Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
iOS 11 is looking like a fantastic upgrade.

But one thing I haven't seen demonstrated in any iOS 11 videos yet is opening split screen apps that are NOT on the dock. I heard that the swipe from right app picker is gone, so now to open any apps that are not on the dock, you have to first close the first app, and when you are in home screen you hold down the icon of the second app, open app switcher, and drag it onto the first app you had open. That seems very convoluted, and it seems to require two hands. That can't be right because iPads are meant to be held and used simultaneously. I think maybe I just need to see it in action. Anyone know of a video where it is demonstrated?

Yea, I think Apple needs to tweak this a little bit. Only being able to open split view by dragging app icons that are in the dock seems limiting. Even though now swipping from the right would bring up a mess of all your apps, the majority of them were accessible with a simple jesture. But if this means all the apps you want to use in split view must be in the dock...it's going to be a very large dock then. At least they should keep the swip feature as an additional option for opening apps in split view.
 
Yea, I think Apple needs to tweak this a little bit. Only being able to open split view by dragging app icons that are in the dock seems limiting. Even though now swipping from the right would bring up a mess of all your apps, the majority of them were accessible with a simple jesture. But if this means all the apps you want to use in split view must be in the dock...it's going to be a very large dock then. At least they should keep the swip feature as an additional option for opening apps in split view.

Hmm do you have iOS 11 beta installed? Can you verify the dock is the only way to open a new split screen app? I heard otherwise. I just haven't seen it. I don't have the beta myself since I'm not a developer.

Edit: found this thread on this topic. https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...n-the-dock-to-split-screen-in-ios-11.2049699/
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: DotCom2
Hmm do you have iOS 11 beta installed? Can you verify the dock is the only way to open a new split screen app? I heard otherwise. I just haven't seen it. I don't have the beta myself since I'm not a developer.
Unfortunately I don't have the beta yet, but hopefully I will get my hands on it at the end of June. But from the impressions I received from watching WWDC and hands-on from other sites, this is the way to use split view for iOS 11, at least for the beta. I hope I am wrong and Apple decided to keep the swipe jesture as an alternative.
 
  • Like
Reactions: subjonas
Yea, I think Apple needs to tweak this a little bit. Only being able to open split view by dragging app icons that are in the dock seems limiting. Even though now swipping from the right would bring up a mess of all your apps, the majority of them were accessible with a simple jesture. But if this means all the apps you want to use in split view must be in the dock...it's going to be a very large dock then. At least they should keep the swip feature as an additional option for opening apps in split view.
Hmm do you have iOS 11 beta installed? Can you verify the dock is the only way to open a new split screen app? I heard otherwise. I just haven't seen it. I don't have the beta myself since I'm not a developer.

Edit: found this thread on this topic. https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...n-the-dock-to-split-screen-in-ios-11.2049699/
Unfortunately I don't have the beta yet, but hopefully I will get my hands on it at the end of June. But from the impressions I received from watching WWDC and hands-on from other sites, this is the way to use split view for iOS 11, at least for the beta. I hope I am wrong and Apple decided to keep the swipe jesture as an alternative.

It’s not the only way. You can take apps from the home screen or spotlight (though the latter is a bit broken in this release). If anything I expect this will get even more flexible than that over the beta cycle.
 
  • Like
Reactions: subjonas
Pro is for intense processing, whether graphically or task-wise (data analysis, multitasking beyond belief, etc.). Apple knows they need actual computers.

It's the 95% of the computer-using population that tablets can replace and better their computer use.

Agreed, I feel that apple's use of 'PRO' is hyperbolic. It doesn't mean what it once meant. The word is now merely a marketing inflection synonymous with 'better' but not necessarily for a professional. The caveat, at least in the last 5 years being the new iMac Pro. I must add that this is coming from a sucker for apple's products who is by no means a 'pro' (in the traditional sense) user.
 
The minimum device to get the split screen features was already the Mini 4. So these features are really only on the Mini 4, Air 2, and the Pros. And only the > 10" Pros with 4 GB will get 3 apps running all at once (2 in split, 1 in the sort of "window").

Is the 3 apps at once limitation to > 4GB devices thing documented anywhere? This video is showing the 3 apps multitasking on the iPad Air 2.

Edit: never mind. apparently the 2 apps in split screen will be disabled in the back in 3 app mode on <2GB iPad.
 
It'd be nice to be able to use it on a lap comfortably too.

Is the Apple Smart Keyboard really not usable on the lap? I have read several articles where the writers felt it was indeed comfortable to use on the lap. I've only played around with the iPad Pro/ASK at the store, and I was really tempted to hop up on the table and try it in my lap! I don't think I'd be interested if it's not lap-capable.
 
I like the expanded features, but seriously, how can anyone be expected to remember all these gestures? It's hard enough to remember 3D touch sometimes.

We do thousands of things everyday, we don't need to remember each one before doing that.
Il you use gestures they will become routine.
 
Not to sound like I'm defending Jobs (cause really I don't give a ****) but I think he was referring to the days when we had to pull out a stylus to select objects on the old resistive touch screens (e.g. the old windows mobile phones).
Exactly. Jobs made his main anti-stylus statement at the iPhone introduction in 2007, more than 10 years ago. At the time, using a stylus was a dreadful experience. I think people keep forgetting about what mobile computing was like in 2007. Dropping the stylus brought it from "Wow, this feels stupid." to "Oh, this is actually kinda fun!" The reintroduction of the stylus didn't bring that awful feeling from 10 years ago back.

But in any case, as others have said, Jobs and Apple have also changed their minds on stuff. So have other companies. In 2007, Ballmer thought the iPhone was an idiotic device, and then Microsoft ended up releasing iPhone clones. So what?
 
Does multiply audio sources finally allowed to ios11? I mean can i watch a video on mute on safari and have audio playing from another video on another safari tab or iPad app?

Can i have videos playing on the same time from different sources and without most of them getting Auto in full screen mode ?

Are iPads powerfull enough when you open them the next day and safari pages haven't Auto reloaded ?

Has finally copy, select and paste become as accurate as works on Mac ?

That is not a file system but just a file organizer. No magnet links download no file system.

Did the update the iPad keyboards with more keys and more software capabilities?

They still haven't give as a Smart Cover or any kind of case with multiply stand positions and more stable...

With the new file system when i download an MP3 with browser converters like YouTube to MP3 does a song shows up there ? After than can i edit it and organize it on my Apple Music app?

Yeah yeah i know all these are first world problems for me but until then iPad will still be a toy and sth not actually needed when you have a MacBook and total freedom to do what you want.
 
  • Like
Reactions: biracialfamily91
Must admit some of the features coming up in iOS 11 I'm looking forward to.

I think the biggest thing for iOS 11 is it's really geared towards the iPad. Surprisingly, more so, some of the new hardware with iPad will take advantage of iOS 11 nicely.
 
No Xcode, no Unix shell, no USB drive support, no own configurable Keyboard shortcuts = no MacBook replacement
 
We do thousands of things everyday, we don't need to remember each one before doing that.
Il you use gestures they will become routine.
Yes, but the "gestures" we perform on a daily basis are guided by our senses and based upon outside stimuli. If I want to pick up a sandwich in front of me, it's easy because I know it's there and my sense of touch will let me know I've reached it even if I'm blind. This is much different than trying to remember that an invisible icon on a screen can be brought into view through arbitrary motion. I agree that through exposure and repeated use, these sorts of gestures become more natural, but it is much harder to get used to doing something when you forget that it's even a possibility. That is the whole point of intuitive UI design, which at one point Apple excelled at—designing systems with smart visual cues to allow natural reactions to those cues based on prior experiences.
 
  • Like
Reactions: gamrin
One thing i dont like, it takes forever to close apps now cuz u have to click on the little x on esch instead of just swiping them away unless i miss something.

Also most of the time the app i intend to have floating actually ends up in split view but the certain lag on my Air 2 may be to blame for that

I have a feeling no one i know will even use this because it isn't intuitive at all like unless you are a nerd like us or actually read a manual (which most people dont) how is anyone supposed to know that they can even swipe on an app and all this other flipping around. It took me three days to randomly notice that you can get back a floating app by swiping it back in from the side which is actually super convenient once you are even aware of it
 
I think that the new features are cool, but as usual, the real utility will come from the devs embracing the new APIs and creating useful apps. Currently, the most widely used app suite for 90% of professionals (I am talking real world definition of professionals, NOT "creatives"), MS Office, is still crippled in iOS. iPad can become a primary "computer" for facebook moms and grandparents, but not working people, yet.
 
As the iPad is tweaked to make it more and more like a laptop (buy a keyboard for it, use the file system, hail drag and drop, split screen, etc, etc, etc), it feels as though Apple is just working to reinvent the MacBook by producing a machine which isn't quite as good as—or as user-friendly as—a MacBook.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ThaRuler
Not everyone will use these features and that's why there will
be the iPad and the iPad Pro.

Maybe in the future iPad Pro might replace the Mac but not the Pro imo.
 
  • Like
Reactions: citi
Really can't wait to try this out....looks like some major improvements. If only September weren't so far away
 
I like the expanded features, but seriously, how can anyone be expected to remember all these gestures? It's hard enough to remember 3D touch sometimes.
You're not expected to remember anything. You don't have to use these features. You can still use the iPad just like usual and btw the iPad doesn't have 3D Touch so you don't have to "think" about that. I will probably buy the new iPad Pro with iOS 11 because I've longed for something like this. It will become second nature for me and many others.

Stop complaining that Apple brings "too many gestures".
 
Great new features. Im going to upgrade from iPad Air 1 to 10.5 Pro. But still cant imagine to be iPad only. So many things are more easy to handle with a mac, and im not a profesional user at all.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.