumors member

    Feb 7, 2019
    Honestly I am inclined to believe Google here. It would not be the first time nor the last time Apple twisted the truth big time for their own game.

    The one change I would like is Google to add in the random email address. Mostly so I can see who the offender is and the proceed to block it.
  20. Textime macrumors regular

    Jan 25, 2016
    Apple is smart. They recognized, that competing with new features isn’t a thing a anymore since Android and iOS are getting similar and similar.
    The key thing is now privacy.
  21. keysofanxiety macrumors G3


    Nov 23, 2011
    You do realise that this whole "Google does not respect your privacy" thing wasn't born from Apple propaganda but from countless privacy violations by Google, right?
  22. Frontline macrumors newbie

    Aug 7, 2018
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Google being judged by the "worst behavior" in the Google ecosystem?
  23. nt5672 macrumors 68000

    Jun 30, 2007
    I think right here, right now, this guy is probably correct. However, we know that the Google DNA is to sell their soul for more money.

    The problem is that next year or whenever when they need more money, they'll find a way to mine your google login.

    It will start with some simple tracking to improve security, to protect the children, or to support law enforcement. Then when no one is looking they'll start selling it. When a company has no morals, they have no morals. Now I am not confused enough to believe that Apple has the canonical definition of morality, but they are at least one step above Google, who is a bunch of steps above facebook.
  24. lec0rsaire macrumors 65816

    Feb 23, 2017
    Uh huh. You really think I’m going to fall for this BS?
  25. jk1211 macrumors 6502

    Sep 13, 2018
    It has to do with core philosophies not marketing.

    Google gives you all of these free services, sells no real products (Nest now and some pixels), so how are they worth billions and where does their cash come from? Selling data as they are in the ad and search business. Even the huge ad business needs user metrics to know who to target.

    Apple's cashflow was mostly from hardware and now is split with services like TV and icloud. Apple doesnt need to collect data they arent in the data or search engine business.

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