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While on Apple front this year we will have: a. 1 more camera on the back that is very Unlikely to be better than Huawei's P30pro; b. The fastest processor Apple has ever made, again; c. Dark more in iOS; d. More and more advanced animojis; e. The most advanced and useless assistant, except for Bixby; f. Possibly a price bump; and g. Maybe, just maaaaaybe, finally a charger to fast charger in of the box; h.smaller notch ever made by Apple in an IPhone and fastest faceId ever, yet still slower than TouchId. And I will buy it...
 
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Nice looking device, but I am not sure I would be willing to trust the pop up camera. And the lack of an ingress rating is a show stopper. I could care less about wireless charging and so do not consider the lack of that to matter for me.
 
That’s a much more elegant design than the rumored 2019 iPhone designs. I’m fine with the notch, but the new camera layout on the leaks looks quite bad in comparison to other multi camera solutions. Kudos to OnePlus for pushing design forward.
 
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You failing to recognize the hardware design doesn’t mean it’s not there.

There is still no viable competitor to FaceID, as an example. iPhones are incredibly durable and have the best silicon, are among leaders in mobile display accuracy, and have some of the best cameras in the industry.
Huawei has had a FaceID-like (IR-illuminator/dot-projector) implementation for some time. Just look up the Mate 20 pro.

Apple is good, but that's not enough anymore with the competition exploding in the last two years and at better price points to boot.
 
It does have waterproofing. Wireless charging is just a "spec". USB-C and warp charging is far better.

The resale value of our iPhone won't even begin to cover the Apple tax you paid to have it in the first place.

I have to say put it to the test and see just how good OnePlus word that it has it really is. Is their word bond when it comes to their warranty support?!

Right now Apple is the tops with their phones and I’m not about playing false spoken marketing hype to sell a phone with no certification which OnePlus will reneg on. No thanks.
 
this looks like a great phone, apple plz catch up
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Huawei has had a FaceID-like (IR-illuminator/dot-projector) implementation for some time. Just look up the Mate 20 pro.

Apple is good, but that's not enough anymore with the competition exploding in the last two years and at better price points to boot.
FaceID , still has not appeared in a mainstream device, in any scale.
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If I didn’t already have the XS Max, I would buy this thing hands-down. Phones like this will either force Apple to do better, or lose market share. Not sure if Apple can cure itself from obsessive greed.
 never cared about Marketshare. Their global marketshare is only 15-18%.
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Ahhh’ so much nicer than the ugly notch on my iPhone X.
Your notch wont break apart after a few months.
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iPhone mute switch? Home Button?
Your mute switch breaking, wont hinder your device functionality. Home buttons since the 7 are non moving. Before the 7 if you had home button issues, you could easily use assistive touch.
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Face Unlock is not same as FaceID. FaceID is 3D based , while Samsung & Huawei & One Plus ones are 2D images.
 
Looks slick....UNTIL I saw that pop up camera!
AWFUL idea, First thing I picture going wrong (no pun intended), the pop up camera gets stuck in the up position, or snaps off. (snaps...no pun intended there also)
 
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Not everyone is a teenage girl "Instagram model" and uses a selfie camera or cares about it for the few times they will use it in the phone's lifetime. Despite what out social media obsessed culture wants you to believe that everyone is obsessed with taking photos and showing their lives off on the internet.

If you dont use it then it can't really break. But you cannot put away a camera bump or notch out of sight.

Popup camera>notch any day for me for the maybe 10 times I will ever use the front camera in a year vs hundreds of times a day looking at the display

I'm not arguing against the popup - I think it's probably fine...

BUT not all front-fracing camera use is for "insta-selfies": Don't forget about video chat. I Facetime with my parents and my fiance's parents multiple times per week...
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What notch? Ah yes. Just looked. I'd forgotten it was there. :rolleyes:

Hah - I agree with this. Had the X since launch. Literally NEVER think about the notch. But it might depend on what you do with your phone. If you watch full-screen movies / TV on your phone a lot I could see it getting annoying. But I don't do that...
 
Face Unlock is not same as FaceID. FaceID is 3D based , while Samsung & Huawei & One Plus ones are 2D images.
Huawei Mate 20 Pro most certainly has 3D face unlock, as I already said. Why keep repating false information?

Try to read my post you replied to again, which says Mate 20 pro uses the same techniques as FaceID, with dot-projector to attain 3D scanning capabilities. Together with IR illumination to work in total darkness, same as FaceID.
 
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I would be all over this if it ran iOS. I don't use the front facing camera very often either. I feel like Apple kinda designed themselves into a corner (like a thermal corner?) with Face ID. Sure it can be useful in some situations like wearing gloves, but in other situations it can be annoying like when not looking directly at the display when it's laying on a desk or, on the iPad, when you accidentally cover it with your thumb 70% of the time you try to unlock it. The thing is, I'm not sure if they are going to get to a point technologically within the next 5 years where they can produce a notchless display. At least not without squaring off the corners of the iPhone, leaving the rounded display edges, and then hiding the cameras in the corners. But that would look pretty weird.

Meanwhile all of these new Android phones will be leaving the iPhone looking dated. The pop-up camera is a good solution for selfies and FaceTime, but not for each time you need to unlock your phone. I sometimes still think that in-display Touch ID—an improved version better than the cruddy version many Android phones use—could still be in the cards for a future iPhone. But I also worry about having any moving parts in a mobile device, which is the obvious solution for the front camera. This implementation does indeed look strong, but moving parts always break down over time. Even simple things like the old home button would sometimes give out. But I feel like for many people the moving camera is a better trade off than the notch. Personally it doesn't bother me that much unless I'm watching really wide screen video. But there is also something nice about the clean aesthetic of a notchless display that really resonates with me. I love my 2018 iPad Pro for this reason, along with the Pro Motion. Surely the X-class 2019 iPhone will feature Pro Motion, or at the very least something in-between like this.

At this point I'm just not finding a lot of reason to upgrade my iPhone this year—and I do it every year. Hopefully this just means Apple is doing a better job at keeping things a secret. The problem is the XS is just a damn good phone. Sure there are some small improvements that could be made, but even for enthusiasts like me, I feel like there needs to be something big to make it worthwhile. Maybe if the camera is really that much better and there is Pro Motion? But even then I'm only on the fence. What will it have to push me to buy, much less the average guy on the street who isn't going to care about potentials like WiFi 6 or a slightly smaller notch or 480fps slow motion?
 
Meanwhile, Apple is preparing to throw some revamped iPhone XSS models with fisher-price design on the market. They've managed to put themselves in an impossible situation for the years to come.
 
Huawei Mate 20 Pro most certainly has 3D face unlock, as I already said. Why keep repating false information?

Try to read my post you replied to again, which says Mate 20 pro uses the same techniques as FaceID, with dot-projector to attain 3D scanning capabilities. Together with IR illumination to work in total darkness, same as FaceID.
Yeah, its niche model. No mainstream Huawei phone uses that FaceID level tech, certainly not within $750.
 
Fantastic effort. Good price, real, quantifiable improvement over the predecessor, and also addresses the major android pain points of smooth scrolling and input lag with the 90Hz screen and the 135Hz input sampling (which this article doesn't mention).

The screen really looks amazing without any bezels, notches or punches.

Immensely well done. I don't really have an interest in using Android, but will probably get this just to test drive for a week or so.
 
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Huawei has had a FaceID-like (IR-illuminator/dot-projector) implementation for some time. Just look up the Mate 20 pro.

Apple is good, but that's not enough anymore with the competition exploding in the last two years and at better price points to boot.
The Mate 20 version is known to be fooled far more easily than FaceID. You know that.

Apple did $166B in iPhone revenue in FY2018. Yes, China sales have fallen off in the most recent 2 quarters, but the iPhone is still very strong and iPhone users are not switching. If anything, they just aren’t upgrading as often but active devices continue to grow for Apple. Trade wars do not help either. Services and wearables are growing. It’s the natural progression of a mature product to stop growing and even shrink. Apple saw this and it is why services are the new focus.
 
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