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I'm actually happy to not have Time Machine to be honest. I've got everything on it synced via iCloud to my Mac(s) and they can do Time Machine backup from there, the iPad is already backed up to iCloud.

I've actually accidentally wiped it via bad pin code before (forgot out corp policy was fewer bad pins before wipe and had just changed my pin at 4am and tried to see how many goes before I got it right) and was back up and running via iCloud backup in 30 minutes or so.

it doesn't really store a lot of data uniquely on device - YMMV. My iPad could get stolen/wiped/destroyed right now and outside of replacing the device (or in the meantime switching to one of my other devices) I wouldn't care - I'd lose basically nothing because its all synced.

iPad for me is basically for diagrams (synced to OneNote 365 or Notes), photos, GPS/Maps, light office use and ssh/rdp to multiple hosts. RDP/SSH drops when left in the background because iOS is brutal with app termination or not multitasking. The device has the power for it, let the user opt in to letting apps run in the background!

Yes, I too try to keep as much on iCloud, and do stick with Apple apps, as much as possible, for better data integrity.

I presume your iPad's non-Apple apps have their individual config settings stored on third-party servers that are tied to your login credentials, while the app's data stays on iCloud.

But you've got to be careful with Time Machine and iCloud: TM only back's up files that are on-device.

So, yeah, looks good enough, just about !
 
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Most of the iOS restrictions are due to being a bit of a clean start software wise and building with security in mind from the start and Apple gradually implementing new ways of doing things in a less insecure manner.

macOS is an evolution of a platform that was not originally built with a chain of trust all the way from the firmware, but is eventually adopting iOS security concepts (perhaps once they've been trialed in iOS and proven to work OK).

Yes, I'm aware they're both based on a common platform going back to NEXTStep, but the UI and application libraries started in different places; iOS was built with at least some of the lessons learned from security mistakes made by every previous major platform released since the 70s.

The above is why, to your question below.

Why duplicate 20+ years of work, when you can easily just allow dual booting and have those same macOS capabilities for a fraction of the cost?

There's not as much duplicated effort as you may suspect, at the core both platforms are similar, but iOS has the freedom from legacy software compatibility that macOS does not.

Apple can be more experimental without breaking things on iOS, before figuring out how to back-port things back to macOS without breaking things, or at a slow enough pace where the breakage (on the application side) is acceptable in small amounts.

The path is the same, the end-point is similar, iOS and iPadOS are just further down the line of evolution in some respects (security wise), but behind and evolving in other respects (feature wise, within the iOS security restrictions).

e.g., cut/paste on the IOS devices goes through an application firewall. that's not something that used to exist on macOS (Just had a shared clipboard anything could snoop) and why it had to be re-implemented.



re: dual booting
Take it from somebody who did dual boot windows/linux for over a decade - dual boot sucks. You end up sticking in whatever platform you're currently in because the time and effort required to reboot is more than the gain you'd get from being in the other OS.

It's wasted time that doesn't need to occur if you can engineer the one platform to work better.
 
Considering iOS / iPadOS / MacOS all use the same base operating system and the differences are in the window managers and active or installed services it shouldn't be hard to use MacOS was the underlying OS at all times. When undocked from MK lock the user into Springboard and disable "MacOS features". When docked ask to confirm switching window managers / services. Could probably even fairly easily all switching between "environments" on the fly. Think a lightweight, built-in Parallels. You could even have the option at setup whether to install / configure / activate the option to switch or configure as iPadOS-only.
Yeah, something similar to Samsung's DeX feature, but way more capable because Apple owns the entire stack (mobile + desktop).
 
One of Apple's biggest mistakes was adding a cursor to the iPad. iPad is a touch first device, so it should be a touch first device. Magic keyboard with trackpad makes no sense and it's a classic case of listening to the customer who is wrong. Imagine when the iPhone was first released and everyone complained about a lack of keyboard so Apple shrinks the screen and adds a keyboard to the iPhone.

Apple should just ditch the magic keyboard and trackpad IMO. Let iPad be iPad and let Mac be Mac.

What makes even less sense is a touchscreen Mac. Hope Apple never makes one. Such an incredibly stupid idea.
I literally created an account just to respond to this post, it so conflicts with reality as to spawn a psychological uncanny valley sensation that we’re living in a simulation.lol Myself and many others would not have chosen the “Pro” model of the iPad were it not for the ability to type as well as use the touchpad as it is SOOOOO much faster, seamless and more convenient than typing/reaching. I’m at least twice as fast on my iPad/MK combo than I am on my MacBook Pro. But don’t take our “anecdotal” word for it; instead, put it to a poll or just have a gander over on Amazon and see the nearly 5000 ratings at an average 4.7 (which even if some percentage are fake, still far exceeds the competition). And even the competition are providing the same invaluable product! Is it perfect? No. Can the UX be improved? Of course. Is it the best iPad accessory outside of a power cord? Probably.
 
I'm actually happy to not have Time Machine to be honest. I've got everything on it synced via iCloud to my Mac(s) and they can do Time Machine backup from there, the iPad is already backed up to iCloud.

I've actually accidentally wiped it via bad pin code before (forgot out corp policy was fewer bad pins before wipe and had just changed my pin at 4am and tried to see how many goes before I got it right) and was back up and running via iCloud backup in 30 minutes or so.

it doesn't really store a lot of data uniquely on device - YMMV. My iPad could get stolen/wiped/destroyed right now and outside of replacing the device (or in the meantime switching to one of my other devices) I wouldn't care - I'd lose basically nothing because its all synced.

iPad for me is basically for diagrams (synced to OneNote 365 or Notes), photos, GPS/Maps, light office use and ssh/rdp to multiple hosts. RDP/SSH drops when left in the background because iOS is brutal with app termination or not multitasking. The device has the power for it, let the user opt in to letting apps run in the background!
I don’t consider my iPad as dependable as my Mac, especially for work, because the iPad doesn’t have a good versioned backup system. I too work around this by syncing to my Mac which runs Time Machine, but depending on the app and specific data I want to retrieve, it’s very much a workaround and not always even possible to recover.
I don’t know what form it would take, probably can’t be local, but I would really appreciate some native form of versioned backup system for my iPad, where I can confidently and easily retrieve any data from an old backup of my iPad that I need. iPhone too for that matter.
 
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The above is why, to your question below.



There's not as much duplicated effort as you may suspect, at the core both platforms are similar, but iOS has the freedom from legacy software compatibility that macOS does not.

Apple can be more experimental without breaking things on iOS, before figuring out how to back-port things back to macOS without breaking things, or at a slow enough pace where the breakage (on the application side) is acceptable in small amounts.

The path is the same, the end-point is similar, iOS and iPadOS are just further down the line of evolution in some respects (security wise), but behind and evolving in other respects (feature wise, within the iOS security restrictions).

e.g., cut/paste on the IOS devices goes through an application firewall. that's not something that used to exist on macOS (Just had a shared clipboard anything could snoop) and why it had to be re-implemented.



re: dual booting
Take it from somebody who did dual boot windows/linux for over a decade - dual boot sucks. You end up sticking in whatever platform you're currently in because the time and effort required to reboot is more than the gain you'd get from being in the other OS.

It's wasted time that doesn't need to occur if you can engineer the one platform to work better.
Thanks for your thoughts. Pretty insightful.
 
One of Apples biggest mistakes is adding a feature to the iPad that if you didn't need it, it would never ever be visible or affect you in any way at all? You ok mate?

Are you ok? It literally made my mouse disappear because universal control was enabled by default and I didn't mean to move my mouse to my iPad.

Not that that's the main point but you're just completely wrong when you said "it would never ever be visible or affect you"

You think that's up there with the update that broke cellular worldwide, iPhone 4s antenna or the rollout of Apple Maps?

Are you really ok? What 4S antenna? You mean 4? You REALLY going to point to that screw up as the one that actually had lasting effect when the other phones by competitors had the same issue?

And Apple Maps is pretty good now.

Regardless you're missing the point.
 
or just have a gander over on Amazon and see the nearly 5000 ratings at an average 4.7 (which even if some percentage are fake, still far exceeds the competition)

4.7 rating on Amazon for butterfly switch MacBook Pro with touchbar and about 5000 reviews. What's your point? Does this mean Apple should have kept butterfly switch keys and touchbar?
 
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I don’t consider my iPad as dependable as my Mac, especially for work, because they don’t have some sort of versioned backup system. I too work around this by syncing to my Mac which runs Time Machine, but depending on the app and specific data I want to retrieve, it’s very much a workaround and not always even possible to recover.
I don’t know what form it would take, probably can’t be local, but I would really appreciate some native form of versioned backup system for my iPad, where I can confidently and easily retrieve any data from an old backup of my iPad that I need. iPhone too for that matter.

I wouldn't say "No" to time machine or version management for iCloud backups, just that with Time Machine already backing up my mac's copy of it, its less necessary for me.

I'm pretty sure you can actually restore from multiple different iCloud backups (i.e., different points in time) but it's been so long since I did a restore from iCloud I can't remember. But pretty sure when I did, it gave me several points in time to restore from.
 
To me portrait-only app lives on iPhone, not on iPad. Yes, some games did enforce that, and I have rarely played those games since. As for additional keys... maybe on 13" model, but highly unlikely for 11" model without cramming each key or cram it at the top, making it uncomfortable to use anyway.

It's not just games.

Books, for example, (whether kindle or iBooks) are just naturally easier to read in portrait, but the Magic Keyboard makes that next to impossible.
 
Are you ok? It literally made my mouse disappear because universal control was enabled by default and I didn't mean to move my mouse to my iPad.

Not that that's the main point but you're just completely wrong when you said "it would never ever be visible or affect you"



Are you really ok? What 4S antenna? You mean 4? You REALLY going to point to that screw up as the one that actually had lasting effect when the other phones by competitors had the same issue?

And Apple Maps is pretty good now.

Regardless you're missing the point.
So on one single occasion, you moved your mouse on your Mac and it ended up on your iPad. How is that Apples biggest mistake compared to the examples I gave and many others?

What point am I missing?
 
I'm pretty sure you can actually restore from multiple different iCloud backups (i.e., different points in time) but it's been so long since I did a restore from iCloud I can't remember. But pretty sure when I did, it gave me several points in time to restore from.
That might help, but whether restoring from iCloud or Mac, the process of retrieving the data is very convoluted, as you have to first backup the iPad (of course), then guess which backup version has the data you need, then restore the entire state of the device to that backup, go to the app that contains the data, somehow extract the data (if that’s even possible depending on the app), then restore the iPad back to the most recent backup, then reimport that data (if possible depending on the app).
I’ve done this a couple times and it ain’t fun.
 
So on one single occasion, you moved your mouse on your Mac and it ended up on your iPad. How is that Apples biggest mistake compared to the examples I gave and many others?

You probably missed the part where I said "Not that that's the main point "

What point am I missing?
Instead of Apple having engineers making multitouch/multitasking better, they're spending time on half-baked solutions for mediocre experiences that a Mac has already solved. Waste of resources that a portion of my $799 paid for and has a large opportunity cost.
 
It's not just games.

Books, for example, (whether kindle or iBooks) are just naturally easier to read in portrait, but the Magic Keyboard makes that next to impossible.
Better example is probably documents. They’re often portrait oriented, so it’s naturally easier to keep them in portrait while typing/working on them.
 
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4.7 rating on Amazon for butterfly switch MacBook Pro with touchbar and about 5000 reviews. What's your point? Does this mean Apple should have kept butterfly switch keys and touchbar?
That was a great product as well. Evolving and improving a design go without saying BUT you keep the product and don’t just discontinue due to the fact that it’s not perfect or you think an enormous company can’t focus on multiple products. People find ways to complain about literally everything. Ironically, I have both the butterfly keys and touchbar on my MBP and they’ve worked flawlessly. No need to get into the pedantic weeds on this debate though; put simply, an iPad keyboard and touchpad (from whatever brand) is a hugely useful and successful peripheral device catering to a very large market demand that Apple would be foolish to ignore. Those facts are beyond debate.
 
That was a great product as well. Evolving and improving a design
removing touch bar + going back to function keys and undoing changes to keyboard today sounds like a revert, not an evolution.

No need to get into the pedantic weeds on this debate though;

You suggested " instead, put it to a poll or just have a gander over on Amazon". So I did as you suggested and had a gander over on Amazon. Not really "pedantic weeds"
 
removing touch bar + going back to function keys and undoing changes to keyboard sounds like a revert, not an evolution.



You suggested " instead, put it to a poll or just have a gander over on Amazon". So I did as you suggested and had a gander over on Amazon. Not really "pedantic weeds"
Well, we’re fresh out of straws because you’re obviously clutching them all. It’s been…entertaining, cheers!
 
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