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Gurman: Mac Studio Isn't One-Off Stopgap Product, New Models Planned
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Here I've been making a living creating 2 & 3D design, video, and audio with a Mac that doesn't run Intel emulations, when I'm supposed to just set and look at it? What was I thinking?
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Not so long ago, actually centuries in computer timing, you could get a mac pro for about $1000 - $1500, it was a power PC mac but still was very affordable (for being a mac pro), but I doubt they think the Mac Pro should be that cheap since they moved to intel.
My bet is that they will phase out Mac Pro as they did with Mac Server.
Yep, my bet is that they will do eventually as they did with the Mac Server.
No radeons
And more importantly, no Nvidias, at least they got rid of intel's GPUs.
Lots of stopgaps, if you think about it. The trashcan MacPro, the iMacPro (which I loved although it meant a two-display setup) and now the studio, which is basically the trashcan with better air conditioning. Have to admit, except for high end 3D work that utilizes special GPU I see little market for an even more beefed up Pro and the problem in that market segment is that people do not often use macs due to software issues and Apples absurd pricing. It’s a high-end product everybody demands but very few folks actually buy.
I would love to see a really nice replacement of the 5K iMac / iMacPro as AIO-workstation, basically a Studio sans Ultra for 2D design work and light Video work etc. M3Max, four to six TB-port, up to 8 TB, up to 128GB RAM. A Studio with Ultra, more ports, more RAM. And a crazy made-to-order-bring-your-own-cards-racing car Pro for those thatcan afford and would love such a machine that can and must be re-configurable by the user for years to come. Although we all know these machines woneben used for ten years anymore and having a cheaper machine that you can completely replace more often is probably now the way to go with Apple Silicon.
I would love to see a really nice replacement of the 5K iMac / iMacPro as AIO-workstation, basically a Studio sans Ultra for 2D design work and light Video work etc. M3Max, four to six TB-port, up to 8 TB, up to 128GB RAM. A Studio with Ultra, more ports, more RAM. And a crazy made-to-order-bring-your-own-cards-racing car Pro for those thatcan afford and would love such a machine that can and must be re-configurable by the user for years to come. Although we all know these machines woneben used for ten years anymore and having a cheaper machine that you can completely replace more often is probably now the way to go with Apple Silicon.
Are colors really rgat important, I would have though that the hw in the box was way more important as thst determines much more of the day to day ux than what color yje computer happens to be.
I’d take a Space Grey Mac Studio. I feel like the more modern colour would look better on the relatively bulky Studio chassis.
In other news, the Porsche 911 is not just a stopgap product amid the wait for another new sports car.
What a ridiculous thing to say. After all the R&D and marketing that went into the Studio, literally NO ONE would have ever thought it was a "stopgap". 🤦♂️
Color is that important to me. If they release a new studio in good colors, I'll trade in my M1 studio just to have a cool color.
With Apple computer sales plunging comparatively more than competitors, the Mac Studio is in some ways in competition with Mac Mini.
So contrary to Gurman's assertion it may make more sense to have a common platform of either Mac studio or Mac mini, but not both. That makes production cheaper, and where personally having both I prefer the Mac mini, as it can be used as plug in servers, and fulfils most of the needs for most users.
Of course if they make the decision to drop the Studio, then they can change the form of the Mac mini, but then know it will be the common hardware platform and can make that available in multiple configurations with very little production overhead.
I steered clear of the M2 configurations on all Apple products, as I was underwhelmed by their specs and this is not a comment in hindsight, as I mentioned it way back, and Apple's implementation of M2 within products, including of course the PR failure as a result of SSD speeds even though for most users it would be negligible difference, but in the PR world it didn't read well for a new product.
With the best of both Mac Mini and Mac Studio into one unit with heat sink considerations being less of a problem in the M3, the variations would still be there without significant extra cost, so it would appeal to first user and high end users alike, based on the respective configuration.
Although I mention 'underwhelmed' by M2 configuration this is in no small way because the M1 performance was really impressive, and I bought an M1 iMac to play around with and I was astounded at how good it was, and for first users still is!
With a common platform but much greater performance variations within it, makes more sense than two separate products competing against each other.
So contrary to Gurman's assertion it may make more sense to have a common platform of either Mac studio or Mac mini, but not both. That makes production cheaper, and where personally having both I prefer the Mac mini, as it can be used as plug in servers, and fulfils most of the needs for most users.
Of course if they make the decision to drop the Studio, then they can change the form of the Mac mini, but then know it will be the common hardware platform and can make that available in multiple configurations with very little production overhead.
I steered clear of the M2 configurations on all Apple products, as I was underwhelmed by their specs and this is not a comment in hindsight, as I mentioned it way back, and Apple's implementation of M2 within products, including of course the PR failure as a result of SSD speeds even though for most users it would be negligible difference, but in the PR world it didn't read well for a new product.
With the best of both Mac Mini and Mac Studio into one unit with heat sink considerations being less of a problem in the M3, the variations would still be there without significant extra cost, so it would appeal to first user and high end users alike, based on the respective configuration.
Although I mention 'underwhelmed' by M2 configuration this is in no small way because the M1 performance was really impressive, and I bought an M1 iMac to play around with and I was astounded at how good it was, and for first users still is!
With a common platform but much greater performance variations within it, makes more sense than two separate products competing against each other.
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Then they need to change their product line. For example Mac Studio is priced completely wrong and its price is only artificial because of the specs. They should've ignore M2 Pro Macs and instead offer lower tier options for Mac Studio as it once was with iMacs. Eg. there is a huge price and spec gap between base M1 Max Studio model and M1 Ultra Studio model. Why not give an option for M1 Ultra with 32 GB RAM? That would save hundreds of USD to someone who is not in a need of 64 GB model. Same with the GPU for Ultra model. I don't need such powerful GPU, I would be ok with 24C or even 18C GPU. You can write that there is Mac Mini for that but Mac Mini lacks in I/O (no SD-card slot) and form factor. If they make everything in-house and I have to wait for many weeks for CTO, then I want to have flexibility to choose what they put into my computer and enable me to save money by doing it. Also, what's the point of maxing out M2 Mac Mini only for it to be slightly cheaper than entry level Mac Studio? That doesn't make sense at all.
I don't hear a thing.
As many have said most likely they will wait for the M3, after the Mac Pro release.
Hope not. Fits quite nicely into its nitch.
I don't hear a thing. Don't see any whine in audiotools either. The uptick after 16.1k isn't from the Mac Studio as it is doesn't change when I move away from my Studio Ultra. Note that this reading included the sounds of my pressing the screen shot buttons.
Why would that make a difference? That's an OS issue.
As some don't hear it sounds like particular units.
as above iMac Pro.
For one thing timing. Studio has been out for over a year while the MacPro hasn't appeared yet.
Can offer better hardware (ports, memory, cpu, gpu) than Mini without the high cost of the expandable chassis MacPro.
I think Gurman is wrong and the M2 Ultra will come to the Mac Studio.
The actual Mac Pro is a workstation product, priced accordingly, appealing to a very small group of buyers.
The Mac Studio is the Apple Silicon Mac Pro for the 'masses' and Apple will want to sell more M2 Ultra chips than the Mac Pro alone would justify.
The actual Mac Pro is a workstation product, priced accordingly, appealing to a very small group of buyers.
The Mac Studio is the Apple Silicon Mac Pro for the 'masses' and Apple will want to sell more M2 Ultra chips than the Mac Pro alone would justify.
One product I would LOVE to see being reintroduced is larger iMac and iMac Pro (27" or 32"). It is perfect size, all-in-one, easily transportable, etc. the 24" iMac is too small for my need.
l did look at mac mini and decided against it for two reasons: I would have to deal with the more cables for the separate monitor and webcam. Although, the built-in Apple webcam isn't as superior as some of webcams, I am fine with it for FaceTime and video conference.
l did look at mac mini and decided against it for two reasons: I would have to deal with the more cables for the separate monitor and webcam. Although, the built-in Apple webcam isn't as superior as some of webcams, I am fine with it for FaceTime and video conference.
The iMac Pro certainly was. Maybe wasn’t intended to be, though.In other news, the Porsche 911 is not just a stopgap product amid the wait for another new sports car.
What a ridiculous thing to say. After all the R&D and marketing that went into the Studio, literally NO ONE would have ever thought it was a "stopgap". 🤦♂️
That is still a possibility even though we tend to think no more Intel macs, its recognizine businesses require several years of software support. However this can also be attained by software improvements that allow intel applications to run under Rosetta 2 even with AS platform. It’s up to Apple to determine which to use. I do think a cheaper Mac Pro can resolve a lot of issues, compared to the 2019 models of Mac Pro. Before the 2013 model the Mac Pro were half priced.
Yes I have two Ultras [128GB and 64GB] and they are both absolutely silent and run cold.You are right they are just great computers. And I really really like the form factor.