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Apple's marketing works. So many are fooled.
Fooled how? Google has always maintained that their invasive model was fine because no one complained about it. Only after governments around the world started asking the same question we Apple people have been for years, did Google and others start changing how they do data. I’ve had Googlites to tell me point blank they don’t care since the don’t break the law.
 
It has to do with core philosophies not marketing.

Google gives you all of these free services, sells no real products (Nest now and some pixels), so how are they worth billions and where does their cash come from? Selling data as they are in the ad and search business. Even the huge ad business needs user metrics to know who to target.

Apple's cashflow was mostly from hardware and now is split with services like TV and icloud. Apple doesnt need to collect data they arent in the data or search engine business.

Apple has fooled you into believing google sells user data when they provide an ad service. Google collects and mines that user data but doesn't sell that information. Google uses that information to decide which ads to display.

Most people are fine with google collecting non sensitive information. Stop with the lies to get people angry.
 
Apple has fooled you into believing google sells user data when they provide an ad service. Google collects and mines that user data but doesn't sell that information. Google uses that information to decide which ads to display.

Most people are fine with google collecting non sensitive information. Stop with the lies to get people angry.

Oh please
 
Before the keynote, I was thinking the Street View clone was going to be the big news along with Dark Mode. With all the other improvements like the death of iTunes and this Login feature, this was a really great update from Apple this year overall.
Yeah, to bad they had to even build it. They had a partner that they invested a lot of time an energy into building Mobile Maps buy they decided to use that app as a weapon against Apple by limiting features like this and turn by turn to instead compete against them.
 
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Google plays fast and loose with what they mean by how they are using the data. He admits that Googe tracks where you sign in and we're expected to take their word on how that data is used. Even if they are accurate today they can update their policies at anytime and it would be backtracked to cover all the data they've collected to date.

Just like how Google is now gimping ad blockers in Chrome to minimize harm to their core business model now that they have a commanding marketshare lead. They will do what they can with collected data to serve their core profit center - targeted advertising.

People often push back against the federated model, saying we're putting all our eggs into one basket. It sort of rolls off the tongue, but I think it's the wrong metaphor. A better metaphor might be a bank. There are two ways to store your hundred dollars: you could spread it around the house, putting one dollar in each drawer, and some under your mattress and all of that. Or you could put it in a bank, which is one basket, but it's a basket that is protected by 12-inch thick steel doors. That seems like the better option!

This isn't a valid analogy though... Two main reason why it isn't...

1. Banks are insured by the Federal Government against deposit losses so your money is guaranteed safer. Without external audits we're expected to trust that companies have implemented this technology in a way that is safer. I'd wager that Google and Apple have, but we don't have any guaranteed protections for if the didn't.

2. Bank accounts can be closed and money moved without issue. We don't yet have a way to transfer your "Google Account" third party sign-in accounts over to Apple or etc. so consumers are more locked in. I'd trust Apple more than Google in the scenario, but the reality is still the same. Your eggs are in one basket since you can't easily export and change.
 
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It has to do with core philosophies not marketing.

Google gives you all of these free services, sells no real products (Nest now and some pixels), so how are they worth billions and where does their cash come from? Selling data as they are in the ad and search business. Even the huge ad business needs user metrics to know who to target.

Apple's cashflow was mostly from hardware and now is split with services like TV and icloud. Apple doesnt need to collect data they arent in the data or search engine business.

Apple is in the targeted advert business. Read your terms of service.
 
You do realise that this whole "Google does not respect your privacy" thing wasn't born from Apple propaganda but from countless privacy violations by Google, right?

Name some?

We can debate the validity of Google having the amount of data on us that they do, or their abuse of that data to sell us more ads.

But I have yet to see any gross breaches of data by Google. I trust Apple more for privacy than google due to the sheer amount of data google has. But there is not a list of countless privacy violations by them

you're probably thinking of Facebook and it's umbrella of companies that have a very, VERY long history of data breaches and data exfiltration.

Sooo yeah, The whole Apple propaganda thing? Ya bought it hook line and sinker ;)
 
Honestly I am inclined to believe Google here. It would not be the first time nor the last time Apple twisted the truth big time for their own game.

The one change I would like is Google to add in the random email address. Mostly so I can see who the offender is and the proceed to block it.
Maybe all the countries Suing Google over privacy violation. Maybe it’s because until all the fallout this year, Apple was the only one willing to even mention privacy. Their own executives and board members belittled the whole concept of privacy as nothing.
 
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I’m struggling to understand why I should care what a Google project manager thinks about Apple’s new sign-in feature.

Because Apple called out Google in their keynote and implied that Google's sign in method was unsafe. This was just Google trying to set the record straight that their sign in model is safe.

Whther you chose to believe him or not is up to you. But if Apple is going to make bold claims about their competition, you should damn well expect their competition to respond.
 
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Name some?

We can debate the validity of Google having the amount of data on us that they do, or their abuse of that data to sell us more ads.

But I have yet to see any gross breaches of data by Google. I trust Apple more for privacy than google due to the sheer amount of data google has. But there is not a list of countless privacy violations by them

you're probably thinking of Facebook and it's umbrella of companies that have a very, VERY long history of data breaches and data exfiltration.

Sooo yeah, The whole Apple propaganda thing? Ya bought it hook line and sinker ;)

There's three for you. :)

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/11/30/uk-lawsuit-alleges-google-tracked-safari-users/
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/08/13/google-location-history-disabled-still-stores-data/
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/08/22/android-sends-data-google-10-times-ios-to-apple/
 

those aren't privacy violations. Those maybe an abuse of what data is collected from you, But so far none of these result in 3rd parties gaining access to your private data.

So far, as far as I know (And I could be wrong), There is no history of Google leaking or losing your private data to non-google resources.

Again, you can make a valid claim about how much data. How they collect it, and how intrusive that collecton is. But that is not the same as saying Google has privacy issues or has a history of having private data released.
 
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those aren't privacy violations. Those maybe an abuse of what data is collected from you, But so far none of these result in 3rd parties gaining access to your private data.

Okay, so let's get this straight:

1) User intentionally turns off tracking for an app
2) User intentionally turns off location history for an app
3) Company in question still collects this data, despite the user's wilful non-consent

But apparently that's... data abuse, not privacy violation?

I dunno. I think you might be splitting hairs.
 
You may want to take it easy with the quotes. That's libel if he never said that homie.

Sorry, he isn’t “quoting” anyone, despite putting the text is quotation marks (he has no attribution). It is clearly intended as parody, and would not be actionable here in the U.S. (and from my understanding, would be an unlikely winner in the U.K., France and even Canada).
 
Okay, so let's get this straight:

1) User intentionally turns offs tracking for an app
2) User intentionally turns off location history for an app
3) Company in question still collects this data, despite the user's wilful non-consent

But apparently that's... data abuse, not privacy violation?

I dunno. I think you might be splitting hairs.

Not splitting hairs. Using specific terms that mean something.

the actions describe are ****. And really make me question Google's willingness to collect all things in the name of profit. But that in itself is not generally considered

One is the invasion of privacy, a tort based in common law allowing an aggrieved party to bring a lawsuit against an individual who unlawfully intrudes into his or her private affairs, discloses his or her private information, publicizes him or her in a false light, or appropriates his or her name for personal gain.

I'll give you that it could be considered intrusion into private affairs, but it is not the rest of the definition of privacy violation.

Up here in Canada, we have a very strict privacy regulation for corporations to follow (PIPEDA). And so far, Google has managed to stay within those lines and So far, there have been no cases of Google violating this policy.

Google does NOT sell your data. Google must get consent before collecting data. Google must make available to users all data of their own. Google cannot use data outside of what they say they use it for up front.

So according to our own laws, so far Google has not yet committed a privacy violation or leaked any personal data.

So you can call it splitting hairs. But I'm not trying to layer innuendo about another person or company in order to slander them like Apple attempted to do at the keynote.

This shouldn't change whether or not you believe Google over-reaches in their collection. Thats entirely personal, and I will even agree with you that there's gross overreach and they just don't NEED that much. But to claims a long history of privacy violations is exactly the propaganda Apple was hoping for.
 
Not splitting hairs. Using specific terms that mean something.

the actions describe are ****. And really make me question Google's willingness to collect all things in the name of profit. But that in itself is not generally considered



I'll give you that it could be considered intrusion into private affairs, but it is not the rest of the definition of privacy violation.

Up here in Canada, we have a very strict privacy regulation for corporations to follow (PIPEDA). And so far, Google has managed to stay within those lines and So far, there have been no cases of Google violating this policy.

Google does NOT sell your data. Google must get consent before collecting data. Google must make available to users all data of their own. Google cannot use data outside of what they say they use it for up front.

So according to our own laws, so far Google has not yet committed a privacy violation or leaked any personal data.

So you can call it splitting hairs. But I'm not trying to layer innuendo about another person or company in order to slander them like Apple attempted to do at the keynote.

This shouldn't change whether or not you believe Google over-reaches in their collection. Thats entirely personal, and I will even agree with you that there's gross overreach and they just don't NEED that much. But to claims a long history of privacy violations is exactly the propaganda Apple was hoping for.

TL;DR: so it's only a privacy violation if the data they collected on you somehow gets leaked. Otherwise it's fine.

Gotcha.
 
You just need to take a look at the data that Google stores about you at account.google.com to see how ludicrous his statement is. Maybe the login itself doesn't collect any data (though that's hard to believe), but Google as a whole is focused on collecting as much information about the people who uses its services.
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Honestly I am inclined to believe Google here. It would not be the first time nor the last time Apple twisted the truth big time for their own game.

The one change I would like is Google to add in the random email address. Mostly so I can see who the offender is and the proceed to block it.

Good for you. Let us know how that works out.
 
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those aren't privacy violations. Those maybe an abuse of what data is collected from you, But so far none of these result in 3rd parties gaining access to your private data.

So far, as far as I know (And I could be wrong), There is no history of Google leaking or losing your private data to non-google resources.

Again, you can make a valid claim about how much data. How they collect it, and how intrusive that collecton is. But that is not the same as saying Google has privacy issues or has a history of having private data released.

Google has a history of collecting personal information about its users that goes far beyond what is required to provide the services users sign up for. The fact that a third party has not accessed it is irrelevant.
 
Okay, so let's get this straight:

1) User intentionally turns off tracking for an app
2) User intentionally turns off location history for an app
3) Company in question still collects this data, despite the user's wilful non-consent

But apparently that's... data abuse, not privacy violation?

I dunno. I think you might be splitting hairs.

Don’t you see?? It’s obvious that collecting data in unsavory ways isn’t a privacy violation.... that’s just data abuse. Data that they wouldn’t have if the company respected the users requested privacy.

The one that really irked me was even more recent, the Google Plus debacle. The fact that there was a breach and they consulted with their lawyers, who basically was like.. nope, don’t disclose that. Later they were caught, and they ended up moving up the google plus death date.

https://www.experian.com/blogs/ask-experian/google-data-breach-what-you-need-to-know/


For the same thing, even USA Today called it a privacy breach:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech...ing-down-aftermath-privacy-breach/1567981002/
 
You just need to take a look at the data that Google stores about you at account.google.com to see how ludicrous his statement is. Maybe the login itself doesn't collect any data (though that's hard to believe), but Google as a whole is focused on collecting as much information about the people who uses its services.


I went and looked for the official verbiage. He's not mentioning how when you use sign in with Google that the site/app can request access to data in any Google Service you use. I'm definitely looking forward to sign in with Apple.

Here's what it says:
Using Google to sign in to a third-party site or app
What information does Google share with these sites or apps?

These third-party sites or apps can request the name, email address, and profile picture associated with your account.

Why Google shares this information
This information makes it possible to connect your Google Account with a third-party app or site.

For example, you could connect your Google Account with a third-party music app. That way, you could play your favorite playlists using your Google Home.

Your Google Account email address is used to:

  • Check if you have an existing account with a third-party app or site.
  • Connect your Google Account to an account you already have with a third-party app or site.
  • Create an account with a third-party app or site that’s connected to your Google Account.
Third-party apps or sites may use this information in other ways as described in their privacy policy or elsewhere.


What other information does Google share with these sites or apps?

Separate from the profile information you provide when you sign in, a site or app can request permission to access data in any of the Google services you use. When a site or app requests access to other data in your account, you’ll have a chance to review what level of access it’s requesting before you decide. You should grant permission only if you trust the site or app.
 
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