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Do you even how the map data is collected? Do you even know what it takes to gather crowd source information? Do you understand how this thing really works?

Let me know be more condescending please.

HOKAY!

It's obviously pretty difficult and time consuming, which is the reason why they should've waited to release the damn app, instead of forcing it on us now and making us wait for the damn app to become at least halfassed decent.
 
Oh my gawd, this article just made my day. I love Google Maps, and I really hope Apple doesn't screw us by rejecting Google's app.

They allowed the Gmail app, so why would they not allow Maps?

AND OH MAN I HOPE IT HAS TURN-BY-TURN NAVIGATION. I miss that so much from my Android phone, and MapQuest just isn't the same. Google's search (for locations) and mapping is just unmatched for the price (free :D).

I will be so happy when this releases :D:D:D
 
Of their own doing

Bemused by some of the "well Google have been doing this for 7 years, give Apple a break" style posts here and other forums.

That's not how it works - Apple knew what the expectations were because they could see how folks used Google Maps (probably even collected data on usage under the iOS hood). So for Apple to drop the ball on this one is frankly inexcusable. They could see what people wanted/were using and simply chose not to implement it. And it -was- a choice; Apple could've held back their mapping solution until it was ready - give it another year of development, get the features in there that we've come to expect and rely on.

It's a shame, I think they really misjudged this one :(
 
Do you even how the map data is collected? Do you even know what it takes to gather crowd source information? Do you understand how this thing really works?

Let me know be more condescending please.

There's a reason why Apple released and there's a reason why every AI professor will tell you this was the right thing to do. Locations in the world change every minute. Apple cannot wait to restructure its efforts cause in this scenario, they will never get that information.

Understand it this way — effort and release at t-2 years = release at t years = release at t+2 years. Apple would be in the same situation had they released the product with a future version of iOS say iOS 8. Things would be more or less the same.

There's nothing you can do to force AI. Even Google knows this; they have been through all of this; and they are themselves rapidly improving. There's a lot of data on Google maps that is wrong. Doesn't mean they are **** or I should stop using them. This is a part of technology which people have to adjust to. If they cannot, tough.

Some of us are now missing very productive tools for our jobs and you say tough? I say bull crap mister. There is no adjusting to what is missing or not working correctly, they eliminated valuable tools from those of us who have come to rely on them, that is one of the reasons this topic is getting so much press and fallout.

Being able to pull up a contact, plan a bus or metro rail route and then see clearly what traffic is going on is a tool that is worth a ton to me. Apple Maps does not allow for this, it's like a toy, not a tool...

Many of us need tools, so don't be one and say tough, adapt when this is technology that should be forward moving, not taking 10 steps back to the detriment of those who consider these tools in buying the device in the first place.
 
Google's YouTube app is *way* better than Apple's old one (which is still a standard on iOS 5). Since iOS 5 is still supported, the new YouTube app could be considered "competing" or something, yet it was still approved.

And since it was so much better, I am betting that Google's Maps app will also be better than Apple's old one.

I really can't wait for this :D
 
Bemused by some of the "well Google have been doing this for 7 years, give Apple a break" style posts here and other forums.

That's not how it works - Apple knew what the expectations were because they could see how folks used Google Maps (probably even collected data on usage under the iOS hood). So for Apple to drop the ball on this one is frankly inexcusable. They could see what people wanted/were using and simply chose not to implement it. And it -was- a choice; Apple could've held back their mapping solution until it was ready - give it another year of development, get the features in there that we've come to expect and rely on.

It's a shame, I think they really misjudged this one :(

100% agree!

I am baffled at how people defend these decisions and say it works for them when that does nothing to move the timing or urgency of improvements in moving forward.

Not a single person benefits from others saying that Apple needs time and that it works for them right now. That is like saying to the victim of a tornado "Gosh, I don't know what the problem is, the weather in my town is fine"....
 
Many of us need tools, so don't be one and say tough, adapt when this is technology that should be forward moving, not taking 10 steps back to the detriment of those who consider these tools in buying the device in the first place.

Eloquently put.

I'm not completely bagging on what we've now got, nor am I saying it will always suck. The framework is set for what could eventually be an excellent product. It's speedy, clean, easy to use, and the open source nature could be a huge boon. I appreciate it for its potential.

But I can't use potential.
 
And therefore...

Since Google knew that Apple would no longer develop the Maps app -- Google supplies the data -- then they took their own g.d. time implementing it, didn't they? Google plays rough business a lot, and the "open" b.s. leads people not to know that.

Why not seeing that the "open source" stuff is what Apple is using, and that it will only get better for usage.

No doubt it has many deficiencies. Apple is what, 8 years behind Google? Don't you want "choice," Google-heads?
 
Google, I hear from roundabout sources, is enjoying the bad press Apple is suffering. It would be surprising if its mappers could resist some schadenfreude, since they are very proud of their work; having it rejected wholesale must be galling.

Source?
 
Thank goodness.

Apple will have a PR nightmare on its hands unless it quickly approves the app.

(A nightmare worse than the current flap over the bad, bad iOS6 Maps app.)

I agree, although I see both as one issue, if they approved the Google app and announced it tonight this would all be blown over before the 5's rollout tomorrow...not sure Apple Mngment is smart to see the PR situation of all this and do that, but they could diffuse this immediately if they did, particularly potential international customers where it sounds really bad.
 
100% agree!

I am baffled at how people defend these decisions and say it works for them when that does nothing to move the timing or urgency of improvements in moving forward.

Not a single person benefits from others saying that Apple needs time and that it works for them right now. That is like saying to the victim of a tornado "Gosh, I don't know what the problem is, the weather in my town is fine"....

So, no one can ever compete with Google, but Google can copy?
 
Color me among those that will stick with Apple's new version of Maps. I like it better than Google's.

Good for you. The problem is that most people don't actually have a choice. Outside the US the maps are so bad that relying on it is a recreation of the exploits of Sir Walter Raleigh and Christopher Columbus.

You either pray for Google maps or you don't actually have a map app on your phone. That's why this is such a crisis.
 
So, no one can ever compete with Google, but Google can copy?

Of course they can, I would love to see Apple make this app the envy of everyone out there. But right now it is like going to the grocery store to buy a bag of flour and find there are only trays of wheat sprouts....what the heck do we do in the meantime?

Solution- Google Maps for iOS 6...
 
It's a shame, I think they really misjudged this one :(

I agree, disappointing on what its saying about the decision making at the top on this particular issue - hopefully they learn from it (since there are better paths to get where they want to go).

There's some irony here in that it appears Google had previously submitted their Map App (i.e. its been developed and ready to go for a long time, probably along with the YouTube App) and Apple is unnecessarily just bringing this on itself.
 
Not being a jerk here, but there are MANY signs for a major airport. Did you look up while driving or just put the destination into a cellphone and blindly drive, placing 100% trust in the little voice in the speaker?

Yes, kinda being a jerk there and an obvious apologist.

Why have a maps app with directions if you can't use it to navigate in a strange city in thick traffic?

Unless you are too young to drive, you might understand this point: Some map apps give alternate routes to avoid traffic and don't follow the standard route.

:cool:
 
HOKAY!

It's obviously pretty difficult and time consuming, which is the reason why they should've waited to release the damn app, instead of forcing it on us now and making us wait for the damn app to become at least halfassed decent.

I should have been more condescending and ended with —

'It's a waste of time beating at Apple haters at MacRumors cause they are not going to understand anything anyway!'

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Some of us are now missing very productive tools for our jobs and you say tough? I say bull crap mister. There is no adjusting to what is missing or not working correctly, they eliminated valuable tools from those of us who have come to rely on them, that is one of the reasons this topic is getting so much press and fallout.

Being able to pull up a contact, plan a bus or metro rail route and then see clearly what traffic is going on is a tool that is worth a ton to me. Apple Maps does not allow for this, it's like a toy, not a tool...

Many of us need tools, so don't be one and say tough, adapt when this is technology that should be forward moving, not taking 10 steps back to the detriment of those who consider these tools in buying the device in the first place.

The benefits that you previously gained out of Google maps was a result of all this crowd sourcing. They just didn't build their data base in a day.

Technology cannot be built in a day. It's a result of years of effort especially when it comes to subjects under AI.

One would be dumb to simply not understand that. If you need a tool, buy a new phone. No one is forcing you to use it. You've to pay the cost of time when there's a new technology out there.
 
Okay, you all want to know something embarrassing? I just fired up Bing Maps in Win8, an app I considered alright, but nowhere near as good as what Google provided.

As it currently stands, Bing uses the same satellite map data as the new Apple maps, shows more information, and is more precise.

That...is not good.

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I should have been more condescending and ended with —

'It's a waste of time beating at Apple haters at MacRumors cause they are not going to understand anything anyway!'

Right. I'm an Apple hater because my maps app yesterday on my iPhone was a helluva lot better than it is today. I'm griping because...what...I'm a fanboy? That I'm too stupid to wait a year for the new app to become at least half as good as what I previously had?

You make no sense, and contribute nothing to this argument.
 
Did people really think Google wouldn't scramble to put their Maps application on iOS.
 
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