ProfessionalFan
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Considering the way some are acting here about iOS 16, I'm surprised to see this. People are behaving like iOS 16 is riddled with bugs and is borderline unusable.
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Gurman: iOS 17 to Provide Several 'Most Requested Features'
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It would be more important with the iPad.
But it can also make sense for a phone, e.g. separation between private and business use.
IOS is a very mature system . It is very good, but people will take this for granted (human nature).
There is simply no significant update to expect ( the AI revolution will force drastic changes , but mikely next year).
So for now it will be people comparing about bugs, and small quality of life annoyances.
Realityck
macrumors G5
I assume part of the decision will be against what gets added versus multiple impressions. Sometimes you can pull a rabbit out of the hat to everyone’s surprise.
AndiG
macrumors 65816
What OS are you talking about? Ventura? The most buggy macOS release ever?
Exchange Sync broke (while is was working before for many years) and still isn't fixed at 100% (but useable for me, again). Samba file share broke (this is fixed). Just to name two very annoying and major bugs. But just search the internet about Ventura bugs.
If you're only surfing the web - there might not as many bugs you can see. And yes, Apple did improve Safari a little bit after it was called the new IE6 and I don't see that many rendering errors it showed before.
I think that everybody I know, can tell you a story about Ventura.
You do realize that this thread is about IOS 17?
ikir
macrumors 68020
How is done id sometimes the innovation. This features is a game changer since it is happening in real time and super useful to the average user or the professional. I just put there two examples but you can read by yourself how many specifics, under the hood or make my life easier new features are put in new Ones in general. But if you have this attitude, I suppose your replies will be similar to this one.
ProfessionalFan
macrumors 603
Yep. It'd be the same thing as if flying cars actually became a thing and people said it isn't innovation since cars have existed for many years. Ignoring the clear differences to try and never be wrong.
Kal Madda
macrumors 601
I mean, it’s not like including new features = we can’t fix any bugs. Bug fixes are what all those little updates throughout the rest of the year are for.
AndiG
macrumors 65816
This thread is about turning iOS17 into a feature and bug hell again. And basically every Apple OS is a buggy mess - not to mention Apple introduced monitorOS so it can produce and ship new bugs.
https://www.macrumors.com/2023/01/16/ios-16-bugs-after-launch/
I posted my opinion: Stick to the plan to make iOS17 a bugfixing, stability and performance release. This includes macOS14 as well.
Kal Madda
macrumors 601
Agreed, way more negative takes and outrage than positive. And even when Apple hands some people features they’ve been asking for like external monitor support with iPad Stage Manager, there’s always a flood of outrage that “it’s not done right” or etc etc. At least there are a decent number of people who talk about it positively, but you should see Reddit. Someone says something positive about their new setup with Stage Manager on iPadOS 16, and tons of people bomb the comments to tell them how wrong they are for liking it, and that’s it’s really just trash. Too much of that around lately I think.
Realityck
macrumors G5
That’s only your interpretation of every new major release you know. Grumman never implied that. Previously there was this conjecture too many resources were being dragged away to support the misguided notion that realityOs with no content needed a rescue. Also there are no facts involved yet to form any speculation about the topic. We all know as much as the other guy. 😉
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ProfessionalFan
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There is an app that does that but you'd have to pay. Just an option if you weren't aware.
There are probably other apps also.
phenste
macrumors 6502a
the “all or nothing thing” seems like the trajectory
has been on for a solid…nine years now. (just going all the way back to iOS 7 for the fun of it)this isn’t even touching on iPadOS. that OS is inherently broken. getting the M2 MBP and banishing my iPad Pro to the dark realm (save for the occasional useful use-case for Apple Pencil) was one of my best Apple-related days of recent time.
(not like even macOS is much to speak of these days. yeah, it’s still better than Windows, but good lord…after going a solid five years not using a Mac on a daily basis, it’s stunning to me how many little changes they’ve made that completely f— with a longtime power user’s flow. first one that comes to mind: am I crazy, or did I *not* have to specifically Command-click in order to move multiple things around before? did it not used to be as simple as Shift-selecting/Command-selecting/dragging across items in Finder or on desktop [whatever’s easiest for the use case] and moving them, without holding down an extra button for no reason? someone please tell me if there’s a fix for this. the new System Prefs are far too iOS for my liking and I’ve barely bothered touching them.)
phenste
macrumors 6502a
well at the very least, you can technically hide apps…they just go into the App Library 🤪😂
Octavius8
macrumors 65816
What are the “most requested features”?, where do Apple gets that info from?. From the loudest voices who represent a minority?.
How about a WORKING DIAL PAD??
And a MODERN KEYBOARD and EDITING FEATURE?. Nowadays I envy Android users for that. Try a Huawei phone to edit text. It is Years ahead from Apple.
How about a WORKING DIAL PAD??
And a MODERN KEYBOARD and EDITING FEATURE?. Nowadays I envy Android users for that. Try a Huawei phone to edit text. It is Years ahead from Apple.
Octavius8
macrumors 65816
And a super smart way and “Apple praised way” to solve the Apple induced NEW problem of muting the iPhone with a button instead of the no-fuss switch. How many computing cycles and lines of code have to be developed and wasted just because “we want to break and fix something to show we are working and innovators ” strategy?
compwiz1202
macrumors 604
LOL the same that annoys me about my Z Flip 4. And what's more annoying is it only seems to notify about every email while in the app.
Realityck
macrumors G5
Rumor’s always seem to take the air out of the sails. It’s a major update thats feature set is MIA because nothing has been announced. 😀
As a recent convert from Pixel/Android, iOS seems pretty stable to me 🤷♂️
Is there any specific area you think needs improvement?
baryon
macrumors 601
Honestly I think the new lock screen and new Focus thingy is terrible. Before it was simple to change your background picture, now each time you do it it removes your widgets and creates a brand new lock screen, or you have to go back to another lock screen and "edit" it, but you can only do that from the lock screen but you can't do it because it's locked, and if you unlock it you are brought to the home screen... it's a mess.
Focus also sucks. Now your "sleep" schedule is tied to the "sleep" focus but every other focus can be edited directly except for Sleep. And which one will be displayed in Control Center is random and you can never trust this whole mess because it's too complicated for something as simple as "make my phone silent".
iOS is starting to get feature bloat. Instead, they should fix autocorrect and finally make the keyboard useable so that you're not forced to use buggy 3rd party keyboards that steal your data and crash every 2 sentences.
Focus also sucks. Now your "sleep" schedule is tied to the "sleep" focus but every other focus can be edited directly except for Sleep. And which one will be displayed in Control Center is random and you can never trust this whole mess because it's too complicated for something as simple as "make my phone silent".
iOS is starting to get feature bloat. Instead, they should fix autocorrect and finally make the keyboard useable so that you're not forced to use buggy 3rd party keyboards that steal your data and crash every 2 sentences.
I think it’s hilarious that the same people who say “if it’s broke, don’t fix it” when it comes to the mute switch are now saying the exact opposite when it comes to the… checks notes… app icons?
“Just change them,” they say. “It doesn’t matter that billions, literally billions of people are used to them and know what they are, change them anyway.”
“Just change them,” they say. “It doesn’t matter that billions, literally billions of people are used to them and know what they are, change them anyway.”