Google Login Chief Lauds Apple Sign In as 'Better for the Internet,' Says Google's Sign In Feature Doesn't Collect Data Either

[I7guy]

Lol, we know exactly why google pays apple $9 billion in 2018 and $12 billion in 2019.

"Google will reportedly pay Apple $9 billion in 2018 and $12 billion in 2019 to remain as Safari’s default search engine, according to Business Insider."...

..."“We believe Apple is one of the biggest channels of traffic acquisition for Google,” the report said, according to Business Insider."...

[*]http://fortune.com/2018/09/29/google-apple-safari-search-engine/

If you really don't have a clue why they pay apple billions its time to educate yourself on the issue.

It really seems like there must be some misunderstanding of internet protocols. You are aware (or maybe you aren’t) that Apple isn’t passing any information to google the user hasn’t input into google and that the payment doesn’t change anything about the data interchange between safari and the website.

 

[falainber]

You do realise that this whole "Google does not respect your privacy" thing wasn't born from Apple propaganda but from countless privacy violations by Google, right?

Do name a few of those "countless privacy violations by Google". I am really curious.

 

[will_is_here]

Do name a few of those "countless privacy violations by Google". I am really curious.

Google reads your emails. I book a rail trip to Bath, having typed the url of the rail site, and planned the route using Apple Maps. I buy the tickets and a confirmation email gets sent to my gmail account. Minutes later I start seeing ads for hotel accommodation in Bath for dates scraped off of my personal email.
That whole schtick about how Apple's proxy mail servers are less private is a bunch of bunkum, since Google logs your emails anyway.

 

[nouveau_redneck]

Either he is brainwashed or a lying sack of ****. Everything G does has the goal of collecting and mining data.

 

[sracer]

“...but is judged by the "worst behavior" in the Android ecosystem“

Exactly as it should be!!

I don't agree. A platform shouldn't be judged by the worst behavior in an ecosystem (because if that was the measure, the iOS ecosystem wouldn't be much above the Android line)... but by what the boundaries are for the ecosystem, and how well, and how consistently those boundaries are enforced.

 

[falainber]

Google reads your emails. I book a rail trip to Bath, having typed the url of the rail site, and planned the route using Apple Maps. I buy the tickets and a confirmation email gets sent to my gmail account. Minutes later I start seeing ads for hotel accommodation in Bath for dates scraped off of my personal email.
That whole schtick about how Apple's proxy mail servers are less private is a bunch of bunkum, since Google logs your emails anyway.

That's not a privacy violation. It's in terms of their service. It is also a useful service. Instead of being inundated with useless ads people are server with ads that at least have a chance to be useful. The important part is nobody actually gets access to information where you are going. Your privacy is protected.

 

[RicD]

English is such a strange language. The article reads “...Apple collects no data ...”, okay what is the “no data” Apple collects? The article clearly say Apple collects no data thus no data is something being collected. Maybe it should read “...Apple does not collect data...”, wow, that statement is abundantly clear. When did no replace, does not, can not, has not, and the like? Maybe it is monkey see monkey do, as in poor grammar everyone is using thus I must do the same. English is such a strange language.

 

[truthertech]

You’re on the wrong forum if you’re trying to spread the word. Try being more proactive on non Apple forums

The truth is of value everywhere. Although now in the distinct minority, there are still Apple users who use Google products like gmail (they scan every email sent or received), Google maps (they keep a record of everywhere you and your family go), but don't realize what Google is up to, etc. There are also very many Apple users who think they are protected against Google by not using their products, but don't use tracker blockers and are thus still being victimized by Google.

 

[EVGabe]

Pretending like Google cares about your privacy and the security around your personal information: priceless.

I’m very happy with the upcoming Connect with Apple feature.

 

[ipponrg]

The truth is of value everywhere. Although now in the distinct minority, there are still Apple users who use Google products like gmail (they scan every email sent or received), Google maps (they keep a record of everywhere you and your family go), but don't realize what Google is up to, etc. There are also very many Apple users who think they are protected against Google by not using their products, but don't use tracker blockers and are thus still being victimized by Google.

Apparently you didn’t disable the tracking off Google via their settings. Google doesn’t sell your data directly. The reading your email really depends which side you take. Google does scan your email to target ads and to help make their products better. If you are using a 3rd party service and worried about being a victim, then don’t use the service.

As a paranoid as you sound, you mind as well not use the internet, buy burner phones, and pay with cash. Thinking Apple is salvation for the world’s security is simply just a great thing for Apple.

 

[I7guy]

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As a paranoid as you sound, you mind as well not use the internet, buy burner phones, and pay with cash. Thinking Apple is salvation for the world’s security is simply just a great thing for Apple.

Thinking Apple is not attempting to move the needle on privacy (looking at you Facebook) is as disingenuous as believing Apple is the salvation of the internet.

 

[ipponrg]

Thinking Apple is not attempting to move the needle on privacy (looking at you Facebook) is as disingenuous as believing Apple is the salvation of the internet.

Sure if that is the goal post you want to move, I’ll give you that.

 

[I7guy]

Sure if that is the goal post you want to move, I’ll give you that.

Sure, sometimes goal posts need to be moved because they were never set up properly to begin with.

 

[truthertech]

Apparently you didn’t disable the tracking off Google via their settings. Google doesn’t sell your data directly. The reading your email really depends which side you take. Google does scan your email to target ads and to help make their products better. If you are using a 3rd party service and worried about being a victim, then don’t use the service.

As a paranoid as you sound, you mind as well not use the internet, buy burner phones, and pay with cash. Thinking Apple is salvation for the world’s security is simply just a great thing for Apple.

LOL, let us know how well Google Maps works with location permissions turned off.

I also understand that people like yourself who have chosen to use Gmail have a major dilemna. You were already using this very nice email system "for free," when later you were shocked to learn that Google was "scanning" every email sent or received to you into their virtual dossier so they would have every personal aspect of your life stored forever in that dossier on their servers. But now you had a difficult choice: do you go through the hassle of using a new email address with all your contacts, or do you sacrifice your private life, and that of everyone who emails you, forever? Those who decided to stay with Gmail had to come up with something to rationalize that choice, and for most people it is to label others as simply "paranoid," and exclaim "it's great, I just get better ads this way!." We can sympathize with the tough choice you had to make. Just remember, there is a choice, you can stop using Google products, you can block their trackers, etc.

Just imagine if the USPS, run as a quasi-private company decided to make up the billions it is losing by doing exactly what Google is doing, telling everyone that from now on you didn't have to pay for stamps, but in return for this "free" service, if you want to use the mail system, they were going to open up every letter you sent or received and scan it in to a file on you that they would monetize by selling access to it to advertisers? People would be outraged and take to the streets, but Google is doing it on a worldwide scale the postal service could never dream of reaching, and most Google users just shrug, but more are waking up to the threat of having every aspect of their life, and their family's life, stored in Google's servers forever accessible to Google and it's subsidiaries, or companies they choose to give access to, or to hackers or to law enforcement or to intel agencies, etc.

And, most of all, don't fall for the line "I'm not worried; I have nothing to hide." Not only is Your privacy a basic human right, but the potential future abuses of the massive dossier they are building on you and your family and friends are incalculably harmful.

Apple last week unveiled a new Sign In with Apple option, offering up a convenient, privacy-focused alternative to sign-in options from companies like Google, Facebook, and Twitter.

Apple collects no data and provides little data to the apps and websites you use with the feature, and it even offers an option to keep your email safe. In an interview with The Verge, Google product management director Mark Risher, who oversees Google's secure sign in tool, shared his thoughts on Apple's new feature.

Risher says that Google's own tool is not as data hungry as it was made out to be, and that it's not used for advertising or re-targeting. "There was a bunch of innuendo wrapped around the release that suggested that only one of them is pure and the rest of them are kind of corrupt, and obviously I don't like that," he said.

The only moment logged is the moment of authentication, according to Risher, info that's not distributed anywhere. Risher also suggested Apple's feature is more invasive because it will be logging emails received from companies when the email obscuring feature is used. "We'll see how the details work out," he said.

Risher went on to explain that Google tries to "set a very high bar" but is judged by the "worst behavior" in the Android ecosystem. He said the innuendo from Apple that Google's tool is less privacy focused "was a little annoying" because Google is "trying to really hold [itself] to a high standard."

Ultimately, Risher said that he believes the technology will make people safer.Risher likened log-in protection offered by Google and Apple to storing money in a bank to alleviate fears people might have about having all of their login data handled by a single company like Apple or Google.Risher's full interview with is available on The Verge website and is worth checking out, but Google today is also making its own privacy-focused feature announcement for iOS users - the ability to use an Android smartphone as a two-factor verification key for logging into Google accounts.

Starting today, iPhone and iPad users with an Android smartphone can use the Android security key feature to verify their logins to Google accounts from the Android device.

The feature utilizes Google's Smart Lock App as part of a two-step verification system designed to keep Google accounts safer. After the security key feature is added to an Android device, it can be set up to pair with the iPhone to confirm logins over Bluetooth.

Article Link: Google Login Chief Lauds Apple Sign In as 'Better for the Internet,' Says Google's Sign In Feature Doesn't Collect Data Either

Ahh yes. Follow the pea, which cup is it under? LOL. Google distracts you with more "security," while destroying your privacy!

 

[MEJHarrison]

Apparently you didn’t disable the tracking off Google via their settings. Google doesn’t sell your data directly. The reading your email really depends which side you take. Google does scan your email to target ads and to help make their products better. If you are using a 3rd party service and worried about being a victim, then don’t use the service.

As a paranoid as you sound, you mind as well not use the internet, buy burner phones, and pay with cash. Thinking Apple is salvation for the world’s security is simply just a great thing for Apple.

In the first paragraph, you're essentially saying "stop being so paranoid about Google". In your second paragraph, you're telling us not to trust Apple so much. While you're certainly welcome to your opinions, I doubt you'll find many agreeing with you.

 

[gavroche]

Do name a few of those "countless privacy violations by Google". I am really curious.

Other posts above yours already cited links to many such examples.

 

[ipponrg]

LOL, let us know how well Google Maps works with location permissions turned off

Works fine for me. Safari on my iPhone doesn’t show me ads that I see when I’m at home on pc. YMMV for paranoia

There is no major dilemma. If I don’t use gmail, I can use outlook. If not outlook, I can use yahoo. If not yahoo, I can use xyz. If not xyz, I can use my own mail server. The people that need to reach me via email also have my phone number.

You’d be surprised what you can trace from your first/last name and where you pay your rent and mortgage. You might want to start there to fix your privacy problems
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In the first paragraph, you're essentially saying "stop being so paranoid about Google". In your second paragraph, you're telling us not to trust Apple so much. While you're certainly welcome to your opinions, I doubt you'll find many agreeing with you.

Yeah I wouldn’t expect. Most people don’t work with the technology to understand the conundrum

 

[Apple_Robert]

There is no way I am buying what Google is trying to sell here. I think they are as bad as Facebook.

I will stick with Apple, as I generally like the direction they are headed and their stance on privacy and customers not being the product.

 

[MEJHarrison]

Yeah I wouldn’t expect. Most people don’t work with the technology to understand the conundrum

I do work with the technology. Last week I configured and implemented Auth0 on our site and this week it was Okta. While an argument could be made that people blow Google's blunders out of proportion and that people put too much faith in Apple, I'd stop well short of advocating Google over Apple for sign-in purposes. I wouldn't even consider Google as a second-best option or an option period. I don't trust them. If I can't sign up for another service without using my login from elsewhere, I move along. In fact I was extremely annoyed that I had to sign-up at Auth0 with my Microsoft account. But it was for work and I couldn't not do my job.

 

[truthertech]

Works fine for me. Safari on my iPhone doesn’t show me ads that I see when I’m at home on pc. YMMV for paranoia

There is no major dilemma. If I don’t use gmail, I can use outlook. If not outlook, I can use yahoo. If not yahoo, I can use xyz. If not xyz, I can use my own mail server. The people that need to reach me via email also have my phone number.

You’d be surprised what you can trace from your first/last name and where you pay your rent and mortgage. You might want to start there to fix your privacy problems
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So, you're able to use Google maps without it knowing your location? OK. Moving on.

 

[ipponrg]

I do work with the technology. Last week I configured and implemented Auth0 on our site and this week it was Okta. While an argument could be made that people blow Google's blunders out of proportion and that people put too much faith in Apple, I'd stop well short of advocating Google over Apple for sign-in purposes. I wouldn't even consider Google as a second-best option or an option period. I don't trust them. If I can't sign up for another service without using my login from elsewhere, I move along. In fact I was extremely annoyed that I had to sign-up at Auth0 with my Microsoft account. But it was for work and I couldn't not do my job.

The authentication example you are citing is irrelevant in this context. We were talking about what Google vs others do for tracking for consumers.

To change topics:

My work has Okta and Duo for our authentication systems. We also have Google Business for online document collaboration as well as Office 365. I don’t know remember off the top of my head what we use to auth into Google. Office 365 has to auth over Duo. Okta is for corporate intranet. Apple SSO would be completely irrelevant for us.