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Still way too expensive.. I have a 500$ Meta Quest 3 and hardly use it, tried a Vision Pro before and just simply isn't a use case for it for me and certainly not for 2000$.
Meta headsets don’t even have HDR, worst resolution than established picture quality baselines for TVs and monitors; doesn’t cater to prosumers (let alone the subset that are accustomed to certain capabilities Apple’s prosumer hardware has as far as HDR and sharpness), as well as being sold at unrealistic prices curbing competition and reputation of the category not at all appealing to AAA gamers.

Meta Quest headsets have lost billions per year (14 billion in 2023), do you think Apple’s stakeholders want to lose that much money on headsets per year all of a sudden chasing quality lesser than all their other products?

It’s entitlement to think Apple needs to lose money or follow poor hardware business strategies to penetrate a market that’s supposed to be the most expensive computing platform attempted to be established at large scale.

They can merely have a prosumer standalone headset and everything else lesser form factors of that like glasses that are understandable less capable but more appealing for the masses alongside a prosumer SKU of those mainstream folk will scoff at—just like the iPad Pro, Mac Studio, and Pro Display XDR compared to their mainstream equivalents.
 
It’s amazing how many people have formed an opinion about the Vision Pro without owning one or trying it.

I went into an Apple Store to return an iPhone case recently and the store guy noticed I was looking at them and booked me in for a demo. It was so profound I walked out with one.

This thing is a game changer it just needs the rest of the world to catch up. It’s a profound a change in computing as the command line to desktop. And desktop to mobiles.

In each of those scenarios everyone said ‘it was too expensive” and they would never buy one.

The future is coming and you can’t stop it. We’re already at the point where the best selling iPhone is approaching. £2000 and that’s the starting price of MacBook Pro’s now but that’s somehow too much for a headset?

all these rumours about a 2025 cheap model and a 2026 M5 Pro are greatly encouraging. That and the black magic cameras and post production environment being built out in Final Cut and resolve. It shows Apple is in it for the long haul.

Remember when everyone laughed at the first iPhone because it was too expensive and didn’t have a keyboard. 😀 whatever happened to that brick? I’m sure it flopped and no one bought it.
 
I love Apple computers, but I don’t want one strapped to my face - at all. Hard pass for me, no matter the cost. I can’t be the only one who feels this way.
3D TV failed for a very good reason, and it didn't require a battery pack to be strapped on too.
People liken it to the iPhone, call it another game changer - but the phone game was well matured. What game is this changing, exactly?
 
Another vote for <$1000 before I'd even consider, in case anyone's listening. I'd be fine with tethered to iPhone or Mac.
Just like how you’re not gonna get an OLED iPad Pro at iPad prices or a Pro Display XDR at $2000, a Vision Pro is not gonna be less than $1,000 anytime soon with its capabilities.

Apple would be losing more money than Meta (14 billion in a single year) who sells at unrealistic prices on purpose
 
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The problem is that VR tech is extremely niche, regardless of who makes it. Sony stopped production of their PSVR2 and at one point they slashed the price to $350 and they still were a tough sell on Amazon.
RDNA2 GPU tech was underwhelming and they did not support it actual games nor has quality on par with non-VR games (no HDR, worse quality than 4K TVs) which is a hard sell when the header cost as much or more than the console.

It should have launched with the PS5 Pro already out with PSSR and so on.
 
3D TV failed for a very good reason, and it didn't require a battery pack to be strapped on too.
People liken it to the iPhone, call it another game changer - but the phone game was well matured. What game is this changing, exactly?
3D that started in the 50s then has come back around every decade or so since in crazes? Yeah, it sounds like a thing that died in the 50s and no one ever heard from again.
 
3D that started in the 50s then has come back around every decade or so since in crazes? Yeah, it sounds like a thing that died in the 50s and no one ever heard from again.
3D has thrived in movie theatres and the Vision Pro is one of the few hardware to do it at a sharp quality at home.

4K TVs have too poor PPI for it to be viable compared to 8K+
 
Is it time to declare this a failed product already? I still haven’t seen a truly compelling use case for it and the sales are in the dumps. I just wonder if Apple shouldn’t just give up on this direction and move on to other things.
 
3D TV failed for a very good reason, and it didn't require a battery pack to be strapped on too.
People liken it to the iPhone, call it another game changer - but the phone game was well matured. What game is this changing, exactly?
3D TVs are too poor resolution and too low nits with their implementation; Vision Pro absolutely addresses this for individual consumption via its PPI, Dolby Vision HDR support, and 5000 nits

It also has hands free UI and spatial placing around the use case significantly superior than TVs
 
I cannot picture myself wearing one of these on my head for any price. The OS and the technology look amazing, but I am 52 years old and I just have a line that I am unwilling to cross for my personal technology devices. I guess I am just probably too old, which is fine. I have been an early adopter of tech for much of my life, I feel no requirement to adopt all new technologies. With luck we all eventually start getting old.
Nah. You’re not too old. This is one of those tech products that has a high “gee wiz” factor but no good use case for a vast majority of people. Computer companies have been trying to make headsets “a thing“ and they still haven’t caught on in any meaningful way. It’s not you, headsets just aren’t a great idea for a daily tech product.
 
Nah. You’re not too old. This is one of those tech products that has a high “gee wiz” factor but no good use case for a vast majority of people. Computer companies have been trying to make headsets “a thing“ and they still haven’t caught on in any meaningful way. It’s not you, headsets just aren’t a great idea for a daily tech product.
I have to strongly disagree, especially the accessibility implications, how beneficial such a tech is to private computing, its transformative impact on portable/remote computing and people with great spatial intelligence.
 
The glasses have to be under 1,000 and even then I don't believe they will be successful!

Sony has already learned the lesson with its VR2.
I believe that a pair of glasses should cost a maximum of 499.
 
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There’s that “spatial computing” term Apple likes so much. Too bad we have yet to see a compelling enhanced productivity example of it. And no, I don’t see how media consumption counts for that.
…It’s not a term Apple invented being an established term in human-computer-interaction (HCI) computer science.

The fact you can have a large monitor or even 5K2K monitor (2.0) on the go at any ergonomic angle alongside other apps and windows spatially is a huge game changer how people can work
 
$2,000 is a more palatable price than $3.5K.

We have to remember that lots of people buy Apple for the brand over the cost effectiveness. This will appeal more to the crowd that buys MBPs for Netflix and Twitter.
 
3D has thrived in movie theatres and the Vision Pro is one of the few hardware to do it at a sharp quality at home.

4K TVs have too poor PPI for it to be viable compared to 8K+
Sorry I wasn’t clear. I was being sarcastic illustrating it hadn’t died. It’s incredible on Vision Pro as well as VP being the first home device to support True Cut Motion for movies that support it.
 
…It’s not a term Apple invented being an established term in human-computer-interaction (HCI) computer science.

The fact you can have a large monitor or even 5K2K monitor (2.0) on the go at any ergonomic angle alongside other apps and windows spatially is a huge game changer how people can work
Also the VP is the same price as a comparable OLED TV and half the price of the Pro Display XDR. I use mine to edit HDR videos.
 
from 1999, Axx, no EyeSight, same displays, ram, materials, etc, etc,
from 999, Axx, no EyeSight, same materials, "worst" displays, ram, etc, etc,

thats the right way or else,

👊:apple:
 
3D TVs are too poor resolution and too low nits with their implementation; Vision Pro absolutely addresses this for individual consumption via its PPI, Dolby Vision HDR support, and 5000 nits

It also has hands free UI and spatial placing around the use case significantly superior than TVs
To be fair though the spec sheet of the presumed panels used is 5000 nits that’s not what you get in headset after they’ve been filtered though the lenses. It’s equivalent to about 1000 nits on a really good OLED TV.
 
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One might say the same about the iPhone 2007. Everyone hated it because it was too expensive and didn’t have a keyboard and no one would ever buy it. Whatever happened to that device? Oh yeah. The price tripled and now they sell 350 million devices a year.
 
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$2000 is still really expensive for what will be a crappier experience than we already have in the Vision Pro which is already not selling well. I might consider one for $999, but even then I don't want it to be so heavy since I would mainly use it as a display for watching movies on planes or as additional displays for my Mac when traveling and working remotely outside of my home. Like I said from the beginning, Apple should've made this a companion device to the Mac, iPad, and especially the iPhone. The iPhone has USB-C. Make the Vision Pro basically a fancy display and have it plug in to the iPhone already in your pocket. Get rid of the gimmicks like the eyes on the front, and get rid of the weight like the unnecessary glass and metal on the exterior.

I mean, surely that is what the Apple Glasses will be like, right? They can't fit high end processing into a thin glasses frame, especially since they will need power. They will need to build a new custom wireless chip for high speed data transmission between the iPhone and these future glasses, with the iPhone acting like the brains. The glasses should just be a high resolution, wireless, spatially-aware display.
 
One might say the same about the iPhone 2007. Everyone hated it because it was too expensive and didn’t have a keyboard and no one would ever buy it.

People loved the iPhone -- it was stuck on a subpar carrier (Cingular) at the time and folks wanted Verizon and 3G and then Apps took it over the top

But initial users were in LOVE

It had really no similarities to how AVP has gone

With AVP, we have full blown Apple evangelists (podcast/blogger/reviewer types) struggling to find any reason to even bother putting it on anymore
 
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