Happy 420 People

[homerjward]

just so everybody knows, ip adresses are traceable, and all you druggies could get busted for talking about what you do.

if that logic follows:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Practice_of_law#Unauthorized_practice_of_law

god, can't y'all stop arguing about this? this thread was posted because someone who smokes marijuana wanted to celebrate 4/20 with other people who do the same; not because he wanted to be lectured and start a huge argument.

 

[OutThere]

You think in 150 years, pot will no longer have its negative affects or something? It will always be bad. It has been given a bad name because it is bad.

My point is that things change. The reality of people who lived 150 years ago was just the same as ours is today.

The example I used is fitting because the people who believed that masturbation was bad had just as strong convictions as people who speak out against drugs today. In their present day your statement would have been just as true regarding masturbation...it was a sin to them and was bad for the health.

Times change, and believe it or not, the status quo we live with today will not remain, however real and ever-present our reality feels at this moment. Our lifespans are immaterial.

 

[iJon]

You think in 150 years, pot will no longer have its negative affects or something? It will always be bad. It has been given a bad name because it is bad.

Like what OutThere is saying, things will change and are changing. Like my previous examples, look at Denver, Aspen, Alaska, Amsterdam, Vancouver (hell, most of Canada), good majority of Europe. Also I know many northwestern states with cities like Portland and Seattle. All these places have realized that it's not worth the taxpayer's money to seek out these individuals and place them under criminal arrest. I expect more cities to follow as the years progress. I know the Denver law is very new and recent but I feel it will be of positive results (any Denver residents care to comment on the situation).

People are discovering that our current War on Drugs is an absolute failure, has done nothing to decrease the drug usage, all it has done is fueled the black market with even more money, just as the days in Prohibition helped Al Capone set up shop for many of years.

Once again, it's only a matter of time.

jon

 

[Airforce]

My point is that things change. The reality of people who lived 150 years ago was just the same as ours is today.

The example I used is fitting because the people who believed that masturbation was bad had just as strong convictions as people who speak out against drugs today.

Science has proven that the drug is bad for you. This won't change. You can argue this all you want, but the drug, in 150, 250, 350 years, will still be bad for you to do.

 

[iJon]

Science has proven that the drug is bad for you. This won't change. You can argue this all you want, but the drug, in 150, 250, 350 years, will still be bad for you to do.

Okay, I think we've all concluded that some of us agree with marijuana, other's do not. Kind of like me talking to a Windows user about the benifits of Mac. Makes no difference to him, Windows is superior.

What I want to know is that even though you don't like marijuana, what would you have against me and a group of friends getting together in our homes to enjoy our certain activity. Is that bothersome and worrying that I might partake in that activity.

After entering the marijuana scene I started learning of more and more people I know and see in day to day life that also smoke. Some of these people are the smartest people I know, some are just normal citizens, others are relatives and others are worthless people who will probably amount to nothing. Right now in the states there are an estimated 70 million people who have used marijuana and an active user base of 20 million. In your world, what would you like to see happen to these individuals?

jon

 

[Airforce]

What I want to know is that even though you don't like marijuana, what would you have against me and a group of friends getting together in our homes to enjoy our certain activity. Is that bothersome and worrying that I might partake in that activity.

What would I have against you? Nothing, but I'd have the same opinion about you as I do about other smokers.

In your world, what would you like to see happen to these individuals?

Very heavy fines, with similar punishments that DWI covers because of the sole fact that someone that has smoked it could be driving, end up have a panic attack or flashback(side effects of that "not to bad drug" in some people) that have been known to be caused by marijuana use causing g-d knows what kind of accidents.

 

[iJon]

Very heavy fines, with similar punishments that DWI covers because of the sole fact that someone that has smoked it could be driving, end up have a panic attack or flashback that have been known to be caused by marijuana use causing g-d knows what kind of accidents.

Fair enough, but heavy fines for doing what? Would this be just for smoking in the privacy of their own homes or driving immediately after smoking?

jon

 

[maxterpiece]

Very heavy fines, with similar punishments that DWI covers because of the sole fact that someone that has smoked it could be driving,

Just like someone who is drinking alcohol could end up driving... High people are better drivers than drunk people. Both drunk people and potheads have impaired reaction times, but stoned people generally drive very slowly and drunk people drive very fast.

Anyway, with all the health risks people are talking about - carcinogens, etc. Weed isn't like cigarettes. Cigarette smokers smoke 10, 20, 40 cigarettes in one day! The average pot smoker smokes probably once a week. Let's say pot smoke is 7x worse for you. A pack a day smoker smokes 140 cigarettes in a week - that is equal to smoking marijuana 20 times a week or about 3 time s a day.

This also discounts the fact that there are vaporizers and pot brownies - you don't have to inhale any smoke with those.

Pot can be emotionally addicting (just like video games or the internet can be), but in all cases this addiction is usually a result of a person falling into depression and not a cause. Cigarettes are physically addicting and it's very easy to slip into a situation where you crave a pack a day.

As far as paranoia or other dangerous side effects go, people who smoke pot generally get a similar high each time. Some people get paranoid and some don't. Most variations in highs are a result in poor quality marijuana, something that could controlled were it legalized. The people who don't get a good high will try it a few times then realize that it doesn't work for them.

 

[applebeancult]

for everyone saying that "Pot is Bad"

In 1937 the American Medical Association opposed the prohibition of marijuana for medical purposes

http://www.pdxnorml.org/AMA_opposes_1937.html

I also found this interesting: http://www.umsl.edu/~rkeel/180/highsociety.html

 

[iEdd]

EDIT: Nevermind, I read applebeancult's post the wrong way. Not a bad article...

 

[Blue Velvet]

...someone that has smoked it could be driving, end up have a panic attack or flashback...

Flashback?

Now who's been smoking? What in god's name are you wittering about?

 

[Airforce]

Flashback?

Now who's been smoking? What in god's name are you wittering about?

One of the many side effects of that "not so bad drug" for some people.

 

[Blue Velvet]

One of the many side effects of that "not so bad drug" for some people.

Complete nonsense. According to whom?

Smoked the stuff for years on and off, never met anyone who's claimed to have a flashback of any sorts... you're talking through your hat.

 

[iJon]

Complete nonsense. According to whom?

Smoked the stuff for years on and off, never met anyone who's claimed to have a flashback of any sorts... you're talking through your hat.

You have to remember, people who do not smoke know all our side effects and how it reacts with our own bodies. I know I've never had any flashbacks and I never heard of such things from my friends. I love somehow that one rare side effect (flashbacks) somehow gets itself related to anyone who takes a hit. For example, with the link below. This kid died from drinking too much water. Should we investigate water than and be worried...of course not.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5012154

jon

 

[Airforce]

You have to remember, people who do not smoke know all our side effects and how it reacts with our own bodies. I know I've never had any flashbacks and I never heard of such things from my friends. I love somehow that one rare side effect (flashbacks) somehow gets itself related to anyone who takes a hit.
jon

Rare doesn't mean it doesn't happen So just because it hasn't happened yet to you little potheads, relax. Maybe it will in the future, maybe it won't.

 

[nightdweller25]

Flashbacks are actually a rare side-effect of LSD, not pot.

 

[Blue Velvet]

Rare doesn't mean it doesn't happen So just because it hasn't happened yet to you little potheads, relax. Maybe it will in the future, maybe it won't.

Is that all you have to offer? Snide little slurs?

Way to go to establish credibilty on a subject you clearly have no knowledge of... complete waste of space.

 

[iJon]

Rare doesn't mean it doesn't happen So just because it hasn't happened yet to you little potheads, relax. Maybe it will in the future, maybe it won't.

I know that, but I am speaking for myself. From the looks of it, I and my friends have never experienced flashbacks and it looks like BlueVelvet and probably every other marijuana user on the board could say the same.

For example, one of my best friends tried weed not to long ago. He flipped out, thought he was dying, didn't know what the hell was going on. His little brother tried it not to long ago, had the same effects, didn't know what the hell was going on. In the end, neither of these guys have any interest in trying marijuana again. Wasn't fun for them and I understand. I would say that anyone who takes an open mind to it and really looks into marijuana users can honestly say the only major effects for most people is poor memory during the duration of being high, being really hungry, and laughing more than normal. As for me, I smoke a bowl and I am usually back to normal within the hour, even faster if I ingest some food.

jon

 

[Airforce]

Is that all you have to offer? Snide little slurs?

Way to go to establish credibilty on a subject you clearly have no knowledge of... complete waste of space.

haha, yea, we can stop right here. I could care less about the older folks here arguing. Die off, as it really wouldn't impact me much.

What I do care about that someone else already mentioned, is the younger kids here. Y'all are the ones I care about. Know that this is a drug and it is bad for you. Don't listen to these "grown ups" talk about this as if it was kool-aid. It will cause you problems and can get you into trouble. It's just not worth it. Don't touch it, don't buy it, don't support it. If your friends come around offering it to you, don't smoke it. Be the better one and just tell them you'd rather not.

Don't risk your health
Don't risk your freedom
Just don't.

 

[vniow]

Don't touch it, don't buy it, don't support it. If your friends come around offering it to you, don't smoke it. Be the better one and just tell them you'd rather not.

No.

 

[Blue Velvet]

Laughable nonsense...

Just don't.

Please think of the children...

When you have credible arguments based on medical evidence, and even better, some of your own experience instead of uninformed hysterical propaganda come back now, ya hear?

 

[Electro Funk]

One of the many side effects of that "not so bad drug" for some people.

You my friend have absolutely no idea what you are talking about...

I suggest you do a little research on this subject before you try to belittle others with your "facts" that you seemed to have gotten while watching reefer madness.

I am not a child and i certainly do not promote drug use, but when i read some of your crazy comments that are completly false i just have to say something...

 

[Airforce]

Please think of the children...

When you have credible arguments based on medical evidence, and even better, some of your own experience instead of uninformed hysterical propaganda come back now, ya hear?

Uninformed hysterical propaganda? Yup, there is your average pothead lash at an attempt to stand up for his drug.

Admit it has bad side effects.

 

[vniow]

Admit it has bad side effects.

Its got good ones too.

 

[Blue Velvet]

Uninformed hysterical propaganda? Yup, there is your average pothead lash at an attempt to stand up for his drug.

Not at all... haven't smoked for over a year or so.

No, my reaction is just due to your complete ignorance which you seem to take immense pride in combined with an overly hostile attitude to others who happen to know something of the subject.

And instead of answering questions or provide anything of substance to the discussion, you label those around you as 'potheads'. You need to get a grip because you're making a fool of yourself.