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An iPad without a smart keyboard sucks. Apple Pencil is not enough for everything.
 
For cost, I can see folks biting on the 6th gen, but I have a feeling the new 10.5" iPP will smoke this thing in features and speed.


I bet either the Mini will be discontinued, or it'll only be updated every 2-3 years a la the Mac mini.
It’s been 3½ years and counting since we had a new Mac Mini. It’s killing me.
 
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WTF is up with the Mini? For years I've had $500 set aside for a new Mini with a better display.

Why doesn't Apple want my money?
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Because of the aspect ratio, a 7.9” mini has almost twice the screen area as would a 6.5” X Plus. Also, it would be $600-700 cheaper. One really isn’t a substitute for the other.

Nobody who uses a Mini believes an iPhone would be a good substitute. I'd bet good money that those who think an iPhone Plus is as good as a Mini iPad are the sort who don't use an iPad for reading books.
 
Grabbed this for my fiancé to replace her Surface Pro 3 and upgrade from her iPad Mini 2. Seemed like a perfect replacement for both devices and she's very happy with it so far. It arrived Friday, same as MR's. Pencil and case will be in the mail today for her, so she'll get some more time with it this week.
 
Thanks, so it must be better using the pencil then.

I have never used the pencil but i can imagine it being easier.

Is there anything you cant do with the pencil that you can do with your finger, i would imagine a single swipe would be ok, but not able to do a double swipe.
No, For most general UI interactions the finger is much better than a pencil in iOS. That isn’t to say the pencil is no good for general UI, it just isn’t as intuitive or as capable as your fingers for moving around the UI. The pencil comes into its own when taking notes or drawing where more precision is required or you don’t want to use the keyboard or SIRI to input text. The pencil is very capable for its purposes, but multi touch gestures with your fingers is what iOS is designed for from the ground up.

This is pretty much the reverse experience compared with using a Surface Pro and a Microsoft pen where the pen is surprisingly often better at most UI interactions, particularly within applications, than your finger. I guess this is probably because at heart windows 10 started off with a mouse as the main interaction instrument, or at least in mind as one of the main interaction instruments, despite the rhetoric.

Bottom line is there is no need for a pencil to effectively use an iPad, it is a nice extra to have and depending on what you use an iPad for, varies in relevance. You might buy one and hardly ever use it. This is not the case with a surface pro.

Disclosure: I use an iPad Pro with a pencil and no external keyboard. I don’t use a surface pro anymore.
 
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Since Apple is releasing the edge to edge Pro Models, why didn't Apple just lower the cost of the iPad Pro's to $399 respectively for the 10.5 and $499 for 12.9. That made more sense then to add this to their lineup.

They will most likely discontinue the iPad Pro 2017 for the new lineup.
 
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No, For most general UI interactions the finger is much better than a pencil in iOS. That isn’t to say the pencil is no good for general UI, it just isn’t as intuitive or as capable as your fingers for moving around the UI. The pencil comes into its own when taking notes or drawing where more precision is required or you don’t want to use the keyboard or SIRI to input text. The pencil is very capable for its purposes, but multi touch gestures with your fingers is what iOS is designed for from the ground up.

This is pretty much the reverse experience compared with using a Surface Pro and a Microsoft pen where the pen is surprisingly often better at most UI interactions, particularly within applications, than your finger. I guess this is probably because at heart windows 10 started off with a mouse as the main interaction instrument, despite the rhetoric.

Bottom is no need for a pencil to effectively use an iPad, it is a nice extra to have and depending on what you use an iPad for, varies in relevance. You might buy one and hardly ever use it. This is not the case with a surface pro.

Disclosure: I use an iPad Pro with a pencil and no external keyboard. I don’t use a surface pro anymore.
Thanks for the info, that is very helpful.
 
Laminate the dang screen already. It ain't much of a gap but what a difference it makes when it feels like the screen is right there under your finger tip.
 
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Apple is just waffling in the wind at this point.

Apple: "Hey guys! Here's another round of eggs! Instead of serving scrambled eggs, today we've prepared sunny side up eggs! To top it all off, we've even included a fork to go with these brand new eggs."
 
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Can't recommend it with only 2GB DRAM when it would probably cost Apple $5 more to increase to 4GB. The $500 iPad Pro 10.5 at Micro Center makes more sense with double the DRAM (4GB vs 2GB), double the storage (64GB vs 32GB) and less likely to be obsolete anytime soon.
Thank you for this comment. I actually bought the new ipad today, read your comment and then sent to micro center and got the pro. I was leaning toward the Ipad pro when I was in the apple store but in a brief hands on I could only see a difference in the screen. However double the storage and ram in addition to the screen and speakers for an extra $200 was a no brainer for me even if they release a new Ipad Pro in June.
 
Just wait for the iPhone XI Plus... It will only be 1.4" less in screen size.

1.4" less in screen size... almost half the screen area.

http://displaywars.com/6,5-inch-d{19,5x9}-vs-7,9-inch-4x3

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People need to stop ignoring the Aspect Ratio - it makes a huge difference on the actual area available for use.
 
Can't recommend it with only 2GB DRAM when it would probably cost Apple $5 more to increase to 4GB. The $500 iPad Pro 10.5 at Micro Center makes more sense with double the DRAM (4GB vs 2GB), double the storage (64GB vs 32GB) and less likely to be obsolete anytime soon.


Heck do a price match and get it for $475 from Staples!
 
Since Apple is releasing the edge to edge Pro Models, why didn't Apple just lower the cost of the iPad Pro's to $399 respectively for the 10.5 and $499 for 12.9. That made more sense then to add this to their lineup.

They will most likely discontinue the iPad Pro 2017 for the new lineup.
Serious answer...because they understand their pricing, products and market better than you.
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Apple is just waffling in the wind at this point.

Apple: "Hey guys! Here's another round of eggs! Instead scrambled we've made them sunny side up! We've even included a fork to go with it."
Yeah, no strategy at the biggest company in the world coming off the best quarter in corporate history.

They are just blowing in the wind, not sure what to do.

Back to reality...they are CRUSHING it.
 
Which means this is the best tablet out for the money? Technology is always the “next” thing. Silly comment.
I totally agree. But the discount for students is minimal. Even less funny. You get a iPad 2018 for 4 Apple pencil prices. That's funny. :)
[doublepost=1522717515][/doublepost]Instead of giving 200 GB, Apple pencil prices could have fallen. (I'm not a student)
 
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