Hands-On With the OnePlus 7 Pro's New Pop-Up Camera and Bezel-Free Display

[timber]

I had a Nokia 7650 with a sliding back, never broke, amazing handset for its time, first Symbian camera phone by Nokia I believe. I also had a Sony Ericsson S700i and that had a swivel front and shutters over the lens on the back and that didn't break either.

I also had an 7650, that thing was really reliable, even after falling sometimes it kept not only sliding but also locking into place at both open and closed position.
It was also a smartphone in many ways, with many useful apps. Of course Nokia phones were never that popular in the USA instead of the Blackberry phones which were really lacklustre devices compared with the best Nokia offered.

 

[dilbert99]

Worse. It's motorized. So there's two things to break. Interesting idea, though.

I have motorized lenses on my camera.

 

[yeknommonkey]

Someone may need to do a DFMEA on this.
What happens when the phone slips out of hand when taking selfie with the motorized camera stuck out?

it detects the 'drop' and puts itself away! its pretty fancy.

 

[knirirr]

With no facial recognition and the front facing camera hidden away until activated this looks awesome.

But, the disadvantages:
- Having to root and install a custom ROM to make the OS half-decent.
- No good Android smartwatch available.

 

[Eagle1337]

This reminds me so much of that FaceID just sucks as a stand alone authentication mechanism, i catch myself numerous times during the day hoovering my face over my phone on the desk to read the content of a SMS, or to see the content of breaking news messages. FaceID should never stand alone without TouchID, it just doesnt cut it. I so hope the 2020 iphones will have under the screen TouchID like all the new Androids. TouchID + FaceID would be optimal.

 

[knirirr]

I so hope the 2020 iphones will have under the screen TouchID like all the new Androids. TouchID + FaceID would be optimal.

I hope so too, though I'd want to turn FaceID off and put a sticker over the camera anyway, so the OnePlus would be a more elegant solution. ;-)

 

[pika2000]

What do you think of the OnePlus 7 Pro and the pop-up selfie cam?

What do I think of it? It’s BBK upselling their Vivo/Oppo parts in the US/EU market for more profit, and the fanboys lap it all up.

OnePlus is no longer interesting. They’re just another expensive brand now. I’ll wait for the Redmi K20.

 

[dumastudetto]

Given the history of OnePlus, any privacy-focused Apple enthusiast wouldn't touch one of their phones with a barge-pole.

 

[MultiMan]

I have motorized lenses on my camera.

Yeah, I had motorized Canon lenses (all 7 of them) for my Eos in the '80s , always worked flawlessly for the over 10 years I had it. One would think modern people would love innovation no matter what the brand, I know I do. Not constantly try to derate the brand your not currently using. Very strange behaviour.

 

[44267547]

I so hope the 2020 iphones will have under the screen TouchID like all the new Androids.

Let me bring you up to speed on a few things. If you followed anything when Face ID first launched, Craig Federighi (VP of software engineering) mentioned in an interview that when they were developing Face ID, they actually did test a fingerprint sensor under the display, and ultimately that was ‘Plan B’ if a Face ID did not present itself in the way Apple had hoped. Once Face ID became optimal through extensive testing, they abandoned touch ID under the display, thus Apple is no longer going to use touch ID under a display, as that was really never their goal in the first place. Face ID is the future as Tim Cook said for future Apple products.

So your hopes of having touch ID under the display _and_ Face ID is a very unlikely scenario given Apple already considered touch ID at one point, and traditionally, Apple is not about providing a lot of biometric options.

 

[Bulletsrx]

The iPhone chin is still smaller
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You failing to recognize the hardware design doesn’t mean it’s not there.

There is still no viable competitor to FaceID, as an example. iPhones are incredibly durable and have the best silicon, are among leaders in mobile display accuracy, and have some of the best cameras in the industry.

The mate 20 Pro has 3D face unlock

 

[Eagle1337]

Let me bring you up to speed on a few things. If you followed anything when Face ID first launched, Craig Federighi (VP of software engineering) mentioned in an interview that when they were developing Face ID, they actually did test a fingerprint sensor under the display, and ultimately that was ‘Plan B’ if a Face ID did not present itself in the way Apple had hoped. Once Face ID became optimal through extensive testing, they abandoned touch ID under the display, thus Apple is no longer going to use touch ID under a display, as that was really never their goal in the first place. Face ID is the future as Tim Cook said for future Apple products.

So your hopes of having touch ID under the display _and_ Face ID is a very unlikely scenario given Apple already considered touch ID at one point, and traditionally, Apple is not about providing a lot of biometric options.

Apple has changed its mind on a lot of stuff during the time (Who wants a stylus..) etc.. Noone had under screen fingerprint reader in mass production when they developed the X, meaning the technology was slow and unprecise back then. It has changed meanwhile, its very precise, and its very fast on the new Androids.

So because Apple didnt include a fingerprint reader under the screen 3 years ago with unmature technology, doesnt mean they dont want it in 2 years.

And my hopes are still up for it. I tried to cope with Android but failed. So my bets are on Apple to bring it to the table.

 

[Kabeyun]

"I like part of my screen missing. In the past, I was annoyed having a perfectly uniform screen with 4 edges...and Apple has delivered by cutting part of it out. Magical. Courage."

I can only imagine the amount of flack Samsung would've received on here if they released the notch first.

It’s not missing screen. It houses a camera and sensors, just like notches, hole punches, and bezels in other phones. The tabs on either side of it are extra screen. Some people don’t mind, others like you think it’s the bloody antichrist.

And for the record, Sammy’s flack would’ve been a mere blip compared to the flack heaped on Apple and Tim Cook personally for...everything. China trade policy, emoji, pollution, blood diamonds, the measles outbreak, the Spanish Inquisition, the Tuskegee Experiments, MS-13, the second Boer War, and the execution of Socrates. All somehow Apple’s fault. Just ask MR forums.

Now try to imagine the flack had Apple given the X a bezel straight across the top. Would’ve triggered such a bezel allergy here that pharmacies would’ve run out of epi pens. Like I said, Apple can’t win. The haters and wanty whiners are just as bad as the fanboys, only much louder.

 

[44267547]

Apple has changed its mind on a lot of stuff during the time (Who wants a stylus..) etc...

Your stylus example isn’t really applicable to the iPhone, because there is no Apple Pencil support for the iPhone. The Apple Pencil (Stylus) is strictly referring to the iPad. Either way, I think it’s fairly evident Face ID is growing now that it’s into the iPad line and eventually the Mac There is no inclination Apple will be using a fingerprint sensor under the display in the future at all for the iPhone, at least not when Face ID is still in its infancy.

Noone had under screen fingerprint reader in mass production when they developed the X, meaning the technology was slow and unprecise back then.

It doesn’t seem to be Apples vision about being ‘fast’ or the first with a fingerprint sensor under the display, they wanted something more secure, which face ID with 3-D facial mapping proved to be far more secure over a fingerprint reader, which they touched on during the 2017 iPhone X keynote.

It has changed meanwhile, its very precise, and its very fast on the new Androids.

Have you read reviews (Or experienced yourself) about the galaxy S10 fingerprint sensor under the display? Some [Both user/critic reviews] are very critical talking about how it’s not really that precise, and it’s not as fluid as the unlocking button on the S10E in comparison.

 

[nexusrule]

That screen is a real innovation, Apple can you please pay attention?
Yeah, we have enough emojis already...

Does it make sense to compare a technological device that's just out with one from almost a year ago? I mean, Samsung and co. organise their release cycle so that their products come out enough time after the iPhone that they can look more advance, nothing wrong with that. But by now everyone in this forum should know that.

 

[ChromeCloud]

This thing ships with 50% more RAM than a brand new 13 inch MacBook Pro.

 

[Wowereit]

So a slight difference in bezel size on the forehead and chin triggers one’s asymmetry OCD but a huge notch across two thirds of the top doesn’t?

I can see where he's coming from.

If something is close to being symmetrical but actually not, it constantly draws my attention once I've noticed it.

My brain starts obsessing about the small difference, it's really distracting.

 

[watchthisspace]

The One Plus 7 Pro looks great, too bad it, like a lot of Android phones, won't make a big enough dent in Apple's market share to make Apple think their current phone cycle.

 

[Quicksilver867]

I tried out a 6T while looking at replacements for my iPhone 7. The in-screen fingerprint sensor was horrible (and was a major reason I looked at the 6T in the first place).

With any luck, this one will have improved that ability. Looks like a great phone, though I remain skeptical of liquid cooling and a popup camera.

 

[mingravity]

Someone may need to do a DFMEA on this.
What happens when the phone slips out of hand when taking selfie with the motorized camera stuck out?

Apparently if the phone detects a fall it retracts the pop out front cam. Its an interesting implementation no doubt but moving parts are always a liability and i am guessing it also compromises on water resistance

 

[fourthtunz]

Cheaper than the XS? It's a lot cheaper than the XR, proving just what overpriced trash that phone is.

I very happy with mine but you are free to buy lesser trash android phones.

 

[ROGmaster]

Does it make sense to compare a technological device that's just out with one from almost a year ago? I mean, Samsung and co. organise their release cycle so that their products come out enough time after the iPhone that they can look more advance, nothing wrong with that. But by now everyone in this forum should know that.

First the Xs Max is not "almost a year old".
Second according to recent leaks the next iphone will have an Xs Max like screen anyway.

So his advice that Apple should pay attention does make a lot of sense.

 

[nicho]

The mate 20 has 3D face unlock

The P30 Pro has a huge warning that its face unlock is not as secure as fingerprint recognition when you enable it.

A lot of people in this thread seem to be missing the point. I could go downstairs and build a car, but it wont be a ferrari.

 

[ROGmaster]

I very happy with mine but you are free to buy lesser trash android phones.

Interesting, insults are the best thing you've got?

 

[MultiMan]

The P30 Pro has a huge warning that its face unlock is not as secure as fingerprint recognition when you enable it.

A lot of people in this thread seem to be missing the point. I could go downstairs and build a car, but it wont be a ferrari.

P30 Pro doesn't have 3D face unlock, so why are mentioning it in this context?

In my experience, Huawei has if anything better build quality than current Apple offerings.