“We’ve burned up user good will by regularly changing protocols and apps over the last decade, but Apple should give a dang about our opinion for some reason.”
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Google's New 'iPager' Ad Shames Apple for Using Outdated Messaging Standard
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Naw… I’ll pass on the Google trash.
What's so great about WhatsApp over the other internet-based chat apps? Does it work without a data connection? Does RCS work without a data connection? (My understanding is no, but does it?)
If RCS requires a data connection, then Google is misleading people with this ad. They say SMS needs to go away, but which would you prefer ... that your message never arrives if the receiver has disabled their data (which is very common), or that it arrives in a plain-text format? The fallback to SMS delivers that latter option. Does RCS give that confidence?
Ah ha! Found the answer! Yes, RCS requires data, and they fall-back to SMS with there's no data connection on either side of the conversation. Busted!
Don’t worry. The total number of phones he’s repaired also starts with a Z.
It's wild to see how many folks in this comment section are defending the fact that iOS still doesn't support RCS. That's WILD to me.
Nobody cares what color a message is. Google is encouraging Apple to support RCS, and every single iPhone user should be doing the same. Lets move on from the antiquated SMS/MMS standard just like we moved on from using 3G and we moved on from unencrypted http, it's something all of us would benefit from.
Nobody cares what color a message is. Google is encouraging Apple to support RCS, and every single iPhone user should be doing the same. Lets move on from the antiquated SMS/MMS standard just like we moved on from using 3G and we moved on from unencrypted http, it's something all of us would benefit from.
I remember getting my first pager. Never received a page before, but just as I was browsing through a clothing store, my employer paged me. I literally jumped out of my skin! Did I get busted for stealing something? Why was a vibration going through my body! It totally freaked me out!
I’m not a fan of Google myself but I do find it absurd that we are stuck in this weird era of my iPhone not ‘just working.’
If I want to text someone a quality photo, I want to expect they can receive it… without having to think about what OS and software they are using - and hope they have whatever app is required - or maybe they receive some pixelated garbage and I don’t know.
The whole point of iMessage being the default messaging app was that SMS was originaly a global standard.
If they’re nowadays going to branch off the app into something else that’s no longer a global standard…then what’s the point of this garbage app.
If I want to text someone a quality photo, I want to expect they can receive it… without having to think about what OS and software they are using - and hope they have whatever app is required - or maybe they receive some pixelated garbage and I don’t know.
The whole point of iMessage being the default messaging app was that SMS was originaly a global standard.
If they’re nowadays going to branch off the app into something else that’s no longer a global standard…then what’s the point of this garbage app.
I care. Speak for yourself, Techie.
Whenever a message to an iPhone user falls back to SMS (green), I never know if they actually got the message. I don't get that reassuring "Delivered" status.
Yes, blue matters.
As someone who owns Pixel phones and has never owned an iPhone, Google really needs to stop. Apple is protecting its core business which primarily is the iPhone. I don't see anything wrong with that. If Apple wants to maintain their current messaging service then that's their prerogative.
I can't tell if you're complaining about Apple or Google.
RCS is a protocol (not an app) to replace SMS because the CARRIERS don't care about innovation, so it took a profit-seeking company to develop the next generation protocol.
Apple developed iMessage to give Apple customers a rich-messaging experience built right into their phone, rather than having to install a 3rd-party app. If you want to use any number of 3rd-party apps (WhatsApp, Viber, Signal, etc.), you have that choice.
Google is just whining because their attempt to get the biggest competitor (Apple) to build RCS support into iPhone is not going as planned. They are trying to guilt Apple into it by misleading consumers with false information.
Apple will implement RCS support when it makes most sense. Now is not the time.
Since RCS is a protocol, Google could technically deliver an iPhone app that supports it, and then RCS would be available on iPhone. Why are they refusing to give their users an app to solve this? Why must it be in Apple's Messages app? Oh... because carriers are involved in the mix... it's not as simple as just an internet chat app.
Take your time, Apple. Wait until RCS matures.
Take your time, Apple. Wait until RCS matures.
Motivations are irrelevant here when the net result helps the end-user. And yes, it also helps any Apple users who have Android friends and they send more than just words on a screen. The multimedia experience between the 2 in 2023 and I don't give a flying crap who is to blame. RCS (even the "proprietary" variety) is still better (and more secure) than SMS/MMS. This is an irrefutable, unequivocal, undeniable point and it needs to get resolved.
All-end users are helped. Period.
They would if they knew their pictures wouldn't be all pixelated and their videos not the size of a pixelated postage stamp.
It is an absolute solution to a ridiculous problem.
You just unwittingly made the case for RCS, since it would solve that problem too, of not knowing. You'd have an icon knowing they did get it.
But it's not about iPhone to iPhone it's about the interoperability between the 2 platforms. Forest for the trees.
Blue can matter to you. Keep your blue, I couldn't care less about the color in the grand scheme.
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But 90 percent of my friends own iPhones (me Pixel) and when the send me a video its pointless as the experience is garbage. Im all for all the heat on Apple anyone can get. The MMS experience is terrible and they can keep all the bubble colored exclusivity they want. I just want send and receive quality photos and videos to (and from) opposite platform
I can't disagree with anything you said but Apple's i.e. Tim Cook's take/answer on the matter is, then buy an iPhone. Apple is in the business of selling iPhone's. That's their bread and butter and they will hold onto any hook they can use to keep their customers to buy more iPhones.
I see their point of view while I understand your POV as well.
No kidding. The list of Google communication apps/projects/features over the past few years is frankly kind of ridiculous, and the number that they've killed (often after only a brief run) is genuinely embarrassing and kind of hilarious.
Mostly out of "word from above" necessity we've settled into Google Chat at work, which is... well, better than it was a when we first started using it, at least. That's assuming, of course, that Google doesn't decide to cancel it and replace it with something else in another year or two.
You took a wrong turn there. Google RCS is just your common OTT messaging service and they could release it today. It's no different than WhatsApp or Signal in this regard, it uses a phone number to validate you exist. Carriers had self-contained versions of actual RCS, with no interoperability - though those, too, were OTT; straight data transmissions. One of Google's planned updates to their service is to eliminate the need to use a phone number; you can use an email instead and, with it, have support for the messages on other devices. But that's also the rub... just go to where the people are already, the aforementioned WhatsApp or Signal.
If Apple did adopt RCS, it would allow for end-to-end encryption for conversations between iPhone and Android users
Article Link: Google's New 'iPager' Ad Shames Apple for Using Outdated Messaging Standard
Except no. RCS does NOT include E2E encryption. Google has had to add it as a separate layer on top for its own apps. Do some research first next time.
I use Android for my phone, as does most of my family, and I find RCS frequently has problems in that messages don't get delivered, while SMS works every time. And my biggest problem is this was a silent change. When I use the "Message" app, I expect to always be using SMS unconditionally, to be using the "text" feature the cell networks are providing, "Message" is supposed to mean texting. If I want to use internet/data I use a different app, that's what's supposed to happen. But at some point the program auto-updated and started using RCS instead for everything. I only noticed the difference when message delivery failures started happening. Fortunately I was prompted to resend with SMS which worked. Fortunately I can tell it per person I'm talking with to always use SMS, but unfortunately I can't seem to tell it application wide to do that for all people.
This is absolutely true but I still find it ironic that Apple is pushing eSIM so hard while pretending RCS doesn’t exist.
android people use Facebook messenger, telegram, WhatsApp, and a dozen other apps to text. I honestly don’t know how they keep up with it. Maybe they don’t know the freedom of just having a single app. For the record I travel all over the world for work and I’m not joking. WhatsApp looks and acts like hot garbage and it’s what everyone in Asia is using. No thanks.
Funny, never once had to have an apple device repaired but happy knowing I can just walk into the local store to do so.
My Pixel 5, Moto X, and Galaxy Note 4 on the other hand all lasted less than a year and trying to get warranty service was useless. Mailed in my Moto X and had to wait months to get it back. Never again.