Hands-On With Apple's New 10.5-Inch iPad Pro

Is it recommended to use a screen protector for this if we plan on using Apple Pencil a lot? I can't stand scratches on the screen and am hoping this one doesn't scratch easily.

I have a 9.7" pro and I use the pencil. I've never had a screen protector on any of my iPads; the pencil certainly hasn't marked the screen in any way. I do care about scratches though - all my iPads have had a skin on the rear. When the times come to sell them on, they have always been in near mint condition. FWIW I do put a protector on my phone as that takes more abuse in my pockets with coins, keys etc. whereas the iPad lives and travels in a sleeve when not in use.
 
I can't seem to find a straight answer on this, did the 12.9" Pro get all of the same updates as the 10.5? It just seems like all advertisements and reviews are focusing on the 10.5
 
its a £30 SQ in a £160 unit. How is that very good? Its got identical sound quality of the EarPods .

You are contradicting your own statement.
I'm not contradicting myself. You are misreading. You can't compare the tech and sound drivers within a wirelesss AirPod with dedicated chip, and equally priced wired headphones.
 
I bought a 2017 ipad I might wait till fall but i want to get a 12.9 with ios 11 thats gonna be a great laptop replacement and the 2017 can be for portable usage
 
You're just regurgitating what everyone knows from WWDC 2017. People buying the 2017 iPad Pros now are just buying specs until the software experience is delivered with iOS 11 release three or four months from now. Until then they have to put up with software decoding and the question is whether the A10X which is supposedly faster than A9X is fast enough to smoothly software decode HEVC 10bit 1080p which wasn't possible with 1st gen 2015/2016 iPad Pros. Hardware decoding is preferable but software decoding is achievable if the CPU/SoC is fast enough. For example, an old 2012 PC can software decode HEVC 10bit 4K up to 30fps.

The quality of the decoder, and just as importantly, how it was compiled, are key to getting good performance out of software decoders. Having the ARM NEON code disabled or inactive for example is going to hurt a lot, just like shutting down SSE on an x64 chip. There's also the question how good NEON actually is at acceleration compared to SSE. NEON didn't support 128-bit registers until ARMv8. So you will run into the case that the SIMD on x64 has wider registers to work with and will get better throughput as a result (SSE being 128-bit and AVX being 256-bit, while NEON is either 64-bit or 128-bit wide). That helps when you can chug through double the data in the same clock cycles on x64 compared to ARM.

But again, you claim the 9.7" Pro was a lemon by comparing it to an ARM chip with hardware decode turned on. A hardware decode block the A9 and A10 both have. You can rail against Apple for leaving it disabled and unusable by devs all you like and I won't stop you. You can complain that there's no GPU-accelerated decode happening in the decoders which would help, and you'd be right (there are papers on OpenCL-accelerated HEVC, but none of the apps on the App Store will lean on those techniques, being almost entirely built on top of libavformat and libavcodec). You can even say software decode on ARM is junk compared to x64, and I'd agree. SSE/AVX vs NEON pretty much guarantees better performance on x64. But your argument made zero sense because it wasn't a good comparison to make as it was written.

The question was directed more at someone competent with HEVC software and hardware decoding like Perene and not for unknowing apologists.

Ad hominem attacks never help your argument. But feel free to continue to attack a developer who has contributed real code to tools and libraries used in this space, including libavcodec and Handbrake. Please.
 
I'm not contradicting myself. You are misreading. You can't compare the tech and sound drivers within a wirelesss AirPod with dedicated chip, and equally priced wired headphones.

It's the same driver. That is the point £130 gets you an awesome wireless unit with the same drivers.

You know apple could have improved the drivers...hence at £160 being same driver as £30, sound quality is crap .

Don't worry I love my AirPods , but they are NOT very good sound quality at the price point .
 
I absolutely don't need this.

(Puts 9.7" Pro on eBay)
I have the 10.5" IPP sitting here right next to my 9.7" IPP and I really have to look hard to see a difference in display size. Now, I will agree that the 10.5 is noticeably snappier, but the 10.5 is currently running 10.3.2 and the 9.7 is currently running iOS 11.0.
 
They call it a pro ipad not a pro super powerful desktop computerpad..

Aslong as any profession can use it to make money its a valid name (for example digital artists/designers or any profession that an ipad with pencil support can improve the workflow of)

According to your definition than all iPads should be called pro.
 
Yes, by removing our fingers :)
Haha I can imagine Jony Ive: "With new iPad Pro, we've simplified the user experience. You no longer need your fingers, and we will actually remove them for you when you buy new iPad Pro."

But seriously, they could add palm detection and they already have that very good palm and grip detection technology with the Apple Pencil.
 
But seriously, they could add palm detection and they already have that very good palm and grip detection technology with the Apple Pencil.
Apple is already using finger rejection near the bezel, but the problem is if it becomes bezel-free your fingers will cover up parts of the screen.
 
It's the same driver. That is the point £130 gets you an awesome wireless unit with the same drivers.

You know apple could have improved the drivers...hence at £160 being same driver as £30, sound quality is crap .

Don't worry I love my AirPods , but they are NOT very good sound quality at the price point .
The point previously made was that the airpods were being compared to other wired headphones at that price point. There was never any mention of comparing them to the wired EarPods. If that has been made clear, then of course airpods are a more expensive wireless version.
 
Apple is already using finger rejection near the bezel, but the problem is if it becomes bezel-free your fingers will cover up parts of the screen.
If you’re holding the device. As ipad becomes more and more of a laptop replacement, it’ll start to be used sat down on a table or your lap and propped up by a keyboard.
 
Picked up a 10.5-inch Pro (256GB) yesterday and I'm staggered at how much better it is over my iPad Air 2.

MUCH faster NAND. When apps had to install after a restore from backup, it was at least three times as quick as I expected it to take. Safari is super snappy. Fire Emblem Heroes (I'm F2P BTW) not only no longer occasionally stutters and has buttery smooth frame rate, but it's no longer devouring battery as the iPad Pro likely can shrug its shoulders at it with its far beefier CPU and GPU. Super low-reflection screen. Very bright even at lowish (35%) brightness settings. The four-speaker stereo is a huge upgrade on its own, and appreciated when its on my nightstand while I fall asleep to video or a podcast. It may be 22g heavier, but damned if I can notice it.

If you're still on a 3 or 4-year old iPad and have been wondering when it might be time to upgrade, the 10.5 inch iPad Pro definitely makes it a damn good time to bite
 
This thing is so close. SO CLOSE.

Now, Apple:

1. USB-C/TB3
2. Mouse support
3. Multiple user accounts (already there for the Education market!!!)
4. Back button or "back" multitouch mechanism
5. OPTIONAL: App tray, so I can have only what I want on the Home screen(s)

Do that, and I'm back.
 
I have the 10.5" IPP sitting here right next to my 9.7" IPP and I really have to look hard to see a difference in display size. Now, I will agree that the 10.5 is noticeably snappier, but the 10.5 is currently running 10.3.2 and the 9.7 is currently running iOS 11.0.

Same for me at first, but after using the 10.5 for a while, the 9.7ipp screen now feels small. I think 10.5 is a sweet spot. Same with the keyboard. The 10.5 keyboard has slightly larger keys and spacing; just enough to make a positive difference. Nice update, but not sure that I am keeping the 10.5ipp. Undecided on the cost/benefit.
 
If you’re holding the device. As ipad becomes more and more of a laptop replacement, it’ll start to be used sat down on a table or your lap and propped up by a keyboard.
Not everyone uses as a laptop replacement. Some of us like to hold it, even my 12.9" Pro.
 
I think it's a mistake to try to force iOS to become a "productive" interface. It never will, it will just make the consumption-first aspects of it more frustrating. iOS 10 is pretty much ideal for a tablet. What they should do is make a "desktop mode" of iOS that you can switch on and off, or that recognizes when a keyboard/mouse is attached and asks which mode to deploy. That mode can function basically like MacOS, but more optimized for a small tablet screen and running iOS tablet-style Apps. I think normal people would really dig this.
 
I think it's a mistake to try to force iOS to become a "productive" interface. It never will, it will just make the consumption-first aspects of it more frustrating. iOS 10 is pretty much ideal for a tablet. What they should do is make a "desktop mode" of iOS that you can switch on and off, or that recognizes when a keyboard/mouse is attached and asks which mode to deploy. That mode can function basically like MacOS, but more optimized for a small tablet screen and running iOS tablet-style Apps. I think normal people would really dig this.

Let' s start with a physical trackpad on the smart keyboards, that simulates the hard press trackpad on the virtual keyboard on an iphone/trackpad and can be used for scrolling up and down on a webpage.

I actually think that is the step apple will take next year. Perhaps even making the keyboard more high end.(alu/metal/real buttons?) and keep the simple smart keyboard without trackpad around as a cheaper option.
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I find that to be a complete Placebo effect. I could read scrolling text on my iPad Air 2 already. I used them both side-by-side yesterday, and there is zero difference. No "ghosting" or anything else like that while scrolling on the iPad Air 2. I rarely say that, but Apple's marketing team has definitely scored big here.
Ok, look at this then:

 
You could if iOS recognized the device though right? I have a Lightning to USB-C cable for my MacBook Pro, couldn't I connect my iPad to some USB-C device with it?

My guess is that all you need is support in the OS.

The feature that is missing that COULD be easily implemented in software is NFC audio pairing. So easy to tap your Sony phone on a speaker and connect. Apple just don't want any other NFC functions besides ApplePay.

With USB-C connections there would be a whole series of driver issues. Even Lightning memory expansion is a bit of a dodgy workaround that doesn't always connect reliably.
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iPad pricing makes me sad. iPad Air 2 64gb was £430 back when it was released 2.5 years ago as the cutting edge iPad. Now the latest 64gb iPad is £200 more. Sure, it's a much better iPad- but couldn't those have just been the generational improvements we'd expect to see over 2.5 years? Instead, Apple decided on this Pro marketing with raised prices, and can get away with a gimped non-Pro iPad at a price that was previously for the cutting edge. Sad!

Same here. Don't blame Apple... exchange rate changed a bit? We had parity for a long time now we are back around 75cents so everything imported is more expensive. And when Brexit kicks in... ;(
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The point previously made was that the airpods were being compared to other wired headphones at that price point. There was never any mention of comparing them to the wired EarPods. If that has been made clear, then of course airpods are a more expensive wireless version.

Fair enough. I just compare my headphones based on price. And while i love the AirPods , the sound is mehish ....but they are brilliant for gym.

Honestly, I should not have used "crap" to define the sound, it's fine.
 
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