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Hands-On With Apple's New iPadOS Software
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Copying works well, but I don't like the 3 finger gestures. You just tap to have "paste" come up now though which is a bit better. Slight improvement for me as of now.
I have a really simple solution for iPads, port over OSX and we will have a first class computer with all the bells and whistles.
The truth is the iPad, as successfully as it is, was crippled from the beginning by Steve Jobs management ideas and decisions. He kept the iOS and OS X departments separate and essentially competing against each other. He also never envisioned the pad as a desktop replacement.
Yes the iPadOS is an improvement and moving in the right direction. Can we add a mouse feature please!
The truth is the iPad, as successfully as it is, was crippled from the beginning by Steve Jobs management ideas and decisions. He kept the iOS and OS X departments separate and essentially competing against each other. He also never envisioned the pad as a desktop replacement.
Yes the iPadOS is an improvement and moving in the right direction. Can we add a mouse feature please!
Mouse support is not really at all mouse support. There isnt any real contextual menu. You can't really right click. It allows you to assign a command to the right mouse button, IE. when you click the right mouse button after selecting text a popup saying copy will appear and you can click on it, now when you go to the place where you would like to insert the copied text and right click, the only thing that will appear is the pop up saying copy you can click, you cant paste. Now if you wanted to you could open settings and go to assistance, assign right click to copy, select text and copy, then reopen setting and go to assistance and then assign the right click button for paste, then flip back to the app you were wanting to paste in, right click and then click paste.... I don't see many people being happy with that at all really though.
Pick your Poison - Check out ZolloTech who usually does updates on the new OS revisions and takes surveys for feedback. I've found him to usually be one of the first and to the point type sources. He's also very unbiased which I like and won't give Apple slack, but does it in a fair and classy manor.
Multitasking is still a nightmare. iPad is not intended for productivity.
Ahhh ... OK then... there goes my Er...tion
I thought they made it a little more... useful....
Somehow I feel they could find a proper way to use the mouse but they stay away from it then.... maybe not to canibalize their MB and MB Air market.
Anyways.... maybe one day they will make a move. They always seem to do it but slower if the market doesn't adapt to their needs.
Thanks for the explanation BTW!
Im not convinced that OS X has ever been a touch friendly os. Or are you writing to us from a ModBook by chance? Remember those?
I’m sure the idea was never to have the exact same features on every device but on the other hand I also get the feeling that the iPad was the computer of the future that Steve had in mind for a very long time.
If your theory that the departments competed with one another would have any substance, don’t you think then that the features of iPad OS would have been implemented in Steve’s day?
Lastly, a mouse feature- wasn’t that just announced last week via accessibility settings?
Can you please refer to the thousands of existing posts that discuss this exact notion? Let’s skip to the conclusion: everyone’s work is different. Some people can be productive on an iPad and some people need a full, traditional computer. There, you good?
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For me it is true.
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Why you are sensitive to what I said? I didn’t mean to refer to your position. You can find it good to use but I don’t feel the same way, what’s your problem then?
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iPad Pro 12.9 should just run macOS.
For me it is true.
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Why you are sensitive to what I said? I didn’t mean to refer to your position. You can find it good to use but I don’t feel the same way, what’s your problem then?
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iPad Pro 12.9 should just run macOS.
For company workstations or services (e.g., Netflix, Google, Amazon), especially on common area devices adds a grand amount of convenience and is ultimately essential. However, multi-user setups in a non-professional environment are at a very low demand nowadays. Exceptions could be a "family computer," but those scenarios are far between in recent years, or small children that adults don't want to purchase/assign a dedicated device.
Let me put it this way... How often do you leave your smartphone, tablet, or even computer available for others to use? Probably rarely if ever. Why? Foremost, due to privacy concerns by you and anyone that would utilize the device. If you do share a device, such as an iPad in the kitchen for recipes, it has little personal information stored in it and thus doesn't warrant the need for multiple sign-ins anyway.
I half agree with this. Ipad did have the potential to open up a whole new way of interacting with your computing device, and this always deserved an ipad-specific OS (which we are finally getting!). But the project has only partially succeed so far, and I think lost its way a little bit post-Jobs. For example, the smart keyboard case strongly nudges the user toward using the machine as a conventional laptop, but it is exceptionally ill-suited for this (both hardware wise and software wise). And the case doesn't even *allow* putting the device in the sort of minimally angled position that is by far the best for interacting with it directly.
For me, the future of ipad remains as a keyboard-less adjunct to a lightweight laptop like MBA. In an ideal world, the combined weight including cases would approximate a 15 inch MBP, but could be tailored for many more use cases. Sidecar improve the rationale for using the two together. Many tasks are done vastly better on ipad, but a lot of real work remains best done on a laptop.
Yes but that's exactly the point, you HAVE to buy 2 different pieces of hardware because something combining them doesn't exist. I don't see the Surface as a compromised PC at all, it's a PC and it functions quite well as one while IMO being the best tablet out there. But even then you can still refer to something like the surface book if you want more of a high end laptop feel. The time for seeing the ipad as horribly hobbled has already reached us a long time ago, but IMO the turning point is the battery life with the SP6 getting really close to matching the ipad pro. Ostensibly the reasoning for iOS to be so basic and primitive was to have a thin, light device with lots of battery life and a touch intuitive OS. Those requirements have now been met by windows tablets, so Apple is forced to delve into making the ipad more PC like.
Indeed it's fascinating to see Apple slowly but surely walk back everything they said was bad about combining the 2 worlds, just as slowly but surely Microsoft keeps advancing and getting better and better. Apple is just piece mealing this kind of stuff so consumers get excited, but not enough so they realize why can't they just have one device. PC users have already figured this out. Watch and see, hiding mouse support as an accessibility function will slowly but surely bloom into full mouse support, maybe next WWDC.
Personally, I'd rather have the two pieces of hardware. But I sort of agree that Surface nailed the best basic design. Apple was right that touch screens on a conventional laptop form factor suck, but seems to have been wrong about a lot of other stuff.
I’ll respectfully disagree (see my replies below). I have a 9 year old iMac that my kids use daily and an iPad with Apple Pencil that they all use as well. Why is it too much to ask for mult-user iPad support in this situation when my 12 year old son and 8 year old daughter have completely different tastes in apps and games? And what if I would like to use it as well? It would seem that no one that’s replied to my comments has a family or kids to speak of.
I disagree that touch screens on a conventional laptop suck. You don't have to necessarily use that function, but it's still nice to have for many reasons. My wife has a Dell touchscreen laptop, she doesn't want a surface pro but has become a touchscreen convert big time. As a banker she has to use all kinds of financial programs and such and feels the touchscreen adds functionality in certain scenarios. While I believe Apple is dead wrong about touchscreens on a laptop it seems pretty obvious to me that they didn't omit touchscreens because they thought it wasn't a good fit. They omitted touchscreens because, once again, they didn't want consumers questioning why they had to have 2 devices.
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Multi user sign in is a HUGE HUGE deal when you have a family sharing the device, even if it's just you and a spouse. Not only for convenience, but there is a lot of stuff I don't necessarily want my kids to access. I'm really baffled that Apple hasn't implemented this yet, other than assuming it's their way of differentiating this from OSx and the need to buy 2 devices. But seeing how piss poor Apple's support for parental control of kids use on iOS is, it doesn't surprise me either. I stopped letting my kids use their ipads a while ago because I didn't feel I had any level of control over what they did. Really the model to follow is how Amazon handles parental control on their devices.
FINALLY, someone is backing me up. Everyone else here thinks I’m crazy asking for multi-user support on the iPad. Ha!
People don’t think you’re crazy - they’ve said you are a minority case and as such, that feature will likely not make it to the iPad anytime soon. Apple themselves have already stated the main use case for the iPad is as an individual device. Yes, your use case is different but it is still a minority amongst the user base. Just like Apple have stated that a touch screen isn’t ergonomic on a Laptop, yet there are a minority of users here stating they like the touchscreen of the Surface Pro.
Maybe you should look at the surface pro as it seems to tick your box of multi-user login at a similar price to an iPad?
I already have the iPad and I really don’t think my use case is that different from many families who own an iPad. I would just like multi-user support on the iPad now. Maybe it will arrive with iOS 14.
I’m not arguing that shared accounts are a bad thing. I was just explaining that for the most part we have moved away from the shared family computer model to everyone has their own smartphone (computer). Keep in mind that in the early days there was no user account for the family computer either. User accounts were more something that enterprise or library used. Your “user account” in the past was most likely your individual AOL or Compuserve account (email and IM). That model still persists today (gmail, yahoo mail) via web browser instead of dial up. Mac and Windows still to this day have shared programs and that’s the default installation model and that would be the case for iPad too if it got multi user accounts.
There’s a lot of fringe cases that have to be solved for shared iPad user accounts:
How does the user get logged out? Is it a time delay? Does the lock screen always show all the user accounts?
How does that affect Find My... app. If the user logs out what account takes over for locating lost or stolen iPad?
iPad serial or UUID is tied to individual iMessage account currently and also tied into iPhone for forwarding messages. How does all that get resolved? How does 2 factor authentication prompt work if another used is logged into the iPad? What happens to photos when they need to sync and the iPad doesn’t have enough storage? Delete other user accounts data to free up space? How does the system securely access a users data while another is logged in? It’s a very complicated programming problem.
Apple TV doesn’t have any of these problems because there’s no email or iMessage or 2 factor cruft to figure out. It does have photos but there’s never a guarantee that they are stored locally so it’s not a hard change to say that thumbnails and photos will always be downloaded and to toss the photos cache out when a new user logs in.
Yeah, I get that it’s a complicated problem to solve but if anyone can do it, I believe Apple can
It's not, it's just that ipad users seem to have no issues limiting themselves. I don't mean that as a bad thing against ipad users at all, but there are definitely limitations using an ipad instead of a PC. For many, probably most users this is ok because they have a PC or OSx device in addition to their ipad. Once again this is all designed to keep consumers purchasing 2 devices, the less limitations the ipad has the more consumers would consider only buying an ipad as their main computing device.
The surface devices really are quite nice in that aspect, no limitations, no trade offs yet have pretty much every single advantage the ipads have. My 7 year old uses my SP6, no issues since she has her own login and there are very simple work arounds to not share installed programs, etc. I'm planning on getting her own surface Go for xmas, she doesn't ever want to use the ipad anymore, that's for my 2 year old now as is fitting until he gets a little smarter. You should look into the surface pro paradigm.
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This stuff isnt' rocket science. A user logs themselves out, if they aren't logged out when the device goes to sleep or is powered off then they are logged off automatically, sleep time can already be changed. Yes the lock screen always shows all user accounts if everyone is logged out. Find my app works on the main or admin account, which technically is always active. iMessage works natively for the main/admin account, and any other accounts work off of an email, which currently works just fine on iOS. When photos don't have enough storage the same thing happens as currently, you get a message that you are out of space. Why would you delete another account for space? Buy a larger ipad, or at least with the pros plug in external storage. The system wouldn't access a non logged in users data, that user would have to login. 2factor you would have to login the user needing this. Most of these issues aren't issues on windows, this is the inherent flaw in iOS is that you are right, it's probably really difficult to expand to stuff like this because it's such a limited OS. It will be interesting to see how ipad OS fares as Apple applies band aid after band aid to try to make it more PC like.
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