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Hands-On With iOS 11's iPad Features: Dock, Drag and Drop, App Switcher and More
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I was absolutely lost for the first day and quite sceptical of it but I’m already pretty hasppy with it now. Apart from drag up for and multi-tasking there really arent many “new” things to learn.
Clearly, it says all clouds will be included.
[doublepost=1497117481][/doublepost]That is sad. I thought my iPad2 will become more useful.
To be honest I was never really bothered about file management in iOS. I've always done my work on my MacBook and only used the iPad to review the occasional doc, mainly I find the iPad really useful for emails and media consumption.
However the new iPad pro's and ios11 look interesting (finally) and im trying to decide between either of the new iPad pro's or a 12" MacBook. Portability is the priority.
It was never much of an itch for me either. Its mainly a reading slate for me at home and a lightweight MS Office machine (light creation, editing and review) on the move and on planes. The pencil is great for note-taking too. The 9.7 pro with a smart keyboard and pencil has been an absolute champ for all these uses.
It will definitely be interesting to see if the new APIs, when 3rd parties work with the, elevate the iPad into a new space.
So what you really mean is, not a macOS replacement for a developer.
It’s incredible how self-centric people can be. “Not right for me” means “not right for everyone” in some people’s heads.
That is exactly how I used my iPad (4) I rarely use it for office now since it started showing its age and it's just easier to use a computer.
At the moment it's relegated to being a FaceTime/Spotify gadget
I'm just waiting for the first people to start receiving the new iPP's ... have a look at the iFixit tear down and then if there are no surprises I'll pull the trigger.
Wow, you misread me.
The iPad is completely useless to me. The last one I bought is an iPad 4, it's been a dedicated bathroom reader for the past 2 years, I don't think it's even had the battery charged in 6 months. I don't see myself ever buying another tablet. If the iPad was my only choice, I'd go back to pen and paper and snail mail for communication before I'd buy one. This not so much a comment on what Apple is doing with the iPad as I absolutely hate the form factor and I will not try it again.
On the other hand, I love the MBP...I've owned several starting with a powerbook G3 wallstreet in 1999, most recent is a 2011 13" MBP which is really showing it's age. The longest I ever had one before this was 5 years between the G3 and a 2004 powerbook G4.
I would love to buy an new MBP, but the current gimp-books simply do not come close to meeting my needs. I type on the laptop about 3 hours a day, and several more hours on a desktop. The keyboard on the new gimp-books is a torture device as far as I'm concerned. Add to that the limited ram (my 2011 has had 16 gig since 2011, and the upgrade cost me $80 back then), limited storage space. (My 2011 currently has 512 gig of SSD and 1TB of 7200RPM spinner in the optibay -- a solid $400 investment in the machine). Lack of magsafe (has saved my machine from a tumble literally dozens of times since 2011), the 2016 is just not an upgrade.
A faster CPU, ram and storage are nice, but there are just way too many downgrades going from my 2011 to the 2016. Add too that the obscene price tag of the 2016/2017 models and I'd feel like a complete sucker for buying one. And to add insult to injury, everything feels cheap about it; they can't even include the power extension (which has never been removed from my power cord since I bought the machine), losing the glowing logo is no big deal really but it just contributes to the cheap non-premium feel.
tl;dr: I am very much an MBP person, but the current generation is just a giant middle finger to all mac users because Apple only wants to sell iPads.
Really? Coming onto an iPad forum and thread to complain about the new MBP's? Weird points made as well, of all the things to complain about...BTO options on the 2016/17 MBP up to 2TB of internal storage and that is limited? You sound like a disgruntled old man romanticising the old days and regurgitating the same age old complaints that always resurface. It was the same with USB, and when they took away the 5.25" floppy, and the optical drive...
The iPad Pro benchmarks ridiculous circles around your 2011 MBP, but lacks the developer tools, that's clear. So why are developers coming here to have a go at the iPad Pro? Why are you all taking such offense to the notion that a white collar worker, administrative assistant, project manager, or middle manager as well as 99% of consumers could probably now feasibly replace their laptops with an iPad Pro?
Is the vitriol because you guys actually secretly want the iPad Pro do be able to replace your laptops? Or is it because you all feel threatened by the increased abilities of the form factor, and are scared that products that you want/need will not be addressed by Apple because of them?
I mean, I haven't met a proper developer who didn't have their own external keyboard they swore by, or one that didn't use an external monitor at their main workstation. I'm sure you are similar. The iPad will never address those issues directly themselves...but neither do laptops really either, do they?
The iPad can use both of these accessories very well (with the Apple TV as a wireless adapter for the monitor).
I've seen one guy at one of my clients who has this setup and he uses his iPad mini 4 as a thin client to log on to virtual machines remotely. He puts the iPad into portrait mode and Airplays to a 27" monitor that is set up in vertical orientation. He's got his favourite Bluetooth keyboard, and clickity clacks away for hours, his iPad laying flat next to him beside the keyboard so he can use it when he needs to use the mouse pointer occasionally. He is a huge keyboard shortcut guy, has all these custom mappings, etc.
He says that although he can count the number of times he has brought his MBP in to work in the last two years on one hand, he uses it daily...because remote desktop. He says he loves the iPad because it has already freed him from having to have his MBP with him all the time, and when I talked to him last week he said he was going to invest in the new iMac Pro rather than upgrade his MBP, because he doesn't need it anymore as a mobile computing device.
This guy does front end, back end, data mining, remote server maintance, the whole spectrum. Watching him work for 10 minutes was very enlightening. We got to talking and I told him my plan to try the iPad as a replacement for my rMB in my use case (finance, accounting & management consultant) dealing with tons of Office and iWork file formats, PDF's, accounting software, scanning in invoices, receipts, project management, creating and presenting reports and presentations, etc etc, and he said that when he's not coding or troubleshooting he uses his iPad usually in 80/20 split screen mode for all the mundane stuff he has to do, like email and chat support, time sheets, task management, etc. and he said it was just more fun to do all that stuff on his iPad. He told me I was brave for trying out my use case though, because he could never imagine using an iPad on its own to actually replace the remote computer he accessed through it, but that he did thoroughly appreciate that some things actually are better and more fun on iPad, and that it was probably the greatest single tool he had in his arsenal.
This guy is never going to give up his 27" screen or his favourite keyboard as a developer. But he also realised he didn't have to in order to leave his laptop at home.
I should have been more specific. Can you open a terminal window in iOS and enter commands?
You can’t now and you never could. In what way does that signify Apple is “waving goodbye to their UNIX base”?
The problem with using the Smart Keyboard on your lap is that it lacks a completely solid base (it bends right underneath where the iPad docks). As a result, you'll have a lot of moments where it'll just collapse on you. It's usable if you're careful but its definitely not ideal.
The bigger issue is the lack of backlit keys and no function row. That's what really sucks about it.
Most Mac/PC users don't even know what Xcode and Unix shell is.
Yet they do care about file management.
Your comment is very personal and only reflect your needs.
new iPad Pros finally have the potential to replace Mac for many with new features of iOS 11 and Files App is the core of those features.
I think he/she is speaking from a developer's perspective... albeit, in a bit of an over the top, dramatic way.
Developers seem to be the last group of "pro" users that are being left behind with the iPad.
I am a developer as well and really wish I could feasibly develop applications/web applications on my 12.9 iPad Pro but it just isn't a viable option on it without a Unix shell/terminal and more advanced tooling (that could be made possible if we were given access to a true file system... and no, the Files app is not a file system). I'm sure one of these days it'll happen, but, at least for now, developers are tethered to a laptop/desktop.
I like the new changes, might actually get me to upgrade from my iPad Air to a new pro if it turns out well.
Ok review of 2011 13" MBP:
The entry-level $1,199 13-inch MacBook Pro that we reviewed was built around a Second-Generation 2.3GHz Intel Core i5 processor (also known as Sandy Bridge), a 320GB hard drive, and a 13.3-inch screen. This is the base model of the group. For $300 more, you can bump up your processor to a 2.7GHz Core i7 and your hard drive to 500GB. The 15-inch models start at $1,799, and the 17-inchers at $2,499. The 15-inch and 17-inch models now come standard with Core i7 processors and advanced switchable graphics technology. The 13-inch offers only integrated Intel HD Graphics 3000 in both its models. All of the new MacBook Pros use Second-Generation Intel Core i5 or Core i7 processors.
http://www.computershopper.com/laptops/reviews/apple-macbook-pro-13-inch-2011-version
Seems to me the current price isn't that far from what it was 5-6 years ago. Now will someone adjust that for inflation please.
This post clearly indicates personal preference and perceptions are part of marketing as well as actual needs.
I personally like iPads, own two of them, have one issued to me by my Company and do most of my work on a personal 2016 13" MBPTB (I love it BTW).
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I'm using it on my lap as I type this (9.7'). It's not ideal, and it varies depending on your seated orientation, but it's certainly doable. The cramped keyboard on the 9.7" makes it even more difficult in your lap because of the angled needed on your wrists.
Well you can always not close apps because that's how iOS was designed to be used. Unless an app is specifically causing an issue there is no reason to close it and doing so actually has a negative effect on battery life and performance.
$1,199 for the MBP. The same day I brought it home it was $80 for 16 gig of ram and $300 for 256 gig of SSD -- not from Apple. SSD used to be pretty expensive.
I installed those parts as soon as I verified the machine wasn't DOA.
So $1580 all in. Now in 2017 when SSD is dirt cheap. It's $1,699 with the same ram and SSD. I supposed you can argue that it's not a huge price difference from $1580 to $1700....but a 256 gig SSD is pathetic and cheap these days. That $300 I paid will get me close to a TB of PCI-E SSD. And with my 2011 I was able to take advantage of falling prices. I last paid $150 for a 512 gig SSD and $100 for a 1TB HDD + optibay holder.
Ok... now that I can do everything on my iPad Pro... why a Macbook? As a web developer I've been using the laptop for testing only! WTF? This is crazy. It's like they are telling us: if you're not a movie producer or graphic designer go ahead and use an iPad Pro... is it?
I can't believe we're at version 11, iPads have been around for 7 years, we have Touch ID, we have super fast processors, we have tons of storage space, and we still have no support for multiple user logins. It's crazy but a lot of people have these things called families, where people of vastly different ages have different preferences and needs.
Boo, Apple, just boo! Come on.
Boo, Apple, just boo! Come on.
The bargain basement SSD you got bears no relation to the SSD that Apple ships. The nvme drives they ship are high speed, high endurance drives. If you look at samsung SSDs think more $300 pro, less $100 Evo. If you want cheap crap thrown in, especially when it comes to drives, you're looking at the wrong vendor. Dell is that way --->
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01639694M/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1497148851&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=samsung+950+pro+m.2+256gb&dpPl=1&dpID=4131LaT+I-L&ref=plSrch
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