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those aren't privacy violations. Those maybe an abuse of what data is collected from you, But so far none of these result in 3rd parties gaining access to your private data.

In all of these cases Google is the third party that gathers privacy-related data against the will and/or without the knowledge of the user.
 
Name some?

We can debate the validity of Google having the amount of data on us that they do, or their abuse of that data to sell us more ads.

But I have yet to see any gross breaches of data by Google. I trust Apple more for privacy than google due to the sheer amount of data google has. But there is not a list of countless privacy violations by them

you're probably thinking of Facebook and it's umbrella of companies that have a very, VERY long history of data breaches and data exfiltration.

Sooo yeah, The whole Apple propaganda thing? Ya bought it hook line and sinker ;)

You’re being pedantic by limiting Google behavior only to data breaches. I don’t need to hear of a data breach to know I shouldn’t trust Google. I can make a decision based on the numerous violations they’ve had in the past regarding data collection.

For example, Google discovered an exploit in Safari. Instead of notifying Apple of the exploit they chose to write malware to take advantage of it and continue tracking users. I consider that a privacy violation, not a data collection violation, because they collected data about me without my consent. That is essentially stealing.
 
In all of these cases Google is the third party that gathers privacy-related data against the will and/or without the knowledge of the user.

I'm wondering if the Terms of Services are different in the US versus Canada to adhere to our laws up here, Because I do review my Google data regularly and so far they haven't deviated from what their TOS up here says they collect. This is a requirement by our laws. Companies cannot collect any data that they have not explicitly asked permission for.
 
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Apple's marketing works. So many are fooled.

It’s the best there is..

Google just does its own thing.
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I'm wondering if the Terms of Services are different in the US versus Canada to adhere to our laws up here, Because I do review my Google data regularly and so far they haven't deviated from what their TOS up here says they collect. This is a requirement by our laws. Companies cannot collect any data that they have not explicitly asked permission for.

Yes, the laws and data protection acts they must adhere to, if people don’t like the way they act they should complain with their vote or to parliament, not on an Internet forum.
 
I’m really curious about this logging emails thing that he said. Is he trying to imply that Apple is logging our email addresses to be able to forward our messages to us or that they are literally keeping a record of the actual emails we receive.
And how is that any different than all the stuff that Google supposedly stores about us when we have a gmail account or any kind of google sign in in their systems.
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The greatest thing about this feature is that if a site is breached, they won't have your email. It's so simple, it's genius.

It’s the same game as Apple Pay. They will have only your email for that one site. Just like they only have your ‘card number’ from that one use (cause the number has a second set of digits that is unique to each transaction)
 
Apple is in the targeted advert business. Read your terms of service.

They are to the extent they need to be to offer developers an option to embed ads into their apps. But, targeted advertisements are not the major revenue source for Apple. As a result, Google actively works to collect as much data as it can and Apple moves in the opposite direction.

I'm wondering if the Terms of Services are different in the US versus Canada to adhere to our laws up here, Because I do review my Google data regularly and so far they haven't deviated from what their TOS up here says they collect. This is a requirement by our laws. Companies cannot collect any data that they have not explicitly asked permission for.

The problem isn't so much the "rules" but the adherence to them. Keep in mind that Google's dashboard shows you what Google allows it to show you so it may not be truly authoritative. The reality is we'll end up needing verifiable third party audits that ensure the privacy policies and laws are actually being adhered to, but things are still too early for this.

Facebook as been found many times to have been collecting data that they said wasn't being collected or even doing so in ways that defy industry norms and best practices.
 
Sorry, he isn’t “quoting” anyone, despite putting the text is quotation marks (he has no attribution). It is clearly intended as parody, and would not be actionable here in the U.S. (and from my understanding, would be an unlikely winner in the U.K., France and even Canada).

I was obviously joking with some context to law.
 
When monetizing customers personal information is exactly what your developers want (the product is not the app, the product is YOU), then the more you make it possible for your customers to hand over all your information, the more you differentiate yourself as the "environment" to program in.

Google could say "Hey, I know you could take advantage of all of this lose code, to track your users, get access to their microphones and cameras, look through their pictures, and know their location. And while we recognize that is super valuable, we don't recommend you use it in any way to monetize it without the user saying "accept"

Google didn't give away your information. You did. They just don't close the door to make sure that you have an option to not give away information.


ummm, yah? the guy that stole your car didn't steal it, you gave it away by not using Lojack
 
Sooo...two months until Google releases a statement that a “configuration error” allowed data collection up until the day of this statement?

I don’t trust Google, period.
 
With all due respect, if you had to trust your personal data to Apple or Google, which one would you pick? Apple is a no brainer pick for me.
I do not think anyone would question that but when you break down your choices of data
Apple is number 1 with Google being number 2. It is a step down to Google but not a massive one.
Next would be Amazon which is a massive step down from Google. This followed by Facebook which is another massive step down from amazon.

Of big players in forms of trush
1. Apple
2. Google
a Very distant 3rd. Amazon
Light years behind 3rd in 4th. Facebook.
 
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So far I have used my email and a password to create new accounts or log into services. I trust Apple more in this case (especially with masking my real email feature) than the other usual suspects.

Do you guys know a way to move my accounts away from "separate email account" to "sign in with Apple" when it becomes available?
 
So far I have used my email and a password to create new accounts or log into services. I trust Apple more in this case (especially with masking my real email feature) than the other usual suspects.

Do you guys know a way to move my accounts away from "separate email account" to "sign in with Apple" when it becomes available?

This will just likely be you creating a new account using the sign in with Apple. Unless the developer offers it as an option within their site or app. There isn’t any automated tool that I am aware of that does this.
 
i love this email masking feature i'm excited to use it however i can see password resets are going to be tough if you have to remember the email you used to create an account. Wonder how this will work ?
 
Apple automatically sends all your search requests to Google.

Could you please be more specific? If I'm doing a Google search in Safari, I'm sort of hoping that do send along my search request. Otherwise, the whole "searching" part of that workflow just falls apart. So I'm either missing your point or you don't really have one.
 
Apple automatically sends all your search requests to Google. Apple sold you out for $9 billion. Either apple trusts google with their user data or apple is a sell out.
Where are you forced to use Google search in iOS or macOS?
 
Could you please be more specific? If I'm doing a Google search in Safari, I'm sort of hoping that do send along my search request. Otherwise, the whole "searching" part of that workflow just falls apart. So I'm either missing your point or you don't really have one.

When apple talks about Google collecting user data, this is the data they are talking about.
 
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When apple talks about Google collecting user data, this is the data they are talking about.

That's still fairly vague. If you're referring to my "search requests", that's a necessary evil. You can't search the web unless you know what the user is attempting to find. Therefore, Apple needs to send Google those search requests. If Apple did NOT send search requests, Google would either have to send back nothing, or just a bunch of random links that have nothing to do with what the user wanted to find.

So again, you're going to have to be more clear about what data Apple is sharing with Google. If it's just search results, then you're really muddying the water by accusing Apple of performing a necessary duty. If it's something else, you'll need to be clear about that with some supporting evidence.
 
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