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This reasoning is INSANE. If you rely on your device, AT ALL, don’t install the beta on it.


Now...let’s talk reality. Thousands of people (perhaps hundreds of thousands or even millions) install these betas on their primary devices. As you note, should they? No, particularly if they can’t get back to a regular release. But they do. And Apple knows they do. That’s my point. Once you make it available to the public, even with strong caveats, the calculus changes.

Should it have to? No. People should heed the warnings and live with the consequences. But that’s in an ideal world, not this lawsuit happy world in which we live.

These are the costs to Apple of having a public beta program. They have to consider what the public might actually do, not what they should do.
 
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I noticed that this morning my X wasn’t picking up GPS satellites and so I restarted my phone and everything’s back to normal (+-8m accuracy). I think the IPSW fix does work.
 
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I installed the PB yesterday and was fairly confident I wasn't having any GPS issues (I've got an intel modem and on GSM) but last night my Phillips Hue lighting was behaving badly. I'd set a scheme then minutes later they would turn off. A few seconds later they would come back on with a brighter scheme.

I'd been watching clips of "Poltergeist" on YouTube and was honestly set to flee but now I've realized they are set to turn off when I leave home and back on again when I arrive. All day today they've been turning off after I turn them on. I usually don't notice right away. I thought it was the app not agreeing with iOS 12 but now I'm sure it's because the phone suddenly locates me away from home then back again a few minutes later.

Not really a big deal right now but I may start driving for a ride-share company next week and would go back to 11.4 if it's not solved in PB2. My issue isn't as severe as everyone elses seems to be but it's there... waiting...
 
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I installed the PB yesterday and was fairly confident I wasn't having any GPS issues (I've got an intel modem and on GSM) but last night my Phillips Hue lighting was behaving badly. I'd set a scheme then minutes later they would turn off. A few seconds later they would come back on with a brighter scheme.

I'd been watching clips of "Poltergeist" on YouTube and was honestly set to flee but now I've realized they are set to turn off when I leave home and back on again when I arrive. All day today they've been turning off after I turn them on. I usually don't notice right away. I thought it was the app not agreeing with iOS 12 but now I'm sure it's because the phone suddenly locates me away from home then back again a few minutes later.

Not really a big deal right now but I may start driving for a ride-share company next week and would go back to 11.4 if it's not solved in PB2. My issue isn't as severe as everyone elses seems to be but it's there... waiting...


Haha. I had the same issue but with my Neato vacuum while watching TV last night. It’s set to run when I leave. I had to pull the kill switch inside the machine. Lol.
 
I installed the PB yesterday and was fairly confident I wasn't having any GPS issues (I've got an intel modem and on GSM) but last night my Phillips Hue lighting was behaving badly. I'd set a scheme then minutes later they would turn off. A few seconds later they would come back on with a brighter scheme.

I'd been watching clips of "Poltergeist" on YouTube and was honestly set to flee but now I've realized they are set to turn off when I leave home and back on again when I arrive. All day today they've been turning off after I turn them on. I usually don't notice right away. I thought it was the app not agreeing with iOS 12 but now I'm sure it's because the phone suddenly locates me away from home then back again a few minutes later.

Not really a big deal right now but I may start driving for a ride-share company next week and would go back to 11.4 if it's not solved in PB2. My issue isn't as severe as everyone elses seems to be but it's there... waiting...
Honestly, in the early days of GPS, whether you got lock on or not would be no big deal. But now, we've not only become accustomed to it as a convenience, we've also become dependent on it. If you're a telephone cord cutter, not having a working location system, you could have a problem if you need to call 911 and can't give an address (or don't know it). In the old days, they just did a reverse lookup on your phone number and presto! they're on the way. Now, an error circle of 100 yds might put them in a completely different subdivision.
 
The IPSW fix didn't work for me after all. Google maps is unusable at this stage if I'm in a hurry as the bounce around seems to take a while and I can't be sure when, if ever, it will stop.

(Apple) Maps works a lot better to locate me. It still bounces around but only in a 10-20 meter radius but spots the right location after a few seconds.

I have reported Google maps in the Feedback app.

For some reason it won't let me import the image so here's the link to a short gif of the action:
https://imgur.com/a/jQDqy6F
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Haha. I had the same issue but with my Neato vacuum while watching TV last night. It’s set to run when I leave. I had to pull the kill switch inside the machine. Lol.
LOL that was great! I haven't had any issues really since then. I played PokemonGo today and it didn't have any trouble putting me right where I was. I just have to remember to submit a report so that they gather the necessary data on my device.
 
Now...let’s talk reality. Thousands of people (perhaps hundreds of thousands or even millions) install these betas on their primary devices. As you note, should they? No, particularly if they can’t get back to a regular release. But they do. And Apple knows they do. That’s my point. Once you make it available to the public, even with strong caveats, the calculus changes.

Should it have to? No. People should heed the warnings and live with the consequences. But that’s in an ideal world, not this lawsuit happy world in which we live.

These are the costs to Apple of having a public beta program. They have to consider what the public might actually do, not what they should do.

Sure would be nice to have a day where all the warning labels were removed and just let nature happen.

If people dismiss the beta agreement and still accept the terms, that's on them. I'm sure Apple lawyers have preplanned documents for just such circumstances. Anyone dumb enough to install a beta on a device they live and die by is just asking for murphy to bite them.

It's a beta for a reason, some things will not work correctly, that's the point. A small control group will only catch so many flaws, whereas opening it up to public beta allows for a greater pool to really help refine the software.
 
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Sure would be nice to have a day where all the warning labels were removed and just let nature happen.

If people dismiss the beta agreement and still accept the terms, that's on them. I'm sure Apple lawyers have preplanned documents for just such circumstances. Anyone dumb enough to install a beta on a device they live and die by is just asking for murphy to bite them.

It's a beta for a reason, some things will not work correctly, that's the point. A small control group will only catch so many flaws, whereas opening it up to public beta allows for a greater pool to really help refine the software.

Oh, I’m with you 100%. It should be on the users if they disregard all the warnings. But the plaintiff's bar doesn’t care.
 
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I did a shift update today, and GPS issues are now gone. Hopefully it lasts. The fun adventures of beta testing :)
 
Updated through iTunes and have had no issues with GPS whatsoever. However, I did notice some issues with cellular this weekend.. hopefully that gets fixed in beta 3.
 
For those still having the gps issue on ios12 , I just read this procedure that worked for someone else.
“This is what fixed it for me: Settings -> Cellular -> Cellular Data Options -> (Disable 4G or LTE, whatever you have). Restart the phone. Launch Waze. If fixed, you can now re-enable LTE.”

Worth a shot I guess
 
So stupid question. If i want to re install just the IOS with the process above on a mac how would I do that? I have downloaded the file but it won't let me re install it via itunes. I have had a good bit of issues with the OTA release with freezing and a lot of resprings. Not to mention the GPS issue.
 
So stupid question. If i want to re install just the IOS with the process above on a mac how would I do that? I have downloaded the file but it won't let me re install it via itunes. I have had a good bit of issues with the OTA release with freezing and a lot of resprings. Not to mention the GPS issue.
I don’t have a MAC but you have to hit the option key and hold and then click update. It will the prompt you for file location

Note: betas are starting to drop,’5th beta of 11.4.1 justdropped, so you might wanna wait as beta 3 iOS 12 might drop today too
 
Thanks for the help. I was able to re install via ipsw... GPS locked right away. Will see if it continues to work.

Not sure, I don’t have a dev account. I just google the and looked for the link. Was like a 3.3 GB download.
 
i did the ipsw update a few days ago and it worked for a day or two. I noticed that the location is completely off (instead of a few meters) when i turn wifi off.

will give #239 a shot when i get out of work.
 
Now...let’s talk reality. Thousands of people (perhaps hundreds of thousands or even millions) install these betas on their primary devices. As you note, should they? No, particularly if they can’t get back to a regular release. But they do. And Apple knows they do. That’s my point. Once you make it available to the public, even with strong caveats, the calculus changes.

Should it have to? No. People should heed the warnings and live with the consequences. But that’s in an ideal world, not this lawsuit happy world in which we live.

These are the costs to Apple of having a public beta program. They have to consider what the public might actually do, not what they should do.

Your reasoning is beyond illogical and wreaks of self-entitlement. If someone does not want to risk the problems that are inherent in a beta then they should not install it. It's that simple.
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It doesn’t matter. It is all about the impression you give the public about your new product, when you first show it to them. When you say it is all about improving an old product and then deliver a known flawed product, it doesn’t look good. It won’t hurt Apple in the long run, it just looks silly.
First impressions lasts...

It's a BETA!!!!!!!!
 
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