I don’t think a meta service is a better alternative
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'Green Bubbles and Blue Bubbles Want to Be Together' Says Samsung Ad Pushing Apple to Adopt RCS
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If you really think it is't you've never exchanged media with a non-Apple person. It's better, more secure for both sides and no open-minded person who isn't an Apple martyr could think otherwise.
But please, defend SMS/MMS as a fallback option.
You are right, someone has no idea what they're talking about.
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It is, it really is. Who cares who owns it they are all surveilling the crap out of you don't kid yourself.
What politics? Is Apple dead naming Google and not using their pronouns?
Or is it that SMS hasn't had an international standards upgrade since its inception, but Apple made their own private modern communications app and built it into their Messages app?
Is Google jealous that Apple spent time and money investing in a modern messaging platform that is far better than anything Google threw away in the last few years (Hangouts...)?
Should Google have done what Facebook did and built out multiple competing messaging platforms (Messenger, Instagram) and then buy another (WhatsApp)?
IDK....I'm not the CEO of a $2 trillion SOFTWARE company that could have just DEVELOPED their own competing platform.....instead of thirsting....and desperation.
Should make Apple users mad too. Your experience is downgraded sending (and receiving) things outside the garden. Less secure too.
No one's mad. Both sides could enjoy a more high quality multimedia experience.
But let's go with this (as usual) false equivalent car analogy.
I find it very ironic that google is the bad guy of the thread, but meta is a perfectly viable option. Am I missing something here?
Apple has been increasing their encrypted traffic year after year. Almost every hole that was pointed out two years ago when this RCS made yet another round here on MR has now been moved to E2E.
The ONLY version of RCS that is actually out there with encryption is the one that goes through Google’s servers. I brought up the main telecom’s pages last thread on this to demonstrate their fine print shows every bundled App for RCS is a direct partnership with Google instead of the telecom actually running the infrastructure.
A “standard” that doesn’t *require* encryption from day one should never be viewed as the successor to SMS/MMS. Why? Because in this industry when a new standard is implemented it’s there for *decades*, as SMS and MMS concretely show.
So RCS isn’t an answer to anything at all. The telecoms have no incentive to put in the capital costs to do so. RCS has no future in a country where infrastructure is a for-profit process. No budgeting process is ever going to allow for spending the money for *literally* no pay off, or even break even point.
Yes! They are all terrible. There are no 'good guys'.
Meta is every bit as awful as Google, but I have no say in what other people use. I have no social media whatsoever (aside from a couple forum memberships), but the facts are clear that “the market” has spoken for alternatives to SMS 🤷♂️
No, because my contacts are smart and use third party apps.
Not if you ever sent any media to anyone outside your iPhone strata.
It's better and more secure. It's an unassailable fact. Unless you so pro-Apple you cut your nose off to spite your face.
It's a hassle and another hoop to jump through while not being as seamless but if they are happy doing it good for them. I never will. I prefer less friction and 3rd party apps are just that. iMessage and Google messages are great as is. Except for Apple caring more about their bottom line than user-experience.
I guess? I mean it’s also ridiculous that chrome and all browsers on iOS are just safari with some paint. I don’t like chrome but on almost every platform I have the choice to use it or not. I choose not to! I’d love the choice to use RCS and actual Firefox on my iPhone but I guess that’s sacrilegious to even think about 🤯
What stigma? Are you saying Apple is stigmatizing some people? I am not really sure Android users care about this that much (or at all). They may not even know about this Apple phenomena. It's all in Apple fan heads: fake superiority complex (as if blue bubbles were better than green bubbles).
Did you misread the part where that poster you quoted said you can be FOR iMessage on Android?
I too would like Firefox to be able to use its own engine. Unfortunately I don’t trust browsers on mobile to be anything but poorly coded security targets as everyone and their mother rushes to reskin chromium when that door opens up.
I like Firefox and Safari in general because they offer the only real two browser engine alternatives to Chromium which is taking over everything (edge is now chromium based). Given Google controls chromium (look what they just did with their 3rd party cookie “alternative” that gives away data by default!) I think it’s dangerous for the world to solidify on one browser engine…
Apple will never allow this, It apple joined the bubble, it would make it easy for people to switch to android.
Green bubble is a major thing preventing people to even consider any other phone.
Green bubble is a major thing preventing people to even consider any other phone.
Honestly outside of news stories here I have never heard anybody complain about bubble color. Ever. And I know many Android and iPhone users that text just fine.
That said the fact iMessage calls back on an un-encrypted option is a failure by Apple. Either use existing options or develop one. Doing nothing is just stupid and lazy.
That said the fact iMessage calls back on an un-encrypted option is a failure by Apple. Either use existing options or develop one. Doing nothing is just stupid and lazy.
Unfortunately as demonstrated by this thread, there is NO secure standard to fall back to. That’s not laziness by Apple, that’s just the reality of the telecom industry. The telecoms are responsible for delivery, they use SMS. THERE IS NO FINANCIAL INCENTIVE FOR THEM TO CHANGE THAT, so it won’t happen.
Seems like both Samsung and Google are not happy being a green bubble.
Google does nothing but kill things it creates. No one in their right mind is going to trust Google to keep RCS some kind of standard. There’s tons of webpages dedicated to every project Google killed.
Someone can make a standard, but it shouldn’t be Google. Ever.
Totally agree on the one browser engine thing. I use safari on all my apple devices and Firefox on my pc. I have to use a chromium-based browser for work so I use arc. I think other browsers could pretty easily work on iOS without too many security concerns, esp since third party apps are already sandboxed. I do hate that if that happened, more people would be using chromium, increasing the market dominance. From that perspective I can understand why apple does it.
And back on topic, I really just want more secure messaging with android folks and better image/video quality while still using my phone number and not another app. That’s all.