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Hands-On With Volvo's Dual-Screen Apple Maps CarPlay Experience
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A recent study of both map apps has found that they're on par at the least with Apple pulling ahead.
No. It may be an upgrade if you have google entertainment but not for the Nexxus system
Volvos are not imported into the US from China. I'm pretty baffled that you believe this. Only the S90L is bulit there, and it doesn't come to the US. Most Volvos you see today are built in North Carolina, with a few being Swedish or Belgian.
As someone who has worked in the intelligence community, let me promise you that most of these Chinese imports are scrutinized far more than those from the rest of the world.
Imagine those who bought new Teslas at the beginning of the year. Some of those cars are now selling for $45k+ less e.g., the base price of a Model S Plaid went from $135,990 in January to $89,990 today. Some optoins have been reduced in price as well e.g., Full Self-Driving (FSD) went from $15k to $12k.
It's the electric models that aren't made in the US yet. The EX90 and Polestar 3 will be taking over that factory if they haven't already.
I have not seen a Volvo with a different screen. The system changed from Nexxus to Android a few years ago but the screen is the same
If you couldn't tell that those cars weren't worth what they were selling for over the last decade, you probably deserved to lose that money. Tesla has been branded as a luxury car when they are a company cutting costs at every turn. These two things don't exist together.
Imo? When it comes to EVs, there are Teslas, and then everything else. They are currently so far ahead, they make not only the buying experience of legacy manufactures seem archaic, but the cars themselves. Tesla is the Ford of the twenty-first century.
Tesla has 60% of 2% of the entire car market. And their marketshare of that 2% is falling with just a few of the other companies dipping their toes into EV's. I'm going to guess you're not good at seeing trends like this.
You're aware that the option to automatically heat your car's seats when it's cold can be turned off, right? A few taps now will save you repeated taps each time you experience this problem. You can switch it back on in the winter.
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Lol at including gas cars. Gas cars are getting banned in many countries, did you know?
Tesla had 75% marketshare of EVs in USA at one point.
For Tesla to maintain 75% marketshare, Tesla would have to sell 3 cars for every single non-Tesla EV sold.
Essentially for every 1 factory Ford builds, Tesla would need to build 3. Then another 3 for GM. Another 3 for BMW which would be unrealistic.
I'm quite literally seeing this more accurately than you. Hope you aren't shorting Tesla stock based on that take.
I hear you about the tiny climate controls. For what it’s worth you can control all of it through voice and it’s very responsive (hey Google set the temperature to 22, hey Google set the driver seat heater to level 1 hey Google set the steering wheel heat to level 2). It’s not a physical button but it is handy. You can do all of that for the passenger too.
So it's illegal to pick up your phone while driving...because distraction...but car companies can litter the dash with screens and widgets and multi-level deep menus and all sorts of animations and that's just fine. 🤯
Oh one thing that wasn’t mentioned that’s kind of cool is that they updated the tiles to be interactive. So if you have th iPhone tile up while you’re on the Home Screen you’ll see the song playing and have song controls, or you’ll see calls etc. this is true for all apps - for example you can see audible controls and details as well. It’s a really handy feature - I stay on the Home Screen most of the time.
I get what folks are saying about the smaller screen. That was a frustration for me too given our other vehicle is a Mach E with an enormous screen. But I quickly found it didn’t bother because…I’m driving and don’t spend a lot of time looking at the screen. I would definitely take a larger one if I could but it ended up being less of a big deal than I thought it would be.
I get what folks are saying about the smaller screen. That was a frustration for me too given our other vehicle is a Mach E with an enormous screen. But I quickly found it didn’t bother because…I’m driving and don’t spend a lot of time looking at the screen. I would definitely take a larger one if I could but it ended up being less of a big deal than I thought it would be.
The dual screen display won’t work with the wireless dongles unfortunately. Maybe there will be a software update for the single eventually to support that.
And what does Apple want? Recurring revenue via app subscriptions. Apple is the largest subscription clearing house on the planet. Anyone who complains about companies wanting to monetize their user base and generate subscription...need only look to Apple as the source of inspiration for all this subscription madness.
I ran across an article not long ago that said GM expects to generate $2-3B/year from subscription revenue. Apple generates close to $80B/year. Apple is pretty much singlehandedly responsible for the shift to subscription everything in the past few years. They've made the subscription model popular, so why shouldn't other companies jump on board? Sadly, users will not win out.
You cancelled your order because you didn’t like the App Screen. Wow!
So they may or may not be banned in 10-20 years and that should be a reason to discount what is currently >90% of the market? The only part of the market that is profitable (once you remove subsidies).
Or maybe they are just smart enough to switch to making EVs at the same pace as costumers switch to buying EVs.
It is kinda like 39 years ago when Apple was the only one with a functional GUI based computer on the market. Everything else was utter c##p and MS stood no chance of maintaining it's marketshare.....
No, sales of gas cars is banned by 2035 in EU https://e360.yale.edu/digest/eu-gas-car-phaseout-2035
Several states in USA plans to require EVs by 2035, including California which is the largest market for cars in USA. https://www.newsobserver.com/money/states-banning-gas-powered-cars-2
Switching factories/engineering to mass market EV takes more than 15 years to be profitable (see Tesla's history).
Lol. Well said. Personally I'm not buying into the current EV delusion. Look at how many times one or more (US) power grid has failed, or almost failed, due to weather events in the past few years. So there isn't even enough power to keep the heat on for some people, but we're all going to charge our cars? I'm waiting for someone to explain how that is going to work short of building nuclear power plants everywhere, in record time.
Energy prices have been rising steadily. It will cost huge amounts of money to update our power grids and build the necessary energy generating infrastructure to accommodate the switch to EVs and if there's one thing the US does especially poorly, it's infrastructure. I'm not pro-gas, but I don't think EVs are the answer. Beyond our woefully inadequate energy generating capacity, there are a lot of issues with batteries, from rare Earth mineral issues to recycling and disposal (all of which I think are much more solvable than the energy capacity issue).
Actually, I think that Apple was relatively late to this game, but they've been able to make up lost time so quickly due to the established user base of IOS.
Subscriptions are the rule in enterprise software. For example, pay $100k up front (plus massive consultation and integration fees at $200+ per hour) and then pay one fifth ($20k, in this case) for the right to actually use the software beyond year one.
As you become more dependent on the software to run your business (made worse with customizations that become sunk costs), the providers simply increase the annual license fees...staying just below the exorbitant costs and hassle of starting over again on another platform.
Investors love this model because the providers don't really NEED to improve their product as long as they maintain the product.
Getting back to GM...I read that they expect as much as $25 billion by 2030. This is a big deal in an industry to doesn't reward margin or profitability for a single transaction they way they used to. Considering that the average car now lasts nearly 12 years...GM is banking on subsidizing lower sticker prices with ongoing subscription fees that buyers don't calculate at the time of purchase. If they lower their up-front margins by 5% and get an additional 10%+ over the life of the car, then Wall Street will reward them handsomely.
If GM wins with this strategy, then everyone will HAVE TO do it.
And...
If/when Apple ever feels long-term downward pressure on iPhone sales...they could easily adopt a similar strategy with Apple One+