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The Phoenix, AZ TSMC fabrication plant lacks qualified installers, so TSMC stated the plant will not come on line in 2024 and is hoping for 2025.

That may significantly shift Apple's plans because if the chips are not in the pipeline, electronic devices don't get build or sold. Remember the huge parking lots of cars built but lacked key chips. I have no clue as to where those partially built vehicles are now.

I am not holding my breath for M3 in the non-iPhone product line this year. It will be interesting to watch and see if the next generation iPhones actually come out on the usual time. Fortunately, Apple used chip names instead of years to name their electronics. That hides when the device in hand was actually built...
This has ZERO effect on Apple's plans. The AZ plant was never going to be leading edge, and Apple manufactures at leading edge. It may affect everyone who trails slightly behind Apple (like AMD, QC, and nV) but not Apple.
 
Max Tech said that the yield on M3 chips is lousy so that to make enough iPhone chips there won't be any 2023 Macs with M3.
Max tech also takes any tiny random rumor and say it’s “100% confirmation” and is part of “Apple’s Master Plan” all with over-the-top fake enthusiasm, that channel reeks of clickbait and it’s so disappointing as the information they cover would be very interesting on it’s own but they ruin it with their presentation.
 
Great the development. But why not make a Pro mac studio with like 8 core or 16 core M1's, as they are now 'cheap' to produce. Give us PRO back!
We do not know what is most cost-effective to produce. Sure M1 yields have matured reducing per-chip costs, but we do not know what production facilities have been repurposed to M2 or M3. And selling M1 in 2023+ is selling old outdated tech, even if it is still strong enough for 2023, which means discounted pricing only. Apple avoids selling old outdated tech and Apple avoids discounted pricing selling at the low end.
 
Max Tech said that the yield on M3 chips is lousy so that to make enough iPhone chips there won't be any 2023 Macs with M3.
55% yields which isn't bad for now. Will get better. But ASML is the real player here and they are sending new machines to TSMC second half 2023. Once those are there TSMC will be able to put it's foot on the gas.
 
The M1 MacBook Air and iMac are two of Apple’s devices that have yet to see an upgrade since they were introduced with M1. They’re long overdue.

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How about the opposite. M3 held back another year due to low yields. Instead M2 Ultra rolled out to all devices. :rolleyes:
 
Honest question. After two generations of the remarkable M chips. Is the M3 more than incremental. M2 mini owner.
 
Max Tech said that the yield on M3 chips is lousy so that to make enough iPhone chips there won't be any 2023 Macs with M3.
My friend who works at apple in a higher regional leadership position also said something about miserable yield rates and that they’re having trouble to get things running at scale with the m3 and that that’s part of the reason we have what we have with the Mac Pro.
 
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Maybe, maybe not. I was referring to wedge-shaped MacBook Air, assuming it continues in production.
 
Honest question. After two generations of the remarkable M chips. Is the M3 more than incremental. M2 mini owner.

It is the other way around. The M2 chip was basically just incremental because Apple was not able to move to 3nm as fast as planned. The M2 is actually more or less a boosted M1 chip with a new name.

But M3 is actually built at 3nm. Hence, the performance difference between the M2 and M3 should be much larger than the difference between the M1 and M2.
 
Well, to paraphrase @deconstruct60 (but not to put words in his/her mouth), if M3 stayed with the N3B-specific design, then regardless if capacity was sufficient or not, it'd stick with N3B. Maybe M3 would get delayed until 2024 but it would still be N3B. They would not switch to N3E for it.

My contention was somewhat different. I was thinking that some time ago, Apple decided M3 was going to be on N3E (not N3B), and therefore M3 Macs can't be released in 2023 since N3E chips would not be available in time. By necessity they would have to be in 2024, regardless of what the N3B yields are.
I think that’s a very reasonable theory as well. Either way, it’s hard to believe there will be M3 macs this year.
 
Woohoo! Can't wait. M3 Mini, here I come! :D (...sets timer...)
I’m planning to wait until M3 or even M4 to get a Mac mini. Why wait so long, you might guess? Not only because rumors point towards a new architecture in the A18/M4 Gen, but also because I want to wait a couple more years and see if Apple finally releases a new 12” MacBook.
 
Woohoo! Can't wait. M3 Mini, here I come! :D (...sets timer...)
I’m planning to wait until M3 or even M4 to get a Mac mini. Why wait so long, you might guess? Not only because rumors point towards a new architecture in the A18/M4 Gen, but also because I want to wait a couple more years and see if Apple finally releases a new12” MacBook.

On the other hand, I wish this delay on the M3 Mac mini means they are redesigning it to make it smaller and lighter.
 
Huh? They're introducing the refurbished ones before the new M3 products come out? Steve Jobs needs to talk to the Shark Tank people and learn a thing or two about business.
 
I’m planning to wait until M3 or even M4 to get a Mac mini. Why wait so long, you might guess? Not only because rumors point towards a new architecture in the A18/M4 Gen, but also because I want to wait a couple more years and see if Apple finally releases a new12” MacBook.

On the other hand, I wish this delay on the M3 Mac mini means they are redesigning it to make it smaller and lighter.
I was going to wait for an M2 Pro Mac mini, but then my 30" Apple Cinema HD Display started to give me significant issues in 2022, so I needed a new monitor... except that my 2014 Mac mini couldn't support a 4K or higher monitor properly. So I bought a reasonably inexpensive used 16 GB 1 TB M1 Mac mini late last year, which I'm typing on right now, and then a new monitor too. I didn't predict Apple would drop the Mac mini pricing for M2 though. That surprised me.

Honestly, M1 16 GB is all that I currently need aside from the limited ports, although I would like to get a 30"+ 5K+ monitor. I will hold off getting a new Mac mini until then but when the time comes, maybe I'll pick up a 24 GB Mac mini or 32 GB Mac mini or Mac Studio. A Mac Studio is major overkill for me, but I kinda want to get 24 GB RAM. Mx Pro + 24 GB RAM would be perfect, but I suspect Apple won't offer that, and Mx non-Pro is short on ports. However, if you're going to go with 32 GB, the Mac Studio starts making more sense than the Mx Pro.
 
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Apple is also releasing a 15" MacBook Air with an M3 chip in November. They will keep the M2 15MBA on sale at its current price point and the M3 version will start at $200 more.
I really, really don’t know about that…
 
If any M3 series Mac is released in 2023, I’ll be pleasantly surprised.

I’m not expecting M3 to be manufactured on TSMC N3B, but on N3E instead. N3E is coming this fall, but it may be too late for a release of M3 Macs this fall.
N3B and N3E is not design compatible. Therefore, the M3 wouldn’t be able to base itself on the A17 if what you say is true. Apple would have to design a separate core for M3.

I don’t think that’s likely. I think M3 will use N3B and will use A27 cores and will come out late this year.
 
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