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I've been waiting for an M2 Mac Mini to upgrade my old, slow, and not supported by Ventura, Mac Mini 2014. Will be ordering a Dell XPS and PreSonus Studio One. Bye-bye Mac, bye-bye Logic Pro X...
Going from a 2014 computer the M1 will be more than enough. I always find posts like this strange. What will the M2 do that both the M1 and your current computer can’t? How are you still using your current computer if you are so dependent on that tech that’s in M2 but not M1? Going from 2018 to now I can understand, but a 2014 system? The M1 will blow it out of the water without any issue.
 
I don't mind, M1 Pro is my daily work driver, no complaints. I figure M2 Pro will be the introduction of the Mac Pro anyway.

Next upgrade for me is probably M3-M4 Pro at this rate.
 
We replaced a few 2013 tubes with an M1 Pro MBP for graphic design and everyone seems happy with the move.
Specs are 32GB RAM and 2TB SSD.
Running dual Dell 4K 32" displays.
Great config!
 
Also, intel did step up its game in the last 2-3 years, so Apple is probably feeling a lot of pressure not to release a Mac Pro that fares poorly in the inevitable benchmarks comparisons. I'm rocking an M1 Max MBP and it's a marvel of power and efficiency. But the pro desktop users mostly sneer at the efficiency side, caring only for the length of that bar on that benchmark. I'm not the Mac Pro target audience but I've definitely got my fingers crossed that it's going to be awesome.
All Apple really needs to do is play games by Intel and NVIDIA standards. My Mac Studio at max pulls less power from the wall vs my custom built PC on idle. If Apple pumps up the watts it’s going to get interesting.
 
Now that Microsoft Teams has been updated to be Apple Silicon compatible, there isn't anything left that can bring a MacBook Pro wit the M1 Pro / M1 Max to its knees anyway.
 
Not that surprising - I don't think Apple ever release per-model sales/revenue figures, but the MacBook Air and lower-end MacBook Pros probably account for a far bigger chunk of profits than the Mac Pro. Apple could probably run a viable business just selling laptops - although that would probably lead to a slow loss of the higher-end video/graphics/audio apps as developers concentrated on PC.

But, also, the Unique Selling Point for ARM-based CPUs is the power/performance ratio, which makes laptops and tablets the killer applications for Apple Silicon (and also high-density computing/data centre applications where you have vast power and A/C bills - but that's not what iMacs and Mac Pros are for). With desktop workstations - especially full-size towers like the Mac Pro - low power is "nice to have" but not such a killer feature.

Another killer feature of Apple Silicon is that its GPUs thrash any other embedded GPU - particularly Intel's integrated graphics - but once you get to systems large enough to use AMD discrete GPUs, Apple Silicon starts to lose that advantage, especially on software that hasn't been optimised for Metal etc.

So replacing the 2019 Mac Pro with Apple Silicon is pretty challenging - supporting 1.5TB of RAM and multiple, high-end PCIe GPUs by making a new "xeon killer" Apple Silicon chip is expensive, and involves throwing away some of the M1/M2 series' key party tricks like unified, on-package RAM. As for scaling the existing CPU designs: the hypothetical 4xMax M1 Extreme would presumably have topped out at 256GB on-package RAM - maybe M2 can increase that to 512GB - and the initial results of the Studio Ultra suggest that even a 2xMax is getting into diminishing returns without software being highly optimised for the unusual CPU/GPU config. Having all the "pro" software that Mac Pro customers run - including lots of specialist stuff - would also be a major undertaking.

However, it's only the replacement for the 2019 Mac Pro we're waiting for, and only the 2019 Mac Pro that offered such extreme RAM and GPU/PCIe options. The Studio Max and Ultra feel very much like "the Trashcan Mac Pro done right" - and a Studio Max/Ultra + Studio Display combo is the new iMac Pro (or top-end 5k iMac) and comes in at a comparable, if not lower, price.
Your post makes total sense. Maybe its my OCD desire for uniformity that irks me that they didn't upgrade. But it is going to be interesting to see them address the issue of CPU/GPU/Memory being on the one chip. You could put them into cards and people could load them in the Mac Pro but then you'd have bandwidth issues on a motherboard.

Eagerly waiting for the keynote where they drop this technology on people.
 
Glad I didn’t wait the for M2 Mac mini. Not hard to find an 8/256 M1 for less than $500. Given I’ve made money off a 2012 Mac Mini since 2013, $450 to make the leap to M1 was a no-brainer, especially with the M2 delayed. For my uses, the M1 hauls ass.
 
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This statement doesn't make any sense.

The first M1 Macs got released roughly 2 years ago. Most people are not upgrading their PCs every 1-2 years (more like 3-5 years for pros, and 6-7 years for average consumers). Right now, Apple's bigger challenge is likely sorting our their supply chain in China so they can continue to release more hardware to sell to people still on intel Macs.


And Apple accomplishes this by making great products that people are willing to pay a premium for, so our incentives are aligned in this regard at least.

I don't think people are shelling out money for products that they don't enjoy using. At least, if they are doing so, that says more about them than it does about Apple.
I appreciate your well-made points. A couple of questions that interest me if Apple really gives the customer what they want. Why no 27" iMac? That user group won't want to buy a Studio and Stdio Display as a package. iPad sales are down 13% why then produce a 10th Gen with all the compromises and price increases? Do they think the customers for those just won't notice?
 
Tim's "lineup is set" quote seems artfully vague and just the thing you'd say to get people to get off the fence and buy a MacBook Pro now. Best Buy is rocking $400 off their MBPs. Seems like they are clearing out inventory for the new ones.

I expect new ones in November. Personally I'm about to upgrade my late 2013 MBP and I plan on buying one of those on-sale 2021s.
 
Going from a 2014 computer the M1 will be more than enough. I always find posts like this strange. What will the M2 do that both the M1 and your current computer can’t? How are you still using your current computer if you are so dependent on that tech that’s in M2 but not M1? Going from 2018 to now I can understand, but a 2014 system? The M1 will blow it out of the water without any issue.
Really? So you think I need to pay the full price for the system that's been released 2 years ago and will be obsolete 2 years sooner? Strange desire to get the newer and longer supported system? Really? I mean, really? Is it strange? Really?
 
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Apple could increase the standard amount of RAM factory installed and the harddisk space at no cost increase if old processors need to be retained as sort of compensation. Otherwise I'd suggest lowering the prices.
 
Glad I didn’t wait the for M2 Mac mini. Not hard to find an 8/256 M1 for less than $500. Given I’ve made money off a 2012 Mac Mini since 2013, $450 to make the leap to M1 was a no-brainer, especially with the M2 delayed. For my uses, the M1 hauls ass.
Is there an 8/512 config on sale?

I really don’t want to pay full price for a config which is soon to be 2 years old. But hey, Apple sold a Series 3 watch up until September even though it couldn’t support the latest watchOS.
 
I don’t get it. I’m waiting for a M2 Mini. I have a 27” iMac I want to replace. As there is no new 27” iMac I want a ASD + Mini as a replacement. I don’t need a Mini Studio because I’m not doing stuff that’s very demanding BUT I don’t want to buy a Mac that’s 2 years old now (M1 Mini). I can’t be the only one doing this. The “normal” Mini with a larger screen is an obvious replacement choice for former 27” iMac owners.

I get it - the Mini was a niche product… until they killed the 27” iMac. Why do they kill one popular product and then stop updating its replacement?
Your points are well taken. I am quite surprised that Apple has given up so many sales this winter; folks like you waiting for M2 Mini (which should have been really easy) and folks like me waiting for M2 MBPs. My guess is that M2 Pro/Max SoC may have yield or architectural issues, hence the delay there. But plain Jane M2 SoC already is fine in MBAs and 13" MBPs so I see no reason a low end plain M2 Mini was not released.

There are so many things we just do not know; pshaw.
 
Really? So you think I need to pay the full price for the system that's been released 2 years ago and will be obsolete 2 years sooner? Strange desire to get the newer and longer supported system? Really? I mean, really? Is it strange? Really?
You are using a 2014 system that’s already out of date. It doesn’t seem like it’s an issue for you. If you need a computer now, buy now.
 
Your points are well taken. I am quite surprised that Apple has given up so many sales this winter; folks like you waiting for M2 Mini (which should have been really easy) and folks like me waiting for M2 MBPs. My guess is that M2 Pro/Max SoC may have yield or architectural issues, hence the delay there. But plain Jane M2 SoC already is fine in MBAs and 13" MBPs so I see no reason a low end plain M2 Mini was not released.

There are so many things we just do not know; pshaw.
I always wondered if it’s a supply issue that the M2 MBA, 13” M2 MBP, and 2022 iPad Pros are using up M2 stock until they can add more device fab facilities. Like TMSC and Apple can’t ramp up production that fast for more Macs to use the new SoC?
 
Excluding sub $999 laptops/esktops what is Apple's market share?
Folks forget that there are scores of computer vendors. Apple is one of the largest vendors by sales, period. Include the $999 crap and Apple is still the fourth largest vendor.
 
I don't care that there aren't new SoC's coming out yet. But all of this seems to be holding up an update on the 32" display. That thing is over three years old now. Give us a new big screen Apple!
 
You are using a 2014 system that’s already out of date. It doesn’t seem like it’s an issue for you. If you need a computer now, buy now.
That oft-repeated platitude "If you need a computer now, buy now" is not sage advice. Obviously if one's old box dies immediate replacement is necessary, but that is not the normal case. Normal is that one's old box is slowly aging out and it becomes about time to replace it.

M2 chips have been in Macs for ~two years now, and M2 represents tens of thousands of hours spent by Apple engineers improving the SoC from M1 to M2. Any wise buyer will be looking for M2 over M1, unless pricing is discounted enough to justify buying older tech.

So for folks like me ready to upgrade from a still-working 2016 MBP and needing to buy a maxed out (therefore typically not substantially discounted yet) MBP, buying last year's M1 would mean always being a year behind on the tech curve. Instead we simply wait a few months until M2 Pro/Max delivery starts happening. Meanwhile Apple loses sales.

Note that we still might buy M1, but only if discounting becomes substantial enough to justify last year's tech.
 
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You are using a 2014 system that’s already out of date. It doesn’t seem like it’s an issue for you. If you need a computer now, buy now.
I've been waiting for an updated Mac Mini as now the 2014 system is both outdated, and no longer actively supported. So why would I purchase an already outdated, 2 year old model? And to remind you, we're talking about non-upgradable appliance, it's not an open architecture with standardized components, like a PC, where you could buy a state of the art system, use it for a while, then upgrade the components as you go, nope, you can't add storage, RAM, upgrade the CPU, you're getting a proprietary SoC system. So, do you really think it's a great idea to drop a significant amount of money on that? Would you suggest someone to go get an iPhone 12 today, instead of iPhone 14? For the same amount of money? It might make sense to get an iPhone 12 at a significant discount. But you're not getting any discounts on those outdated Macs.
 
I want a replacement for a iMac 27" with an M2 chip as the Mac Studio + Apple Studio Display is a sorry sidegrade that is 50% too expensive. I intend to keep it for a decade.
The beauty of the Mac Studio is that you are not forced to use Apple’s displays which I never liked anyway. I’m using LG monitors for my Apple products. My Mac Studio ended up costing less than an iMac would.
 
I've been waiting for an updated Mac Mini as now the 2014 system is both outdated, and no longer actively supported. So why would I purchase an already outdated, 2 year old model? And to remind you, we're talking about non-upgradable appliance, it's not an open architecture with standardized components, like a PC, where you could buy a state of the art system, use it for a while, then upgrade the components as you go, nope, you can't add storage, RAM, upgrade the CPU, you're getting a proprietary SoC system. So, do you really think it's a great idea to drop a significant amount of money on that? Would you suggest someone to go get an iPhone 12 today, instead of iPhone 14? For the same amount of money? It might make sense to get an iPhone 12 at a significant discount. But you're not getting any discounts on those outdated Macs.
It’s not outdated. Where is the M2 Mac Mini? Where can I buy one? There is no timeline, just rumors when the M2 Mac mini will be here. This is like saying the M2 is outdated because M3 is coming. I assume sine the M2 Air has been out a bit you feel the same way that it’s outdated. Mac mini could be updated in 2024 for all we know.
 
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