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'Green Bubbles and Blue Bubbles Want to Be Together' Says Samsung Ad Pushing Apple to Adopt RCS
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I feel like the whole bubble thing is more a Media/online thing. It's not a thing I've ever seen anyone talk about in reality. Ever.
At the end of the day, RCS will never be the successor to SMS (let alone a version that *improves* security).
This is going to take laws, not half baked standards that no one wants to fund the infrastructure end of.
This is going to take laws, not half baked standards that no one wants to fund the infrastructure end of.
Yep, and that means that only you, the other party you are in communications with, google, the CIA/FBI, and any nation state (or powerful hacker) that can break Google's proprietary encryption have access to your communications.
Privacy and the companies you create accounts with are all a personal choice, but this doesn’t change my own thoughts. It’s still supporting meta and when it comes down to it, their privacy policy here doesn’t really inspire confidence. The messages may be secure, but they’re still collecting data, tying it to you, and passing it on to meta.
No thanks. I like to differentiate the rich (apple) and the poor (android) in my messages app 😌🤣
"I don't like it so no one should be able to have it" is not a very good way of making your point.
These features were introduced to iMessage with plenty of excitement from the iOS community, so maybe what you want or need isn't exactly a great representation of what the average user wants.
I just want to be able to send my parents (who use some Android phone) photos, but they never get delivered, and my wife's sister (who also insists on being the only one in the family without an iPhone) is never able to get photos in their group text, either. To fix any of that requires WhatsApp, but that's a nuisance, too!
The media and the goverment have made it out to be a bigger problem that it really is. Most people use 3rd party services, my kids use Snapchat, Signal, whatever except the iMessage app.
This narrative that people are destroyed because of the whole blue/green bubble debacle, is pointless, and just feeds the haters.
I feel the fact that some people are mad that Apple is not implementing a "standard" close sourced by one of its competitors, just seems like the dumbest example of a 1st world problem.
We are in 2023, and it is still not possible to send a photo or video clip in original quality, unless you have an iPhone, or arrange for everyone to use the same chat service. Okay Apple, fine if you don't want to share iMessages with others, but open to RCS so you don't have to constantly do ninja tricks when you want to send a picture to someone who doesn't have an iPhone.
Step up Apple. Nothing lasts forever, remember how it went Nokia.
Step up Apple. Nothing lasts forever, remember how it went Nokia.
With all of the things Google has been caught doing illegally no one in their right mind would believe this.
Google is and always has been part of the intelligence apparatus since its inception. Its original search algorithm was a DARPA project for searching government records. They bought Keyhole, the intelligence spy satellite company for Google Maps. For the purposes of this discussion, Google IS CIA/DHS/FBI behind the laughably thin veil of it being a “public” company.
The same goes for Facebook, which just so happened to launch the same DAY DARPA’s version of it was “shut down”. It’s not a coincidence that Facebook came from that spook-riddled finishing school we call Harvard.
DARPA lifelog: https://www.wired.com/2004/02/pentagon-kills-lifelog-project/
Most of social media had direct and have active ties to intelligence agencies. Most of the “disinformation” boards and government relation departments of these companies are filled with direct “former” intelligence agents and assets. They are not to be trusted.
People caring is the only way for it to get better, rather than worse.
Regulation is the only thing that will fix it. It's way beyond the ability of the individual to circumvent it.
Yup. At this point the world has to look to the EU as the only consumer-focused government entity with enough power to make Apple take this seriously. They got us USB C, now let's see if they can get us better messaging.
It's an annoyance for everyone involved. It's ****ing annoying to me that I can't set up a decent group chat with non-iPhone users - the photos get compressed, I can't easily add or remove members of the chat, I don't get delivered message confirmations.
Apple needs to get it together and push an update to enable RCS support.
Thankfully probably won’t happen at least in the US. I support a company who is a for profit consumer oriented producer of premium products prerogatives’ to run its business legally- free from government regulations. (As long as life, limb or finances aren’t being manipulated)
I can see apple pulling iMessage in the EU since according to posters it’s not used anyway.
Sure you can. This is not an actual problem. Everyone has WhatsApp. Many have Signal these days riding alongside it. This is something that was solved a decade ago, if not more.
I don't believe most people are opposed to better interactions between iPhone and Androids as a point of principle. The problem is RCS itself. Google likes to act like RCS is an industry standard that Apple is refusing to adopt, but the reality is that RCS on its own is quite limited. It is really Google's messaging app that adds all the features that makes it comparable to iMessage like E2E encryption. So basically Google has made their own worse version of iMessage, and pretends it is the new standard, then blames Apple for not adopting it.
I do fault apple for making iMessage an intentional ecosystem lock-in though. At a minimum they should release an Android version if iMessage.
RCS, an open standard, was created by GSMA, a non-profit which has also created standards like SMS and VoLTE. Not created by Google.
Yes, Google currently has the most at stake around the success of RCS, and they do have their own flavor of it that they’ve added on to, but RCS itself is not a Google-created standard. Anybody could go and build on it just like Google has.
Except ALL the people that don't want to Give FaceMetabook any of our information.
Might want to read those T&Cs on WhatsApp and the insane amount of data it has access to on your phone.
Facebook do a pretty good job of hiding the fact that they own WhatsApp going to the extent of creating Meta to hide that. I asked a some friends who owned WhatsApp and they had no idea it was Facebook. Only 2 of the 7/8 knew instagram was too.
Yes but as has been mentioned previously ONLY Google adds the security standards (surely with no backdoors) on top of RCS.
Vanilla RCS is every bit as insecure as SMS, but allows for a bit more modern doohickey’s when it comes to media. If vanilla RCS was actually implemented it would ensure decades more of totally insecure communications. There will never be follow through on making it secure.
So the answer is a standard that is encrypted from its very inception, not an add-on. But again, no nation is going to allow for that because we live in a world of total surveillance.
The EU, at the very least, locks down that spying (a bit more) on the consumer side of things so the business models of the parasitic ad industry has to try harder to comply there (GDPR was a nice clampdown on commercial spying, on paper at least).
I don’t disagree, just countering misinformation. I don’t recall people being up in arms when VoLTE was implemented. This is a different, more complex situation, but both standards have the same creator, and that’s not Google.