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Have you read reviews (Or experienced yourself) about the galaxy S10 fingerprint sensor under the display? Some [Both user/critic reviews] are very critical talking about how it’s not really that precise, and it’s not as fluid as the unlocking button on the S10E in comparison.

I havent had the pleasure myself, but few youtubers found that the one+ seven pro was very fast. Jerryrigeverything and unbox therapy, the only reviews i have seen. but of course they dont test from a structured approach, they just say how they experience it from a users POV. They were both very satisfied with the response from the one+7 pro, that was not always the case with underscreen readers.

Still crossing fingers for an underscreen touchID, as I'm getting super tired of hoovering my face over the phone on my desk when at work. The tech is improving, and i still think that Apple would implement it once its perfected.
 
Yeah, I had motorized Canon lenses (all 7 of them) for my Eos in the '80s , always worked flawlessly for the over 10 years I had it. One would think modern people would love innovation no matter what the brand, I know I do. Not constantly try to derate the brand your not currently using. Very strange behaviour.
Yup, you should try to keep moving parts to a minimum but when it calls for it, quite cool on cars where the lights pop up.
If this implementation has sensors linked to it so they pop back in when a phone is falling like in a hard drive, that is neat.

I remember being a big apple fan but now that I am not so big a fan, I can see the level of fanaticism in some fans.
Competition is the best thing for consumers.
 
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Huawei has had a FaceID-like (IR-illuminator/dot-projector) implementation for some time. Just look up the Mate 20 pro.

Apple is good, but that's not enough anymore with the competition exploding in the last two years and at better price points to boot.
It is a very poor implementation. Also is not used in secure apps.
 
The P30 Pro has a huge warning that its face unlock is not as secure as fingerprint recognition when you enable it.

A lot of people in this thread seem to be missing the point. I could go downstairs and build a car, but it wont be a ferrari.
What? Lol the person said Mate 20 and you're talking about the P30.

You seen to be missing the point that you don't know what we are talking about.
 
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P30 Pro doesn't have 3D face unlock, so why are mentioning it in this context?

In my experience, Huawei has if anything better build quality than current Apple offerings.

Hang on what? They released a newer flagship phone with a poorer implementation of the tech? (Genuine question)
 
So a slight difference in bezel size on the forehead and chin triggers one’s asymmetry OCD but a huge notch across two thirds of the top doesn’t? :confused:

No, the notch doesn't bother me at all. Whilst I can see why a more pragmatic person may take greater issue with it over a 'chin', it isn't asymmetrical; that's my point. I don't believe for a moment that Apple would entertain the idea of a physical 'chin' precisely for that reason since after all, they deliberately sited the display controller so as to avoid it.

The whole concept of the notch seems to be more hotly debated than the 'chin' and whilst I can see why, I would take more issue with the latter as it was and is avoidable, whereas the notch wasn't and isn’t, unless you compromise on functional quality as OnePlus have here. I.e., the pop up camera where particles of dust and debris will inevitably enter the phone over time and cause damage and where facial recognition is essentially pointless. If this method of hiding the camera was considered reliable, more mainstream manufacturers would have copied it from Vivo and Oppo.

Yes, Apple could have taken the approach that Samsung did with the S8, but that wouldn’t be distinctive enough for Apple and would have appeared to Joe public as a direct copy of Samsung’s design, even if that obviously couldn’t possibly be the case.

Put simply, with the current inability to hide the camera module, the notch (in some form, even if it’s just the camera) is a necessity, whereas the chin isn’t; that’s why it bothers my ‘OCD’!

Regardless, it still appears to be a decent phone and the question of how far a company should go to sacrifice one aspect of functional quality to increase another (i.e. screen to body ratio) is an interesting debate that shows how far the industry has come.
 
Next fully redesigned iPhone will be notchless. Pop up selfie camera would be cool in iPhone and curved screen not. Plz apple copy that pop up camera and remove notch.
 
Interesting discussion.
While there is a lot of pros and cons, I own both an iPhone X and the Huawei Mate 20 Pro.
The iPhone stays at home and the Mate 20 Pro is with me. I do not know which is better, but I do have more fun using the Mate 20 Pro.
 
Wrong. A youtuber just tested it, the phone was submerged for 16 minutes, all good.
Then he opened/closed the camera underwater and it worked.
I guess it's as waterproof as XS Max or even better.


Respectfully, water resistance isn’t as simple as leaving it in a shallow jug or dipping the camera in for a few moments. The chief problem with any kind of resistance is water pressure and, whilst the OnePlus will likely satisfy most scenarios (e.g. dropping it into the toilet or sink), I doubt it would be able to manage much more than that as if it could, I don’t see why OnePlus would avoid it being tested for an IP rating.
 
That camera idea is pure genius. Steve would say, they have a product. Too bad Apple didn't think of that two years ago.


Could help with facial recognition software being banned in San Fran. No stealing a face shot without user permission.
 
Respectfully, water resistance isn’t as simple as leaving it in a shallow jug or dipping the camera in for a few moments. The chief problem with any kind of resistance is water pressure and, whilst the OnePlus will likely satisfy most scenarios (e.g. dropping it into the toilet or sink), I doubt it would be able to manage much more than that as if it could, I don’t see why OnePlus would avoid it being tested for an IP rating.
They already said why, because it would make the phone 30-50$ more expensive.
I honestly wouldn't pay that money just to get and IP rating on the box. If the phone is water damaged no company will cover it anyway.
The one plus 7 looks like it can easily survive any rain or water splashes so that's great.
 
Interesting discussion.
While there is a lot of pros and cons, I own both an iPhone X and the Huawei Mate 20 Pro.
The iPhone stays at home and the Mate 20 Pro is with me. I do not know which is better, but I do have more fun using the Mate 20 Pro.

Do you find the lack of ecosystem integration an annoyance? Would you consider it manageable for the future? I’m considering Android once my X gives up the ghost, but the lack of immediate integration and privacy concerns (with Android in general) always makes me lean towards Apple, especially when choosing the ‘wrong’ device can be a costly mistake for your wallet!
 
Your brain will break more often than the motorised camera.

Yes, Look you’d have to do 150 operations per day for 5 years. Do you fancy yourself so much you’d take 150 selfies per day? LOL

anyway buy 3 of them for the cost of one iPhone XS Max if you’re worried it will break... 6 SIM cards too you could have....you’d need since you’re so popular and all those selfies you take of your pretty face the world needs to see them.


273750 times. Yes. I don't do selfies much, actually. I was commenting generally on engineering. Calm down.

But at the end of the day I would still have Android phones. A cute little dongle can't change that. LOL.
 
They already said why, because it would make the phone 30-50$ more expensive.
I honestly wouldn't pay that money just to get and IP rating on the box. If the phone is water damaged no company will cover it anyway.
The one plus 7 looks like it can easily survive any rain or water splashes so that's great.

If that’s the case then I can see the logic. I would still be dubious about the camera though as I struggle to see how it would allow for the same degree of protection.

We’ll find out in due course!
 
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Looks like a nice phone, probably what we will get from Apple in a couple years (looks wise). I don't use the front facing camera often so that doesn't bother me, but I wouldn't want to give up Face ID. Overall, a good option for those that prefer Android, but I wouldn't give up iOS at this point. Slight hardware changes or software features here or there aren't a driver for me. I need the best combination of performance, security, privacy, ecosystem, apps, and support. iOS is still best in that respect.
 
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The P30 Pro has a huge warning that its face unlock is not as secure as fingerprint recognition when you enable it.

A lot of people in this thread seem to be missing the point. I could go downstairs and build a car, but it wont be a ferrari.

*Mate 20 Pro had a 3D face unlock feature and so does the Mi 8 explorer edition
 
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