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Which I just find weird. Apple has just over half the US smartphone marketshare so what happens when you’re in a group and, statistically, almost half of your friends can’t access it. Are they sending SMS messages into them?
I am in several group texts with mostly iPhone users and I have no problems getting everyones messages be it RCS, iMessage, or SMS on Android. In fact, my wife has trouble getting some of our group messages in the same groups and she has an iPhone. This one I cannot explain.
 
I really wish Apple would make their own open source system that had the same features as RCS with detailed explanations about privacy and even allowing other companies to implement servers for it and have a say in future feature improvements. I would love RCS if it wasn’t shackled to Google in a very shady way. It’ll never happen, though.

They did make one. They offered it to carriers. The carriers turned them down when they saw it would be free. They released it as iMessage.
 
How would purchasing an Android device help anything when it's still a 2 OS world? You'd still have the same issue messaging from an Android to an iPhone.

And I never said this was my issue.

I said it was off-putting how Tim Cook treated the referenced customer.

If your customer has a complaint, telling them the solution is to buy more hardware to give to another person is not tenable. You said Apple customers are happy with it. The person asking Tim Cook this question was an Apple customer who was not happy with is one aspect of their iPhone.

And it's just very black-and-white thinking to say nobody should ever offer feedback to a company whose products they use. Your post reminds me of the perseverating character Tom Cruise played in Born on The Fourth of July where he kept yelling, "Love it or leave it! Love it or leave it!"

Well calm down; some people like it and want to offer feedback.
Would you be able to explain what issues you experience messaging from Android to iPhone? There is are many many options for encrypted secure messaging from any platform to any platform.

Are you personally having these "bad" experiences? If so then what is stopping you from using other services to accomplish what you want?
 
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I’m sorry, but I do. And if you’re going to be pedantic about me not calling it “Google Messages” then there’s really a bigger problem here. Google RCS ≠ RCS, and it never will.
No, you don't. And you don't have to use RCS to use Google Messages. RCS is not an app, period. Anyway, you have a nice day! 😁
 
The only troll back then was my younger sister.

We shared a phone line but it went through her room first. So if she wanted to use it, even if I was using it, she would just unplug my connection. :mad:
😂🥲

Those were the days, the sound of dial up is something to remember. Then with the times of ISDN you could have both data and voice and this issue disappeared. Or was it earlier?
 
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It's so odd seeing the number of people that are okay with Apple sticking with sending completely unencrypted SMS messages as the standby if both parties don't use iMessage, while also refusing to allow half the world to use iMessage. Obviously it helps Apple's lock-in customers, but it does nothing but harm users.

There's no upside to this for anyone.
For anyone who cares there are other options on both devices to be secure. Maybe education is key here and not forcing things to be a certain way. Like, maybe Apple is required to show the connection is not secure so people can make informed decisions or something. Kind of like warning labels on cigarettes. No one should ever send sensitive information over messaging even if it is encrypted, anyways. There are better ways.

It's like, we could not let a kid play to make sure they don't get hurt or we can teach them how to play cautiously. Which one is better?
 
I think Apple won't support RCS until the carriers insist. Hopefully they do so soon.

It's frustrating that Apple so often pretends Android doesn't exist. A phone is a communication device; it should be able to communicate as securely and reliably as possible with all other phones.
It’s free world: buy iPhone or choose whatever’s up to you.
 
I do wish Apple implemented RCS, but this video just feels pathetic and thirsty from Google. It feels more like the id of every Android fanboy thinking they know how to persuade apple....

Also the idea that Apple would not keep the bubbles green is hilarious.
 
The only troll back then was my younger sister.

We shared a phone line but it went through her room first. So if she wanted to use it, even if I was using it, she would just unplug my connection. :mad:
😂🥲

That was something else… where just a faint click of a phone being picked up was enough to screw up an entire data conversation and send it to a point where it could never be recovered.
 
Google RCS lives within Google Messages. It’s an app. It’s also closed-sourced.
Again, RCS is a communication protocol not an app. If you want to think you are right, go for it. It really makes no difference to me. I just want everyone else to know that RCS isn't an app, because it's not.
 
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Apple knows it is only time before Google finds some new shiny thing to play with ...
 
That was something else… where just a faint click of a phone being picked up was enough to screw up an entire data conversation and send it to a point where it could never be recovered.
What a time to be alive 😂

I remember waiting for a picture to load. Just sitting and watching pixelated line by line load and then reload.

If it seemed to freeze, who knows, maybe its the data and maybe it was my sinister sister. 😂
 
The European Union is already prepping up legislation forcing all the tech companies to alter their proprietary messaging services to work together, seamlessly. It’s just a matter of time..
The European Union should pay Apple just like Google does. If it weren't for our innovations, they would still be using Nokia's flip phones. Why is the EU forcing our companies to do anything? If they don't like it, force your own companies to do stuff. Oh wait, they have no companies that innovate, so maybe they should prepare legislation for BMW to start making phones that fit European standards.
 
It's hilarious how salty and jealous they are of our blue bubbles.

That's a pretty weak take. I seriously doubt anyone is jealous of the bubble color on your screen. You should keep in mind that those colors only exist on the iPhone users screen and are thus irrelevant to anyone not using an iPhone.

The real issue here is that the user messaging experience is hobbled by Apple as a means to sell more iPhones. People are clearly more incline to pressure their friends to buy a different product than to pressure Apple to make their product play well with others. A group chat with a non iPhone does not have to ruin the experience but it's in Apples best interest to keep the pain points alive.
On top of messages (especially group messages), the other pain point is sending pictures. Apple knows sending pictures over SMS are total garbage and even over compresses them to make them worse. This gives the average iPhone user the impression that photos on other phones aren't good which again is good for Apple. These too major issues create social pressure which is what really drives iPhone sales. Apples own internal emails have even confirmed this.

I guess what I don't understand is why Apple users are willing to accept a completely avoidable degraded experience with cross platform interoperability. This makes for a poor user experience for everyone involved, iPhone users included. The only reason someone without an iPhone would be upset at the bubble color on their friends phone is because those friends will complain about the poor user experience. A user experience on which Apple insists continue.
 
Again, RCS is a communication protocol not an app. If you want to think you are right, go for it. It really makes no difference to me. I just want everyone else to know that RCS isn't an app, because it's not.
Yes, but Google is not doing that. They are wanting the RCS protocol and it go through them. Thats no different than how imessage operates. The difference is Google wants the keys to it and to make money off all the carrier costs to it. You can still control a protocol if the protocol goes to you. It's like internet connections. Internet connections works a certain way but you still go through a service provider holding all the keys. The difference is we get to choose who we use. You are saying we should all use one service provider. No thank you.
 
Again, RCS is a communication protocol not an app. If you want to think you are right, go for it. It really makes no difference to me. I just want everyone else to know that RCS isn't an app, because it's not.
Again, you’re being pedantic. The entire point of this is… Google RCS is not a standard. As Google RCS ≠ RCS.
 
What security? They care about metadata and metadata only. Even E2EE messages provide the following metadata back:

  • Phone numbers of senders and recipients
  • Timestamps of the messages
  • IP addresses or other connection information
  • Sender and recipient's mobile carriers
  • SIP, MSRP, or CPIM headers, such as User-Agent strings which may contain device manufacturers and models
  • Whether the message has an attachment
  • The URL on content server where the attachment is stored
  • Approximate size of messages, and exact size of attachments
Signal, on the other hand… collects time last active and phone number. That’s security.

What can be done with that metadata? You can construct exactly what the messages contained, without ever reading a single message.

No, you cannot construct anything of the content. You can however construct contexual knowledge. If you think iMessage is any different you are in for a surprise.
Feel free to read up on RCS.
 
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