So technically if MBP relied on Skylake and released by the end of 2016, it will be old before it hits the market!
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So technically if MBP relied on Skylake and released by the end of 2016, it will be old before it hits the market!
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Well, it will be old, but at least less "ancient" than the one they are selling right now...! And, to add some more thoughts, it would be nice if Apple will lower the price for the 15". I mean, when the retina MBP cames out, you had the choice to but a the "normal" MBP 15" or the then-new top of the line with marvellous retina screen. But this was 4 years ago; now Apple can't sell the 15 retina screen MBP at this price. In US now with discrete graphic card it cost US$ 2499, and in Italy € 2849 (almost US$ 3205!). And with a 4 years old CPU....
Tim Cook is clueless and irresponsible and the fools on the boards are his enablers. He left the mac line so freaking outdated and all the products are still so expensive. It has been years since the last hardware update, that's crazy.
WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT IPHONE, IPADS, WATCHES AND CARS.
WE WANT UPDATED DESKTOPS AND LAPTOPS and a great MACOS.
WE WANT A MAC LINE THAT IS CONSISTENT.
This product line is obsolete and inconsistent. The macbook has retina but it is slow and has one port. The air is ok but not retina. The macbook pro is a nasty BRICK. The Mac Pro should be updated immediately after 3 FREAKING YEARS and should be much bigger so we can store drives in it. The mac mini has SOLDERED RAM and only 2 cores ? really ? Tim Cook YOU ARE AN IDIOT. Add more cores instead of removing them, like a mac mini with 8 cores or 16 cores and create a system where the HDs are ejectable and ram easily replaceable.
Why remove MAGSAFE ? Tim you are a pinhead
Steve left in the hand of a FOOL an amazing company like Apple and Tim destroyed it!
Please Carl Icann, come back and fire Tim and all the members of the boards, like you did with all your other companies.
At this point even me could run apple better then these fools.
WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT IPHONE, IPADS, WATCHES AND CARS.
WE WANT UPDATED DESKTOPS AND LAPTOPS and a great MACOS.
WE WANT A MAC LINE THAT IS CONSISTENT.
This product line is obsolete and inconsistent. The macbook has retina but it is slow and has one port. The air is ok but not retina. The macbook pro is a nasty BRICK. The Mac Pro should be updated immediately after 3 FREAKING YEARS and should be much bigger so we can store drives in it. The mac mini has SOLDERED RAM and only 2 cores ? really ? Tim Cook YOU ARE AN IDIOT. Add more cores instead of removing them, like a mac mini with 8 cores or 16 cores and create a system where the HDs are ejectable and ram easily replaceable.
Why remove MAGSAFE ? Tim you are a pinhead
Steve left in the hand of a FOOL an amazing company like Apple and Tim destroyed it!
Please Carl Icann, come back and fire Tim and all the members of the boards, like you did with all your other companies.
At this point even me could run apple better then these fools.
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Not only do they have underpowered specs for overpriced hardware, they keep you completely clueless about their updates, it could be next month or it could be in 3 years. Who knows!?
So you can always feel scared to pay that $1500+ for new Mac that an brand new design is being released next week.
So you can always feel scared to pay that $1500+ for new Mac that an brand new design is being released next week.
Sad that one is forced to work around deficiencies that should be built into the device. Reliance on third party apps, for something so important, always leaves one open for disaster, if the app goes away.
Apple has truly dropped the ball, when it comes to this.
People are crying out loud that Apple has failed and betrayed them and doesn't update regularly. Ok, Mac mini is a big fail, but even it might suffer the same thing I'm going to explain here.
The only real matter were Apple has failed is to communicate with us. They should be humble like Steve was in front of the audience in the early 2000. (Just look at those event videos, Steve is apologizing that they haven't updated their Macs as frequently as they should have.) This is their main sin. No communication.
Here are some facts and some assumption what might have happened.
You see, AMD was supposed to release TSMC 20nm GPUs late 2014/early 2015. But the 20nm process failed, and the whole 20nm GPU line was cancelled. Apple had to cancel Mac Pro 2015 and they were forced to update rMBP 15" with M370 instead of something they wanted. They were planning to release 5k monitor as standalone, but there was no GPU going to drive it without Apple creating a new connector or cable that needs two TB2's'. USB-c and DP 1.3 specs were out already, but no GPU to drive it. And Intel was way late with Thunderbolt 3 and Skylake. So instead Apple had to make iMac 5k with custom chip to drive the display trough DP 1.2 MST.
Same time Intel's roadmap failed big time as well. Broadwell was late more than six months (Xeon-EP is late nearly one year) and it proved to be hotter than expected at 45W mobile category (At the end, Intel gave it 47W TDP) without any real speed benefit. So Apple couldn't put it with the also hot M370 to rMBP 15". 13" rMBP got finally its Broadwell, but way late.. and it wasn't the screamer everybody had hoped.
Intel announced Skylake Iris Pro 580 last January this year, but they still struggle to deliver it. Iris 550 is also to be announced. These chips are late and the reason we don't have redesigned rMPB 13" an 15" out yet. Apple was going to discontinue Macbook Air early this year, but because they couldn't deliver the new Pro 13, Air is still here. With the old Pro.
Because AMD failed to deliver, Apple didn't see it worthwhile to release just a Haswell update for Mac Pro. It delivers +7% increase to CPU performance with 7% heat increase and Apple didn't have any new options for GPU's (because Nvidia is played out now and AMD failed). So, no MP update. And Intel and AMD charge the same for their components, so Apple didn't feel lowering the price point either. Because they are not discontinuing the Pro, nor going to lower its price point.
Intel just released (a week or two ago) Broadwell-EP 1600-series Xeons. When they're able to deliver them to Apple is not known. Also, AMD just released Polaris 10 and 11, that are perfect chips for next gen Macs. Apple has waited these chips more than a year, thanks to the failed 20nm process. Also mobile and desktop CPU's with Iris Pro 580 should be out in any day and Iris 550 very soon.
I predict that there's going to be an immediate release of new Macs when all these components are available:
- new retina Macbook Pro 13" or 14" with Iris Pro 550
- new retina Macbook Pro 15" or 16" with Iris Pro 580 or Polaris 11 dGPU.
- updated Mac Pro with Broadwell-EP and Polaris 10 Pro and XT
- new external display with HDR 10-bit panel and DP 1.3/1.4 through usb-c
- Macbook Air says bye bye, because next 13-14" Pro is not far from that form factor
- new retina iMac 21.5" and 27" 5k (basic model) with Iris Pro 580
- updated 27" 5k retina iMac with Polaris 10. My guess is that Apple renames it iMac Pro and it comes with 10bit HDR panel. Space gray, anyone?
For Mac mini, I suppose it'll be new, redesigned product, but don't want to guess more.. I have no clue, except Apples' obsession it to be MINI
The only real matter were Apple has failed is to communicate with us. They should be humble like Steve was in front of the audience in the early 2000. (Just look at those event videos, Steve is apologizing that they haven't updated their Macs as frequently as they should have.) This is their main sin. No communication.
Here are some facts and some assumption what might have happened.
You see, AMD was supposed to release TSMC 20nm GPUs late 2014/early 2015. But the 20nm process failed, and the whole 20nm GPU line was cancelled. Apple had to cancel Mac Pro 2015 and they were forced to update rMBP 15" with M370 instead of something they wanted. They were planning to release 5k monitor as standalone, but there was no GPU going to drive it without Apple creating a new connector or cable that needs two TB2's'. USB-c and DP 1.3 specs were out already, but no GPU to drive it. And Intel was way late with Thunderbolt 3 and Skylake. So instead Apple had to make iMac 5k with custom chip to drive the display trough DP 1.2 MST.
Same time Intel's roadmap failed big time as well. Broadwell was late more than six months (Xeon-EP is late nearly one year) and it proved to be hotter than expected at 45W mobile category (At the end, Intel gave it 47W TDP) without any real speed benefit. So Apple couldn't put it with the also hot M370 to rMBP 15". 13" rMBP got finally its Broadwell, but way late.. and it wasn't the screamer everybody had hoped.
Intel announced Skylake Iris Pro 580 last January this year, but they still struggle to deliver it. Iris 550 is also to be announced. These chips are late and the reason we don't have redesigned rMPB 13" an 15" out yet. Apple was going to discontinue Macbook Air early this year, but because they couldn't deliver the new Pro 13, Air is still here. With the old Pro.
Because AMD failed to deliver, Apple didn't see it worthwhile to release just a Haswell update for Mac Pro. It delivers +7% increase to CPU performance with 7% heat increase and Apple didn't have any new options for GPU's (because Nvidia is played out now and AMD failed). So, no MP update. And Intel and AMD charge the same for their components, so Apple didn't feel lowering the price point either. Because they are not discontinuing the Pro, nor going to lower its price point.
Intel just released (a week or two ago) Broadwell-EP 1600-series Xeons. When they're able to deliver them to Apple is not known. Also, AMD just released Polaris 10 and 11, that are perfect chips for next gen Macs. Apple has waited these chips more than a year, thanks to the failed 20nm process. Also mobile and desktop CPU's with Iris Pro 580 should be out in any day and Iris 550 very soon.
I predict that there's going to be an immediate release of new Macs when all these components are available:
- new retina Macbook Pro 13" or 14" with Iris Pro 550
- new retina Macbook Pro 15" or 16" with Iris Pro 580 or Polaris 11 dGPU.
- updated Mac Pro with Broadwell-EP and Polaris 10 Pro and XT
- new external display with HDR 10-bit panel and DP 1.3/1.4 through usb-c
- Macbook Air says bye bye, because next 13-14" Pro is not far from that form factor
- new retina iMac 21.5" and 27" 5k (basic model) with Iris Pro 580
- updated 27" 5k retina iMac with Polaris 10. My guess is that Apple renames it iMac Pro and it comes with 10bit HDR panel. Space gray, anyone?
For Mac mini, I suppose it'll be new, redesigned product, but don't want to guess more.. I have no clue, except Apples' obsession it to be MINI
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The smartest thing any self-respecting Mac user can do right now is to stop using Apple products and services. I've been using and evangelizing Macs since 1988, and I've never been this disgusted with Apple in my life. They've been milking the Mac for years, and now they're starting to milk the iPhone. Electric cars are the next great thing.
I can tell you I'm not buying the next iPhone. Can't believe how much time it takes to update the bloody Macbook Pro
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For the all the flack given to Intel and AMD for being late at shipping new stuff, yes they were late but the chips are available now and all other computer manufacturers have been using them for months now.
There is no reason Apple cannot update Macs, if nothing happens it's because they chose to delay it to focus on other things (rose gold updates and wrist bands) and/or because Macs are not Apple's priority anymore.
The trouble with that is timing; notebook-class Kaby Lake chips are not planned to ship before winter/spring 2017 - the current Macbook Pro line will be 2 years old if Apple doesn't slap Skylake chips in there before that.
For the all the flack given to Intel and AMD for being late at shipping new stuff, yes they were late but the chips are available now and all other computer manufacturers have been using them for months now.
There is no reason Apple cannot update Macs, if nothing happens it's because they chose to delay it to focus on other things (rose gold updates and wrist bands) and/or because Macs are not Apple's priority anymore.
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That's true of the Mac Pro and maybe the Mini (even the rMBP makes it look like poor value) and the Thunderbolt display is clearly a dead duck, but everything else got upgraded during the course of last year.
Because USB-C offers an industry standard single cable for charge, display, storage & other peripherals. Third party displays will be able to charge your MacBook. If USB-C takes off (and it should) third party adapters will be able to 'daisy-chain' power from your Apple charger. You'll be able to travel with one charger that will charge your phone and laptop. Those are advantages that may actually outweigh the advantage of MagSafe. That said - one port is not enough.
I agree with those points (I've made some of them myself in the past) - some of this is Intel's fault. Apple can't build systems around chips that aren't available.
However... maybe, just maybe, they could try designing attractive systems around the chips that are available?
Dell seem to have done it with the XPS 13 and 15 systems. OK the 13" Dell doesn't have Iris/Iris Pro graphics, but not everybody needs that - the 15" comes with a discrete GPU, while Microsoft have managed to squeeze a discrete GPU into the 13" SurfaceBook. So, they won't have such good performance in "power saving mode" but at least they exist.
Are Apple letting the perfect be the enemy of the good? (or the excuse of the distracted?)
Totally agree that if they have grand plans that need to wait for Kaby Lake or whatever, they should share them - and maybe risk a short-term "Osbourne effect" hitting sales of current models rather than long-term loss of customers (on the other hand, some people are holding off buying simply because there might be an upgrade next week - and might buy now if they knew it was going to be six months before an update). Osbourne was decades ago, when new models were twice as powerful than their last.
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Except Thunderbolt 3 won't do DP 1.3 - only 5k as two "virtual" DP1.2 connections. Now, what would be interesting is to look at more efficient ways of getting display data to a display than sending 60 full frames every second - there are some 'adaptive sync' systems like FreeSync already around. The idea of having the GPU in the display sounds interesting.
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/change-the-game-with-nuc.html - except not so ugly and without the external power brick?
TB3 maybe not, USB-c maybe yes. =) Because those two are not the same thing.
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I suppose Apple didn't have plan B. Old chips were too hot for the new design.. or something else is not compatible with their design.
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Mobile Skylakes are still late (for MBP) and Polaris is not available anywhere yet. NDA is about to end on 29th of June. After that, maybe. Depending on the availability. Broadwell-EP 1600 series, limited availability, but slowly starting to arrive to the dealers. But everything else is still delayed by the factory.
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None of this is true.
There is far more demand for iPhone/iPad and Watch than Macs. Why on earth would any business focus on a product line that will only ever offer very moderate growth over those that have proven to offer the potential for huge growth, as iPhone and iPad both have in the past, or new markets like wearables that offer plenty of potential for growth.
You think Carl Ichan would disagree?
No investor would want Apple to make the Mac a primary focus.
I wish I didn't agree with this statement because I think they [Apple] is about to backpedal on a lot of stuff. I think sometime in the not so distant future, OS X and iOS will merge. I think it will be more or less like Windows 10 where there's desktop mode and tablet mode. A friend of mine suggested that in the future everything will be in the cloud, including apps, and that is a future I am afraid of. If Apple really does go in that direction, I will just use Linux because the way Windows is going in is just as terrible. I hope Apple gets rid of Timmy C beforehand though, maybe Apple can be saved. But am I the only one that doesn't like nor wants to embrace the cloud?
Im with You. Only difference being, i might give Win another shot (it's not as bad as it used to be). Plus similary speced PC's are way cheaper than Macs.
I think there's a lack of clear nomenclature vs "USB-C the standard" and "USB-C the actual hole the side of your actual computer":
Thunderbolt 3 (the protocol) can provide a "virtual" DisplayPort 1.2 connection between a computer and a Thunderbolt device, but doesn't support DP 1.3 (possibly because none of Intel's GPUs can provide it and Intel doesn't give a wet slap about AMD or NVIDIA).
USB-C (the standard) supports USB 2/3/3.1 and DisplayPort alternate mode, which includes DisplayPort 1.3 and Thunderbolt 3 alternate mode.
USB-C (the actual hole in your actual computer) supports some permutation of USB 2/3/3.1, Thunderbolt 3 alternate mode and DisplayPort alternate mode depending on the hardware in the computer. However, the only way it supports Thunderbolt 3 is if the port is being driven by Intel's Thunderbolt 3/USB-C controller. I've seen no indication that the Intel controller can support DP1.3 even in DP alternate mode with a DP1.3 capable discrete GPU.
(Also, ISTR that running a 5k display over a USB-C/DP1.3 connection assigns all the USB-C high speed lanes to DisplayPort and only leaves the low-speed USB2 lane for data - so no using your display as a hub for anything more demanding than mouse, keyboard and sound)
At this stage I expect to see a Kaby Lake device in a Microsoft SurfaceBook -type form factor.
We need a 14" and a 16" model.
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Dual core (quad core hyperthreaded) is all that's needed. This is a low power device. Not a number cruncher.
It may be that the 14" will come out first with the 16" quad core available in Q1 2017.
If any company can get their chips early it's Apple. They'll want their hands on them before anyone else can.
Dell have had a low build quality Skylake on the market since 2015.
Apple need this chip. I have a very good feeling that they'll be pushing the form factor too. I have a feeling that the MacBook may be the last "laptop" that Apple ever make!
We need a 14" and a 16" model.
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Dual core (quad core hyperthreaded) is all that's needed. This is a low power device. Not a number cruncher.
It may be that the 14" will come out first with the 16" quad core available in Q1 2017.
If any company can get their chips early it's Apple. They'll want their hands on them before anyone else can.
Dell have had a low build quality Skylake on the market since 2015.
Apple need this chip. I have a very good feeling that they'll be pushing the form factor too. I have a feeling that the MacBook may be the last "laptop" that Apple ever make!
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You have to buy a monitor either way. Whether it's called a thunderbolt dislpay or an iMac, people will buy the amount of screens that they need. It wouldn't reduce the number of screens purchased in any way. Apple would make MORE money.
Edit: After more thought, I suppose there are scenarios where someone wanted a mac mini and a monitor that would add up to more than just an iMac, which would be the obvious replacement. There also might be people considering the mac pro that give the iMac a shot before purchasing the entire rig. Other than those two scenarios, it's a purchase of a monitor at the price of a computer (or vise versa depending on how you view the value of a 5k screen today).
Its not a case of "allowing" it to be used as a display - its a case of whether that was even possible.
- you can't do 5k with a single display port 1.2/TB2 cable
- I don't know that Thunderbolt allows you to hook two Thunderbolt cables between machines, let alone to use them both for DisplayPort (which the controller has to decode and send to the display). How many DisplayPort outputs does the controller have?
- In the 5k iMacs use a custom connection & a custom timing chip on the display panel to support 5k. So even if you live without 5k in TDM it may not be possible to feed even a single DP signal direct from the TB controller to the panel.
I really don't claim to know the details of this - but I see lots of grounds for questioning your assumption that target display mode on the 5k iMac would have been straightforward and Apple were just being mean.
That might very well be the case, but until they're ready to move to their own A-Series CPUs, Apple is dependent on Intel and Intel's release schedule is only going to get longer as they move to their new plan of longer development cycles.
What about routeing pci-e over 2 TB links can the system / switch as long as they are pluged into 2 TB buses beenig feed 2 X4 pci-e links combine that so you can get X8 pci-e on the other side?
Right now pci-e 2.0 X4 and you have to take some off for TB overhead / any other usage on the TB bus. Is low for an gpu. 3.0 is better but the mac pro does not have the cpu pci-e lanes to give TB 3.0 lanes. It even looks like apple planed to have 2 storage ports but that was cut down to 1 due to lack of pci-e. Now if in the mac pro they cut the gpu's down to x8 x8 then that frees up some room for storage and pci-e 3.0 to TB + even getting a help from (DMI 3.0 needs a new cpu)
on the non mac pro systems with skylake they will have DMI 3.0 + pci-e X16 3.0 to work with. So they can have dual TB 3.0 taking X8 and then X8 for a video card / chip or X8 for storage / usb / other.
Now a mac pro with dual cpu gives you a lot of pci-e to work with.