sethypoo said:
Actually, I don't know anyone that I'd consider a stoner...I wouldn't really refer to my beer drinking friends as drunks either. The lot of them seem to know the difference between marijuana and tobacco, but maybe you're right.
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Actually, I don't know anyone that I'd consider a stoner...I wouldn't really refer to my beer drinking friends as drunks either. The lot of them seem to know the difference between marijuana and tobacco, but maybe you're right.
cyberddot said:
Not everyone who drinks beer gets drunk, therefore you can't call them "drunks."
However, one joint will make you high, or in pop culture terminology, "stoned." Hence, those who smoke pot are stoners.
Now, if you want to split hairs and argue how much of a joint they smoke, I'll pass.
You entire post conveys the message that you believe that marijuana is a safe drug.cyberddot said:
Is it just me, or does that read as a challenge to my assertion that we could actually have some economic growth via cannabis? [/quote]I think we could make tons of money off marijuana. But at what cost? Most researchers agree that we need more research, but this time the research we have shows that marijuana is a dangerous drug. Until the evidence proves otherwise, I find it very disturbing that anyone would advocate legalizing marijuana.
grapes911 said:
I'm not sure that my entire post conveys that, but I guess it conveys that to you. Sorry for your misunderstanding, but that wasn't stated anywhere in my post. I just found it disturbing that someone could suggest they know more about the subject than some others that were trying to provide facts as well. I tried not to suggest that I knew/know more than any of the previous posters, just that my view of the subject was different. I did use paragraphs to separate slight changes in direction...I thought that would help.
Are you in favor of making dangerous drugs illegal, or just not legalizing more dangerous drugs? Wouldn't it be consistent, and safer for us all, to make all dangerous drugs illegal? Hemp is not dangerous, but our country (the US that is), doesn't benefit economically from hemp because of the short-sighted and undereducated belief that making hemp legal will make the US an unsafe place to live.
How disturbing do you find the use of currently legal drugs like alcohol and tobacco?
Sorry for my snippiness then. I took your post the wrong way. It's sometimes tough to understand intentions when you are online because we just have text to work with.cyberddot said:
I am in favor of making tobacco illegal. If I were to make a hierarchy of dangerous drugs, tobacco and marijuana would be on the same level. Tobacco is definitely too dangerous, IMO. Marijuana is too dangerous too, but since more researchers think we need more research on the drug, I'm willing to change my mind if the studies show it is much less dangerous than we think.
Alcohol is a different subject. I don't consider it nearly as dangerous as either of the two previous listed drugs. While it can be a very devastating drug, so can caffein and I don't want to ban caffein either. I know this may sound like I'm being a hypocrite, but prohibition failed once and it probably will fail again.
Can't say I was fearing my life a year or so ago when I was in Amsterdam, and marijuana isn't the only thing condone, but they even have legal prostitutiongrapes911 said:
. Vancouver and Alaska being very similar. Both the state and city take very liberal opinions on the issues and keep them at a very low priority. Denver is another prime example, city wide legalization of a certain amount (I believe 1oz.) for citizens over 21. In my opinion this allows the police to keep busy finding real criminals with real problems and lets us users enjoy the plant who choose too. They are wanting to do the same thing for Aspen I believe too. Nevada is proposing a state wide legalization although preliminary polls are showing that it probably won't win the majority.
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Airforce said:I love this part. Lets legalize another way that people can kill themselves. Oh, but hey, it's ok. I mean, hell, it won't kill nearly as many people as smoking tobacco or alcohol!
You tell this to Amsterdam, and other areas around the world, and they'll call you ignorant. Or any other country that allows "minors" access to alcohol. How would legalizing pot cause more deaths than it already is, or isn't...
? If we legalized all drugs, are you goin to go get some PCP and start driving? Probably not. With enough knowledge in our country, we can educate, and treat drug abusers, not spread fear and propaganda, and from the posts i've seen on this forum, have clearly got some people.iJon said:
Trouble is, it doesn't make any difference if a state passes legislation to decriminalize pot. MJ is still a Schedule 1 controlled substance under the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act. And, as we all know, federal law trumps state law when they are at odds.
True, but how many FBI agents do you think are going to go out to Denver and look for some pot smokers. The important thing is that local police are not worrying about it, and they are usually where a marijuana users legal problems are.aquajet said:
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SamIchi said:How would legalizing pot cause more deaths than it already is, or isn't...
Uh....that wasn't what I said, but since you've hit on it: Making a source of product more available means more people are going to have their hands on it. With more people messing with it, more problems that the specific drug causes will arise. Bingo, more deaths
What's this fear and propaganda that you are talking about? The people of DARE and other such programs telling the kids that use of street drugs are bad and smoking can cause cancer? FEAR THE TRUTH! because that is what it is.
No matter how dangerous or safe you'd like to think it is:
1) You are inhaling smoke, and my instincts would tell me that is bad.
2) "Pot" is a silly term. Why not "saucepan"?
reality
1) You are inhaling smoke, and my instincts would tell me that is bad.
2) "Pot" is a silly term. Why not "saucepan"?
reality
Airforce said:Uh....that wasn't what I said, but since you've hit on it: Making a source of product more available means more people are going to have their hands on it. With more people messing with it, more problems that the specific drug causes will arise. Bingo, more deaths
The people that want it already have access to it, and the people that don't have access, probably won't bother with it. Just cause a drug may be legalized doens't mean people are goin to do it. I know plenty of people that choose not to use, even though they have access. It's not a product like soda where people just "try" it, it's a personal choice, like alcohol.
Airforce said:
Umm I dunno, maybe all those commercials showing that marijuana makes you shoot yourself with a gun for no reason. yea.... and there's plenty of other things.
SamIchi said:
With this same thought process, there are exactly the same amount of cigarette smokers right now as there would be if it was illegal. You're saying that if weed were legalized, after all the advertisements that the companies would put out, the promoting, the targeting, ect. that the amount of people using now would not increase because they already have access to it now? Come on now
Weed has never made you want to do something stupid? I could see the one where they are riding in the car and hit the little girl as a big possibility.
Airforce said:With this same thought process, there are exactly the same amount of cigarette smokers right now as there would be if it was illegal. You're saying that if weed were legalized, after all the advertisements that the companies would put out, the promoting, the targeting, ect. that the amount of people using now would not increase because they already have access to it now? Come on now
As observed after the decriminalization of cannabis in the Netherlands, overall usage increased on the short term ("Hey it's legal! Let's go get stoned!") and then decreased steadily until becoming lower than it was before cannabis was decriminalized. With the element of 'doing something wrong' removed, usage declines, especially among younger people.
In the majority of cases, people who smoke weed just want to sit where they are and chill. Hard drugs (heroin, cocaine, pcp, meth, ecstasy etc), some prescriptions (don't know the names), and some over the counter drugs (cough syrup derivatives, pseudo-ephedrine derivatives, dramamine etc) can make you lose control and do crazy ****. THAT is f***ed up, and THAT is what should be focused on. A bunch of stoners sitting on the couch eating fritos all afternoon, or someone on PCPs who has no sense of self, no pain recognition and the feeling of invulnerability.....which would you rather have?
Airforce said:With this same thought process, there are exactly the same amount of cigarette smokers right now as there would be if it was illegal. You're saying that if weed were legalized, after all the advertisements that the companies would put out, the promoting, the targeting, ect. that the amount of people using now would not increase because they already have access to it now? Come on now
Well if America was smart enough, they could use it to their advantage by making it a controlled the substance, and reap other benefits.
Airforce said:
Yea, weed has almost made me want to shoot myself in the head with a gun.
When's the last time that you've heard or read about an accident solely due to marijuana use?[EDIT]
I would also like to add that cigarettes are made to have a highly addictive nature to them compared to marijuana. I know many cannabis users, and being addicted to it is definitely not an attribute. To some yes, and to some no.
SamIchi said:
Nothing is free. Along with support, comes problems. I personally don't think it's worth the monetary value that would be added to our economy, but then again, I'm not all about money like some folks. I'd rather have a healthy society than a rich one.
Yea, weed has almost made me want to shoot myself in the head with a gun.
I said has weed made you want to do something stupid? It affects people differently. Just because you haven't wanted to shoot yourself in the head doesn't mean someone else hasn't thought how cool it would be to jump off a building while high.
Airforce said:
A healthy society would include addressing the drug abuse problems in this country, and how to attack them. Best way to "cure" or better a heavy drug user is not to make the drug obselete from their lives. They have grown dependent on it.
I don't know the exact reprecussions or benefits that may come from legalizing, but I know there have been better set examples such as Canada, and the Netherlands, that have shown that tryin to completely made drugs illegal is just a big waste of money.
Airforce said:
I'm not goin to comment on that, you don't know the effects of marijuana, you've only read about them. Maybe you've witnessed some in action, and I would say, they were probably no where near jumping off a high building.
Or maybe you're grouping this drug with another drug.
Hmm... stupidest thing I've done while high? Probably make stupid comments. I would hardly call that dangerous.
I'd love to keep this conversation goin' but I gotta get back to work.