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Having only T3 ports does have theoretical advantages but any such advantages are entirely negated when Apple's own cables are not up to the job ...

What people forget that not everyone is computer literate and they don't understand that if you have a Mac and you are running OS X 10.9 you might want to at least come up to 10.14. You would think people would upgrade the OS that fixes problems with systems. I am still part of a old original mac user group which was a originally a Apple II user group that started in 1978. And i have people come in and they have a machine that has not been upgraded from OS X 10.8 :) Or i have a person who all they needed to do was a firmware update on the hardware to fix the problem. So it could not be the Mac hardware is the problem but the software is old or never has been upgraded. Hmmm why does Windows release an update every other month :)
 
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Now if Apple does ALL OF THIS in a 13" or 14" model, then I will be buying myself my first new Apple laptop.

The 16" is too big for what I use it for. But I still want to great speakers, improved keyboard and physical ESC key. I want a bigger battery and improved graphics and processor, and DEFINITELY more memory. 16GB just isn't enough anymore.
 
I see a lot of people complaining about this revision not having 802.11ax WiFi/WiFi 6. Decided to check out the new Mac Pro's specs and it also doesn't have WiFi 6. It looks like the only Apple products that have Wifi 6 is the iPhone 11 and 11 Pro. Weird.

What people forget that not everyone is computer literate and they don't understand that if you have a Mac and you are running OS X 10.9 you might want to at least come up to 10.14. You would think people would upgrade the OS that fixes problems with systems. I am still part of a old original mac user group which was a originally a Apple II user group that started in 1978. And i have people come in and they have a machine that has not been upgraded from OS X 10.8 :) Or i have a person who all they needed to do was a firmware update on the hardware to fix the problem. So it could not be the Mac hardware is the problem but the software is old or never has been upgraded. Hmmm why does Windows release an update every other month :)

Guilty. I have a Late 2013 MacBook Pro within my renderfarm running system 10.9.3. If it's not broken and continues to work, I have no need to upgrade. I'll eventually upgrade it.
 
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I need to pull the trigger on a new computer within a month. Honestly the 16” is overkill for my use case and a 13” MBP would suffice for now. But I can’t justify spending money on the 13” with the keyboard issues when the reason I need a new computer is because I’ll need to type a lot the coming months. The upside with the 16” is that I’ll be able to keep it longer than the 13” I suppose, even though the cost is higher. Decisions, decisions.
Well, you also have plenty of options running Windows. You do not have necessarily to buy a Mac, unless you are running software that requires it.
 
Well, you also have plenty of options running Windows. You do not have necessarily to buy a Mac, unless you are running software that requires it.

I look at as a investment, if i spend $3200 on a macbook pro and it lasts 6 years. It is like $1.50 a day. And how much was that Starbucks morning coffee? When you could have a Cadillac coffee at work for free :)
 
Sounds like you are not an Apple customer then, why you wasting your time on this thread, you clearly have what you want elsewhere, spend your energy there, not here.
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I actually support the USB-C only approach, many do, even with the need for a dongle, the majority of which require just 1, I can ultimately use whatever I want. I have the Lenovo S940, only has USB-C.

Working with and having access to hundreds of mac users the odd person wishes for additional ports, no more than that.

Apple does not produce dozens of different models like Lenovo so focuses on the majority rather than minorities' needs and the best way to provide them.

It is not a case of "do as we tell you, don't care what you actually need", they provide what you want, just not the way you want it.
Very much this. Listening to Apple execs talk about this topic, they stressed they go through thousands of customer responses and try to figure out what people want in terms of ports. The number of ports available on the sides is by necessity limited. There's only so much space that isn't crowded out by things like speakers or batteries. They can't provide everything, so they provide ports THAT CAN BE EVERYTHING. Yes, we might need a different cable or dongle, but none of the ports are limited. People compare this to the 2015 MacBook Pro which had different ports. But USB-C was not widely available then and was just starting out. Virtually no one used it then. Mac products then used Thunderbolt 2, which resembles the mini-DisplayPort connector, which was not truly multi-purpose. The Thunderbolt 3/USB-C ports are true multipurpose ports that literally can do anything we want it to do within reason, and that includes power delivery, SD cards, Ethernet, every type of monitor connection, USB 2.0, 3.0, or 3.1.

Those who demand SD card slots can still have an SD card capability, but if Apple provided that, there's one less port that can connect to our second or third monitor (Just because one person doesn't want three monitors doesn't mean someone else doesn't). If Apple provided an Ethernet port (what I wanted most but knew would never happen), you can't add an SD card or ordinary USB peripheral with that port. I find it funny people are complaining because Apple provided the absolutely most flexible assortment of ports on the planet. We can literally connect every modern laptop peripheral we want with any of the four ports.

Phil Schiller mentions he carries dongles around. He knows it's a tradeoff and he's the guy who sets Apple's hardware requirements because he's responsible for market research. He's willing to inconvenience himself in order to give all customers maximum flexibility. He could have had the hardware department cater to his own needs so he doesn't have to carry dongles, but he knows his requirements aren't everyone's. Yes, it is an inconvenience to use a dongle or to find the right cable. But the greater good is served because no one is limited on anything they want to do. Want to hook up three monitors? Go for it. Want a SD card adapter, one monitor, and an external hard drive? Go for it. Want to hook up an eGPU, an iPad, and a MIDI keyboard? Go for it. Desk clutter doesn't allow the power plug to fit easily on the left side? Move it to the right side. There are an infinite number of combinations you can have with those four ports. And people complain... SMH.
 
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Very much this. Listening to Apple execs talk about this topic, they stressed they go through thousands of customer responses and try to figure out what people want in terms of ports. The number of ports available on the sides is by necessity limited. There's only so much space that isn't crowded out by things like speakers or batteries. They can't provide everything, so they provide ports THAT CAN BE EVERYTHING. Yes, we might need a different cable or dongle, but none of the ports are limited. People compare this to the 2015 MacBook Pro which had different ports. But USB-C was not widely available then and was just starting out. Virtually no one used it then. Mac products then used Thunderbolt 2, which resembles the mini-DisplayPort connector, which was not truly multi-purpose. The Thunderbolt 3/USB-C ports are true multipurpose ports that literally can do anything we want it to do within reason, and that includes power delivery, SD cards, Ethernet, every type of monitor connection, USB 2.0, 3.0, or 3.1.

Those who demand SD card slots can still have an SD card capability, but if Apple provided that, there's one less port that can connect to our second or third monitor (Just because one person doesn't want three monitors doesn't mean someone else doesn't). If Apple provided an Ethernet port (what I wanted most but knew would never happen), you can't add an SD card or ordinary USB peripheral with that port. I find it funny people are complaining because Apple provided the absolutely most flexible assortment of ports on the planet. We can literally connect every modern laptop peripheral we want with any of the four ports.

Phil Schiller mentions he carries dongles around. He knows it's a tradeoff and he's the guy who sets Apple's hardware requirements because he's responsible for market research. He's willing to inconvenience himself in order to give all customers maximum flexibility. He could have had the hardware department cater to his own needs so he doesn't have to carry dongles, but he knows his requirements aren't everyone's. Yes, it is an inconvenience to use a dongle or to find the right cable. But the greater good is served because no one is limited on anything they want to do. Want to hook up three monitors? Go for it. Want a SD card adapter, one monitor, and an external hard drive? Go for it. Want to hook up an eGPU, an iPad, and a MIDI keyboard? Go for it. There are an infinite number of combinations you can have with those four ports. And people complain... SMH.

I would agree, I have a 802.11ax router and it would have been nice to that that WIFI in the new laptop but it is not like the old laptops from 9 years ago. The WIFI is not a separate module and is integrated into the processor now. So I can live with 802.11ac because the laptop is fantastic and i need a new computer. And if I want WIFI 6 i could alway add a external adapter but i wont because 802.11ac if fast enough with current Internet speeds.
 
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But they do though. Portability is about having something that's clean, simple, and doesn't require additional components in order for it to function.
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That's what's so annoying though. Why? Why are they not coming back?

The writing has been on the wall wrt SD cards for a while. They are used by an ever smaller segment of the user population and will eventually go the way of zip drives. The last time I even had need of an SD card was to install the OS on an NVIDIA Jetson like 8 months ago. So I used a cheap dongle and attached it to the USB port on my mac.

Sure, there is a niche user base that might need a fully integrated SD card slot, but let's be honest: the presence or lack of an SD slot is not a consideration for the large majority of prospective MacBook Pro purchasers. And for that reason, Apple did not find it beneficial to splurge on and include such a seldom used hardware component.
 
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Having only T3 ports does have theoretical advantages but any such advantages are entirely negated when Apple's own cables are not up to the job ...

That’s a ridiculous argument.

If Apple’s cables suck, buy any of the countless other perfectly good cables from other companies.

Your negation is negated.
 
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You don't need to use the Touch Bar, and a one-ounce dongle doesn't "negate ... portability."

But feel free to avoid it based solely on principle.
People like to overreact. The reality is that the dongle thing is a temporary crutch. All new hardware should be bought with native USB Type-C, and then you don't need dongles. Most types of devices do have that option today. Eventually, dongles will be a thing of the past.

EDIT: I wonder if USB Type-C networks will someday be a thing. The key will be increasing the maximum range to be competitive with traditional network cable. That seems to be the one thing which can't be replaced yet.
 
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People like to overreact. The reality is that the dongle thing is a temporary crutch. All new hardware should be bought with native USB Type-C, and then you don't need dongles. Most types of devices do have that option today. Eventually, dongles will be a thing of the past.

I expect they'll always be with us. If you're using your computer professionally, you often need to connect to other people's equipment. And some of the HDMI projectors in lecture halls, for instance, won't be replaced for years. Yes, eventually they'll be replaced with USB-C projectors, but sometime after that the industry may move on from USB-C to some new standard. So you'll always have some unavoidable temporal overlap between the latest standard (which Apple will probably use) and older equipment. The only way for dongles to go away permanently would be for a standard to become permanent, which will probably never be the case for data connections.

[I.e., that standard is probably never going to be like that for, say, electrical outlets, which is effectively a permanent standard -- at least permanent within most of our lifetimes.]
 
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simple question, what's more portable, a computer with ports and slots integrated, or one where you have to carry a bag of dongles for everything you want to connect?

They're both equally portable. Portability is the ability to be easily carried or moved. If you choose to carry a lot of extras along or very little, the computer's ability to be easily carried or moved hasn't changed. The only difference is the amount of extra stuff you're bringing with you. As I said before, it's more inconvenient, but the computer is just as portable either way.

I personally choose to carry a lot of extra crap around in my laptop bag. If it got to the point where it was too much to carry around, I'd cut down on the amount of stuff I choose to carry, not say that my laptop is no longer portable. The computer can still be easily moved.
 
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Sure, there is a niche user base that might need a fully integrated SD card slot, but let's be honest: the presence or lack of an SD slot is not a consideration for the large majority of prospective MacBook Pro purchasers.
You're WAY off base. The MacBook Pro is targeted towards pro photographers and filmmakers. SD cards are not going away ANY time soon in that space. It's the standard media for image acquisition for pro photography and prosumer video, and it's not going away anytime soon.
 
They're both equally portable. Portability is the ability to be easily carried or moved. If you choose to carry a lot of extras along or very little, the computer's ability to be easily carried or moved hasn't changed.

I agree with your definition of portability, but not how you've interpreted it -- your example only addresses half of your definition. Yes, dongles don't significantly affect how easy the laptop is to carry -- a few extra ounces in the laptop bag. But they do affect how easily it is to move, since moving the laptop (if dongles are needed) requires the extra bandwith of remembering to include and keep track of all the needed dongles. That may seem minor, but it's really nice when you're running to a lecture to just grab-and-go, instead of having to check that you've got the critical dongles in your bag (maybe you were distracted by a conversation with students after the last lecture, and forgot to disconnect and retrieve your dongle then, etc.). I've lectured in halls were I don't need dongles and ones were I do, and the former feel more convenient to me. YMMV.
 
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Nice, I've been holding onto a 2015 model, not wanting the crappy 2016-2019 models, and this is the light at the end of the tunnel. 1-4 more years, and hopefully by then USB-C will have been widely adopted.
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They're both equally portable. Portability is the ability to be easily carried or moved. If you choose to carry a lot of extras along or very little, the computer's ability to be easily carried or moved hasn't changed. The only difference is the amount of extra stuff you're bringing with you. As I said before, it's more inconvenient, but the computer is just as portable either way.

I personally choose to carry a lot of extra crap around in my laptop bag. If it got to the point where it was too much to carry around, I'd cut down on the amount of stuff I choose to carry, not say that my laptop is no longer portable. The computer can still be easily moved.
Doesn't matter, it's still a pain in the rear. I can pull out my laptop by itself and have it work with whatever setup exists at that spot. Like if I can't plug my laptop into a TV, something is wrong.
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Why is nobody reading the posts before responding to them?

An SD card that plugs into the computer is clean and simple. No dangly nonsense.
It's also nice cause you can use a microSD card plus an adaptor that sits flush with the laptop edge, and you have semi-permanent expandable storage. Helps me a lot, but I acknowledge this is a fringe use case.
 
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For me my MacBook Air is far better for travelling and quick work. I think a new Air would suit more people now the weight has gone up on this Pro and the battery life is worse than the Air.

The only real need for this is if you video edit or graphic design and move about, otherwise go for the Air.
 
For me my MacBook Air is far better for travelling and quick work. I think a new Air would suit more people now the weight has gone up on this Pro and the battery life is worse than the Air.

The only real need for this is if you video edit or graphic design and move about, otherwise go for the Air.

There are other uses that need/benefit from a larger laptop besides those you mention. Consider, for instance, spreadsheet work, prepararing presentations, or editing complex Word documents, all of which many (including myself) find much easier on a larger screen (especially if you need to use a split screen). I don't like doing any of those on my 15" (I much prefer my 27"), but when I'm out of the house and don't have an external monitor, the 15" is much better than a 13".
 
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You're WAY off base. The MacBook Pro is targeted towards pro photographers and filmmakers. SD cards are not going away ANY time soon in that space. It's the standard media for image acquisition for pro photography and prosumer video, and it's not going away anytime soon.

You make it sound like there is nobody else using it. A target market is also developers as has always been the case with the MBP, I would argue that the developer market for the MBP is one of if not the largest user base of it.
 
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There are other uses that need/benefit from a larger laptop besides those you mention. Consider, for instance, spreadsheet work, prepararing presentations, or editing complex Word documents, all of which many (including myself) find much easier on a larger screen (especially if you need to use a split screen). I don't like doing any of those on my 15" (I much prefer my 27"), but when I'm out of the house and don't have an external monitor, the 15" is much better than a 13".

I agree to having a larger screen which is why I have a 27” iMac too. But come on, 2 inches really doesn’t make a difference on the road.
 
The writing has been on the wall wrt SD cards for a while. They are used by an ever smaller segment of the user population and will eventually go the way of zip drives. The last time I even had need of an SD card was to install the OS on an NVIDIA Jetson like 8 months ago. So I used a cheap dongle and attached it to the USB port on my mac.

Sure, there is a niche user base that might need a fully integrated SD card slot, but let's be honest: the presence or lack of an SD slot is not a consideration for the large majority of prospective MacBook Pro purchasers. And for that reason, Apple did not find it beneficial to splurge on and include such a seldom used hardware component.
sure, you may be calling developers a niche. But the guys belonging to that niche write the software you use every day. Those niche guys demanded an esc key, function keys, sd card - since everything embedded uses an sd card. They also demand a modern operating system not ignoring container technology or open standards.

And look what has happened the last years and continues to happen. Google and Microsoft started working closely together with those niche guys. Microsoft opens tons of github projects and invites anybody to cooperate - Google does the same.
Apple is the only company that doesn‘t respond to a bug report or feature request for months. Apple could easily make a laptop with ports and internal slots - they just don‘t want to. Dell does it, Lenovo does it and a lot of others do it as well.

It is all about the money folks
 
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Why apple designer is an imbecile!
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I agree to having a larger screen which is why I have a 27” iMac too. But come on, 2 inches really doesn’t make a difference on the road.
Does for me. And it clearly must for a lot of people, since most that buy the 15" aren't doing it for the added processing power, they're doing it for the larger screen. Plus it's not just when I'm traveling, it's also when I need to commute to a site where I don't have an office.

I was working with a client the other day, and he had the material on his 13", and I had it on my 15", and we both immediately gravitated to looking at it on my 15" because it was obviously easier to review it that way.

This is purely personal preference, and personal preference runs strong on this subject. That's why it's good we have both sizes.
 
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I’m agree with those who say SDreader is not necessary anymore, I connect my camera with the USBA cable, so I just need a dongle to USB-C, well I Have 3 USBA to USB-C as even the lighting cable of my iPhone 11 (2019) is USB A!!!!
IF You want to be modern, unify your ports along the devices and use the same for everything, dont make us buying cables and wires just because you want more money.
Anyway, this is how all people see apole, as a money making machine, even some fanboys as me long time ago asumed this
 
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