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At the end of the day, physical buttons are >> virtual buttons. For some things, you just need that physical contact to know that desired input is being sent and inadvertent touches are not being mis-characterized by the I/O subsystem.
 
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What research, cite it. Liar.
I know the truth hurts, but it is what it is. Since Google has never posted any hardware unit sales, this is all we have.

Google Pixel 3 is a sales disappointment, sells less than the Pixel 2
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/04/google-admits-pixel-3-sales-have-fallen-year-over-year/


Google CEO Sundar Pichai blames a drop in sales of its Pixel smartphone on 'headwinds'
https://www.businessinsider.com/google-pixel-smartphone-sales-drop-2019-4

This is a quote FROM Google's Q1201910-Q:
"Hardware results reflect lower year-on-year sales of Pixel"

Pixel has never sold large numbers and the newest model is selling fewer units than before. Don't know what other proof you want.
 
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Google seriously should give up on hardware. It's a failure.

They should stick to ads.
Maybe you haven't had time or the opportunity to use Pixlebook or the pixel phones. The Pixlebook has an aluminum body and silicone hand rest. It feels expensive it looks expensive and is considered expensive...that being said the hardware on these devices feel and look rich with a beautiful elegance. Any company is always striving for excellence Google included...Still, the hardware is actually quite lovely once you grow accustomed to it. I do understand why you may feel this way about the hardware but, once you've become accustomed to them you'll love them (Hardware and all)
 
Google seriously should give up on hardware. It's a failure.

They should stick to ads.
As a platform (Android), it’s better for Google to provide a reference hardware with pure reference latest Android for developers. This was previously the Nexus phones. The difference is that now Google wants actual real profit margin out of these hardware. Thus the Pixel brand.
 
I love Google's hardware. I've owned a Pixel 1, and now use a Pixel 2 as my daily driver. I would have upgraded to a Pixel 3, but I refuse to pay more than $650 for a flagship phone.
 
Google seriously should give up on hardware. It's a failure.

They should stick to ads.
Baymowe, dude. I have no clue if the hardware of the next-gen Pixel 4 will "suck" -- and neither do you.

[I am all-in for fresh competition that moves the Apple needle into new paradigms for interface with innovative packaging -- such as the Pixel 4.]
 
Based on the research, you're one of the few. The Pixel hasn't done well and the business is a rounding error for Google. Their hardware sucks.

Do you care to share your research or just doing the blind Apple fandom???

Pixel raw numbers are never as high but Pixel does not really sell at carriers so you have to buy them directly which hurts it. Plus it is more used to push Android ect so it not going to hit the same numbers like apple.
 
I know the truth hurts, but it is what it is. Since Google has never posted any hardware unit sales, this is all we have.

Google Pixel 3 is a sales disappointment, sells less than the Pixel 2
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/04/google-admits-pixel-3-sales-have-fallen-year-over-year/


Google CEO Sundar Pichai blames a drop in sales of its Pixel smartphone on 'headwinds'
https://www.businessinsider.com/google-pixel-smartphone-sales-drop-2019-4

This is a quote FROM Google's Q1201910-Q:
"Hardware results reflect lower year-on-year sales of Pixel"

Pixel has never sold large numbers and the newest model is selling fewer units than before. Don't know what other proof you want.
It’s no use talking facts to the fanboys. They already locked their mindset to what they wanted.
 
I won’t buy any smartphone that lacks physical buttons. That’s a usability nightmare. Sure, it may look cool but it would be uncomfortable in actual use. That is truly form over function.
Yeah that is taking it to the extreme. Even Apple, who has pushed form over function too many times, ships iPhone with no less than 3 physical buttons.
 
Well, their phone cameras (hardware + software) are apparently among the best.

But a smartphone needs at least one button. Software gets buggy, and I won’t buy any device without at least one button for resets, etc. If every possible function can only be done with gestures, I have a gesture for it.
A phone with no physical buttons is an absolute non-starter imo. As you said, software get's buggy. If the anecdotes about the Pixel 3/3XL are to be believed, the Pixel's software gets buggier over time. It would definitely need a button of some kind.
This render does look better with the punch out, so it does have that going for it. That bathtub notch was huge and far too intrusive into the screen real estate.
 
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Based on the research, you're one of the few. The Pixel hasn't done well and the business is a rounding error for Google. Their hardware sucks.

The attraction of Pixel phones, aside from their excellent cameras (which others here have rightly noted), is having plain Android along with the ability to update the OS yourself direct from Google. Otherwise, you have to rely on whatever manufacturer (like Samsung) to put out the Android update.

Other than Google's Pixel phone, it's generally assumed that consumers will use only one OS version of Android per Android phone -- the version of Android that the phone comes with.
 
Unfortunately, I can see Jony Ive wanting to do something with no buttons.
Then you don't understand Jony Ive, or large scale industrial design for a mass market consumer product at all. They don't start out with "How can we make a phone with no buttons."
They start with "what problem do we have" then "what would solve that problem". If the answer was "no buttons", then the question would become "how do we make a phone with no buttons, and what other problems does that create, and how do we solve/mitigate those problems."

Google doesn't have a mass market consumer product. They have what barely amounts to an expensive hobby. They can do things that make no practical sense whatsoever, without risk of alienating customers. Can't alienate customers you don't have. The only people who buy the Pixel are tech hounds who buy and try everything, reviewers, YouTubers, and some others. A few million people world wide, total.
 
This render seems like a mash up of the best ideas* of Essential, Samsung, and HTC.

*Provided their capacitive buttons aren't the madness-inducing trainwreck that the HTC U12 Plus's were.
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I love Google's hardware. I've owned a Pixel 1, and now use a Pixel 2 as my daily driver. I would have upgraded to a Pixel 3, but I refuse to pay more than $650 for a flagship phone.

Flagships start above $750, so I guess you're never going to own a flagship again.
 
You're very, very misguided if you're using ANYTHING Google in 2019.

I suggest you dig much more into this "company".
 
Then you don't understand Jony Ive, or large scale industrial design for a mass market consumer product at all. They don't start out with "How can we make a phone with no buttons."
They start with "what problem do we have" then "what would solve that problem". If the answer was "no buttons", then the question would become "how do we make a phone with no buttons, and what other problems does that create, and how do we solve/mitigate those problems."

Google doesn't have a mass market consumer product. They have what barely amounts to an expensive hobby. They can do things that make no practical sense whatsoever, without risk of alienating customers. Can't alienate customers you don't have. The only people who buy the Pixel are tech hounds who buy and try everything, reviewers, YouTubers, and some others. A few million people world wide, total.

Perhaps I should have explained myself better rather than making an implied statement. I feel that Jony Ive has a tendency to prefer form over function, and could be seduced by a device without any physical buttons. Thats all. Just wild speculation based on my subjective view of him.
 
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Perhaps I should have explained myself better rather than making an implied statement. I feel that Jony Ive has a tendency to prefer form over function, and could be seduced by a device without any physical buttons. Thats all. Just wild speculation based on my subjective view of him.

IIR, he has stated his vision is just a slab of glass, has he not?
 
Baymowe, dude. I have no clue if the hardware of the next-gen Pixel 4 will "suck" -- and neither do you.

[I am all-in for fresh competition that moves the Apple needle into new paradigms for interface with innovative packaging -- such as the Pixel 4.]
Based on Google's hardware history, it won't matter at the very least. They are a rounding error in this game and falling.
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The attraction of Pixel phones, aside from their excellent cameras (which others here have rightly noted), is having plain Android along with the ability to update the OS yourself direct from Google. Otherwise, you have to rely on whatever manufacturer (like Samsung) to put out the Android update.

Other than Google's Pixel phone, it's generally assumed that consumers will use only one OS version of Android per Android phone -- the version of Android that the phone comes with.
Consumers evidently don't care about that attraction.
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Do you care to share your research or just doing the blind Apple fandom???

Pixel raw numbers are never as high but Pixel does not really sell at carriers so you have to buy them directly which hurts it. Plus it is more used to push Android ect so it not going to hit the same numbers like apple.
Read the thread. The Pixel 3 isn't even doing as well as the Pixel 2, which didn't do well. Google literally admitted the Pixel 3 is seeing headwinds. You can look at their financials and see Google is an Ad company.
 
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Poor Android users, still having to press their finger up to a fingerprint reader all the time.
 
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