Gurman: iPad Pro With 'M2' Chip and MagSafe Charging Likely to Launch in Fall 2022

[Traverse]

Apple is laying the groundwork in iPad Pro hardware for changes in the OS. The 16 GB RAM for example is a major update. It allows Apple to increase memory allocation to individual applications.

And to pre-empt the inevitable posts that larger storage capacity iPad Pros need more RAM to manage the storage, that's baloney. The additional RAM has nothing to do with storage. It never has, despite incorrect claims about this in the past.

It’s the hope that kills you.

Last WWDC right on the heels of the first iPad with the Mac-level chip and RAM, plus thunderbolt, and all we received was minor refinements in iPadOS 15 broke me.

What you’re saying is the logical path, but I’ve been disappointed too many times to have any expectations.

 

[VaruLV]

Make iPadOS pro-worthy, add back 3.5mm or at lest another TB4/USB4x40 port, better both.
I can say that I love my M1 12.9 Pro, however, for the most part, its overkill for iPadOS and not quite pro-like for all sorts of pro and non-pro tasks that people would love to handle with it.

I wont be buying any iPad Pro unless they fix above mentioned issues.

Knew what I was buying and it will serve me well, however, certainly not the best investment if you need only larger screen iPad and not need other bells and whistles.

 

[FrozenDarkness]

Looks like m2 will be quite incremental

Which isnt a big deal really. The problem with intel was that they moved slower than their original tick tock refresh. Apple may be bringing it back

 

[Royksöpp]

Rumored for Early 2023

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I would gag if Apple released an "iPad Studio".

 

[Unregistered 4U]

I very much doubt that Apple see it being worth their time to bring exclusive features to the small demographic of high end iPad Pro users.

Plus, the iPad outsells ALL Macs by a pretty wide margin. They’re doing a lot right by those customers. There are simply more people in the world interested in the iPad than the Mac.

 

[tmanto02]

The first device with an M2 chip will be a notebook, not a tablet

 

[waloshin]

All this complaining that it needs to run Mac OS has been going on since the M1 iPad Pro… though Apple still sold a ton of them. There will not be no MAC OS on an iPad.

Apple needs M2 in an iPad Pro to keep selling them over the new Air.

 

[AlexESP]

Yeah, I generally agree, I don't see Apple ever doing some kind of dual boot or even dual UI setup. In fact, they are already showing their approach with the UI elements they've added to support the Magic Keyboard with its trackpad. With the Magic Keyboard additions, iPadOS and iPad apps are slowly adding more usability for a keyboard/trackpad input. This is reinforced with the Apple Silicon Macs being able to run iPad apps.

The remaining holes IMHO are the iPad's support for external monitors, which is still limited to mirroring or use as a video output. Proper support would probably need some kind of windowing support which implies better multitasking.

The other hole to me is better file system support as the iOS model is too restricted at least to me.

I agree, support for external monitors is a much needed improvement. In fact, it already exists, but only for displayed content (i.e. with LumaFusion). The question is how you can control an external screen with a touchscreen (and still control the later independently), which is not indirect control, like a mouse. It could be limited to MK mode, but still there are some problems to solve.

 

[Realityck]

All this complaining that it needs to run Mac OS has been going on since the M1 iPad Pro… though Apple still sold a ton of them. There will not be no MAC OS on an iPad.

Apple needs M2 in an iPad Pro to keep selling them over the new Air.

Its will take more than that, the iPad Pro needs more capabilities via IPadOS than a faster SoC.

 

[cwwilson]

I dunno fellas. My 2020 iPad is due to be paid off through AT&T in November and I still think it's way overpowered as is I can't imagine an M2 version of this beast.

We'll see what's what when this one comes out but for my needs I can still get by just fine with my current iPP and I would welcome the relief on my bill once all that's taken care of lol!

 

[BMcCoy]

Is there anyone genuinely wanting to buy an iPad Pro, but waiting until theres‘s a bit more processor power?

at the money, the only reason I’d buy a pro over an air is for the 120hz screen.

 

[code-m]

M2 is going to replace M1 running in the fab, so that’s a given and I understand that,
Wireless charging a device like an iPad pot is utter nonsense, very inefficient and thus contrary to all the environment claims.

Is the SmartConnector charging inefficient.

 

[code-m]

I've already decided I won't be another iPad until they fix that. Its really comical that its been out this long and they refuse to put the camera where it should be.

Considering CenterStage is aching to be viewed in landscape mode it seems Apple needs an excuse for people to upgrade or purchase.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

Maybe now that is the plan, but it wasn't so long ago that Apple were trying too tell us we didn't need a "computer" because an iPad could do it all. I reckon they were quite prepared to drop Macs altogether as an inconvenience from another era and put all of their resources into iPhones, iPads, accessories and subscriptions. I am glad they are beck to telling us that the Mac has always been in their DNA etc. But I reckon Cook would have dropped the Macs like a stone. That was around the time they had not updated many Macs for years. It was also felt then that we never see another Apple display.

A lot of people don’t need a computer. And, millions are buying iPads and realizing that’s the case. Apple are still willing to sell Macs to the few millions folks a year that want them. And, with Apple Silicon, those sales can drop to the single digit millions and perhaps continue to be profitable, which is a VERY good thing for those that like the Mac.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

I don’t think most people who talk about “DeX mode” really know of the limitations of DeX.

 

[code-m]

One thing is what people want, and what *can* be done. That’s why DeX makes a good demo, but no one (always with exceptions, of course) uses it. In my opinion, that’s not posible for multiple reasons:

• From a technical point of view, you cannot seamlessly switch between two operating systems in real time.
• Even if you could (or we go with the “iPadOS with desktop version, but not macOS” approach), from functional point of view, there are many UX problems with no good solution (how to switch between floating windows and fullscreen when connecting/disconnecting, how to prevent applications that could not be used in “touch mode”, etc.). Apple is trying with the adapted mouse pointer, and it’s still not easy.
• Tablets are still very light and thin devices with focus on battery life, and features like multitasking are carefully considered for them. That’s a good reason why iPadOS and macOS are so different when it comes to power management.

I’m not saying it “can’t” be technically done: of course, you could potentially reboot, access different volumes for areas that could or couldn’t be used in one partition or the other (let’s not even think about that…), etc. But in the end, I like Apple because they are careful and have a clear intention when designing their devices, and don’t ship something because they can. Those issues I mentioned before are always downplayed when they can effectively ruin user experience, and that’s the reason why all implementation attempts from other companies have failed. I’m pretty sure almost all people advocating for an iPad+Mac merge would not use it.

You do realize that over the years features and functions from iPadOS have been making it to macOS. The UI/UX argument does not hold water. For one both the iPad Pro/Air 5 have an M1 chip like the MBA and both have no active cooling. Both have a battery life of 10+ hours, both are portable and lightweight and once the MagicKeyboard Cover is added it is thicker and weights more than a MBA.

I don’t think macOS in its present form will make it to an iPad, however that does not mean an extended desktop type version will not. There is a reason why iPadOS supports a trackpad and mouse and it’s not limited to accessibility reasons.

Apple knows that throwing more hardware power behind a stalled capable OS is a recipe for disaster hence it shows with dropping iPad sales figures. Apple would be enthralled to lump tablet sales with Mac laptop sales if the OS is similar if not capable of such merit.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Is there anyone genuinely wanting to buy an iPad Pro, but waiting until theres‘s a bit more processor power?

No. Apple is just keeping the cutting edge...on the cutting edge

I don't really think they look at as a year to year upgrade draw

 

[4jasontv]

I don’t think most people who talk about “DeX mode” really know of the limitations of DeX.

For one, it's not Windows. That's really the only limitation most people need to hear. But a macOSDeX device would probably do very well if it uses shared storage and has the option to push OSX to an external display while still being an iPad on the primary. Wireless displays exist now, so it's not like we need that tech to be developed.

 

[whcchief]

Yes, I agree and it will be interesting to see what happens at WWDC. However, Apple is very aware of the balance needed to keep iPadOS extremely simple. As long as MacOS exists (and it's not going anywhere anytime soon) Apple will always prioritize keeping iPadOS simplicity as that's what majority of it's users need.

I understand they can create hidden complexity for power users, but I can't see them creating complexity at the expense of simplicity. It's a difficult thing to do.

They may be in the process of re-doing iPadOS and by the time a few generations of M1/M2 etc chips are out they'll have a lot more devices to allow people to upgrade if they are planning on a more demanding OS.

 

[JayMysterio]

I think what people keep failing to consider is that what THEY consider to a pro version of anything, let alone iPad OS, isn't pro or even needed by everyone else. Just because iPad OS doesn't fulfill their needs, it doesn't mean it isn't working for or can be worked with by others. What it does mean is that that OS as is, isn't sufficient for YOUR needs. Fortunately Apple does make a set of devices that according to many of those displeased with iPad OS ( in the iPad forums ) that does feature an OS that many would like iPad OS to be. Even though iPad OS clearly presents itself as not being Mac OS.

Let's be honest as well. It's a pretty good chance that Apple can NEVER make iPad OS "pro" enough for it's detractors. Which would make it a fool's game to chase that crowd, and keep making an OS that they envision.

 

[jz0309]

Is the SmartConnector charging inefficient.

And how is that related to wireless charging?

 

[0924487]

In my mind, the story and focus should be on the new iPadOS. The M2 chip and MagSafe are gimmick sales tactics without a more robust OS.

iPadOS still dose not have true backgrounding capabilities. Uploading a big file in Google Drive or rendering in iMovies still don’t work in background.

 

[tripper57]

Bloomberg's Mark Gurman expects next-generation iPad Pro models to launch in the fall of this year, according to his latest newsletter.

In his "Power On" newsletter, Gurman speculated that since Apple did not launch new iPad Pros this month at its "Peek Performance" event, it is reasonable to now expect new models to arrive between September and November this year. In a previous report, Gurman said that Apple was planning "the wildest array of new hardware products in its history" for the fall of 2022, and this selection of new releases now looks increasingly likely to include updated iPad Pro models.

As the MacRumors Buyer's Guide shows, new iPad Pro models have launched in March 2016, June 2017, October 2018, March 2020, and April 2021, meaning that Apple seems to take between 13 and 16 months to update the product line. Gurman's expectation seems to suggest a longer timeframe for the iPad Pro this year, postulating that its launch could be up to 19 months after the release of the current model. This also means that the current, 2021 iPad Pros could be among the longest-lasting models to date.

There have been few rumors about the next-generation iPad Pro in recent months, but Gurman affirmed that he expects the new iPad Pro models to feature MagSafe charging, as well as the "M2" chip. The M2 chip is expected to have the same 8-core CPU as the ‌M1‌, but will benefit from speed and efficiency improvements thanks to TSMC's 4-nanometer process. It is also rumored to have additional GPU cores, with 9- and 10-core GPU options, up from the 7- and 8-core GPU options in the ‌M1‌ chip.

Article Link: Gurman: iPad Pro With 'M2' Chip and MagSafe Charging Likely to Launch in Fall 2022

What about the rumor that the front camera will be centered in landscape position vs current center in portrait orientation? That camera position is way outdated in the world of Zoom

 

[chucker23n1]

One thing is what people want, and what *can* be done. That’s why DeX makes a good demo, but no one (always with exceptions, of course) uses it.

It isn’t even clear to me that people it. Some geeks do, sure.

“I have this desk with a screen and input devices but no computer; let me attach my phone” just doesn’t strike me as a scenario that makes much sense.

• Even if you could (or we go with the “iPadOS with desktop version, but not macOS” approach), from functional point of view, there are many UX problems with no good solution (how to switch between floating windows and fullscreen when connecting/disconnecting, how to prevent applications that could not be used in “touch mode”, etc.). Apple is trying with the adapted mouse pointer, and it’s still not easy.

I suspect iPadOS will get better on that front. The current behavior of connecting an iPad to an external display is rather poor. Apple can’t be that happy with it.

• Tablets are still very light and thin devices with focus on battery life, and features like multitasking are carefully considered for them. That’s a good reason why iPadOS and macOS are so different when it comes to power management.

The two will converge on that.

But in the end, I like Apple because they are careful and have a clear intention when designing their devices,

Agreed.

 

[zedsdead]

Unless something in iPad OS 16 comes that makes this need or the screen goes miniLED I will be sticking with my 2018 pro.