Has anyone noticed a Severe SLOW DOWN since

[mavis]

But it isn't even jailbreak apps. It's ANY app.

Wrong. I'm comparing a vanilla 2.1 install with 25 App Store apps installed to a jailbroken 2.1 with the same 25 App Store apps and the jailbroken phone is consistently slower than with vanilla 2.1. Again, that only difference is that WinterBoard is installed on the jailbroken phone, in addition to the 25 App Store apps.

As with anything, you gotta sacrifice something, and in this case, the so-called lag referred to with regard to jailbroken phones is so negligible and is exactly like having a bunch of AppStore apps installed that i really don't see the problem other than maybe forgetting about apps altogether and just using it with what it came with.

I guess it's just a matter of opinion, but having to wait anywhere from two to five seconds longer to open apps (including SMS, Photos, Settings, etc) is a pretty big deal to me. The delays add up, and IMO are annoying enough to justify losing the 'cool' factor and fun of customization. I've been jailbreaking since 1.1.1 and have several custom themes (I've made dozens of custom icons, wallpapers, status bars and dock) so that stuff is really important to me - but having a responsive UI is important, too.

 

[jcde7ago]

Wrong. I'm comparing a vanilla 2.1 install with 25 App Store apps installed to a jailbroken 2.1 with the same 25 App Store apps and the jailbroken phone is consistently slower than with vanilla 2.1. Again, that only difference is that WinterBoard is installed on the jailbroken phone, in addition to the 25 App Store apps.

I guess it's just a matter of opinion, but having to wait anywhere from two to five seconds longer to open apps (including SMS, Photos, Settings, etc) is a pretty big deal to me. The delays add up, and IMO are annoying enough to justify losing the 'cool' factor and fun of customization. I've been jailbreaking since 1.1.1 and have several custom themes (I've made dozens of custom icons, wallpapers, status bars and dock) so that stuff is really important to me - but having a responsive UI is important, too.

I suppose we can agree to disagree, and i'll just continue to be thankful that i personally haven't experienced any kind of lag whatsoever on my jailbroken 2.1

 

[mcmacmike]

Here is a picture of just some of the apps I have installed. The Apps, Games, and Multimedia folders have 15, 16, and 9 apps in each respectively.

Hey what theme are you using? And where can I get it? I like the look of the icons and dock.

 

[NT1440]

only difference is that WinterBoard is installed

oh really. So i assume you just ssh'd winterboard on there?

 

[STC]

oh really. So i assume you just ssh'd winterboard on there?

Ok, you know what he means.

On my jailbroken 2.1, the only app I dl'd from Cydia was Winterboard. All I had was Cydia and Winterboard. Winterboard is the culprut and the cause of some of the lags. All my lags are gone now (after restore) except for the SMS hich is still there, but a lot better.

Why cant Apple make 2.1 like 1.1.4. 1.1.4 has 0 issues.

 

[cal6n]

Wrong. I'm comparing a vanilla 2.1 install with 25 App Store apps installed to a jailbroken 2.1 with the same 25 App Store apps and the jailbroken phone is consistently slower than with vanilla 2.1. Again, that only difference is that WinterBoard is installed on the jailbroken phone, in addition to the 25 App Store apps.

*snip*

It's the same in my case. I have loads of App store apps. No problems with them on a vanilla 2.1. There is something different happening once the phone is jailbroken, though.

I suppose we can agree to disagree, and i'll just continue to be thankful that i personally haven't experienced any kind of lag whatsoever on my jailbroken 2.1

Whatever.

Considering that, since the App store opened, I've only been jailbreaking in order to theme my phone. It's really not worth it anymore. Function trumps form for me.

 

[jcde7ago]

It's the same in my case. I have loads of App store apps. No problems with them on a vanilla 2.1. There is something different happening once the phone is jailbroken, though.



Whatever.

Considering that, since the App store opened, I've only been jailbreaking in order to theme my phone. It's really not worth it anymore. Function trumps form for me.

Really? No problems with AppStore apps on a vanilla 2.1 phone? That's odd, cause iam having no problems with my AppStore apps on my jailbroken 2.1 either. That's what i get EXTREMELY tired of hearing though. Sure, function trumps form...fortunately, i don't have to worry about the function of my phone, since it isn't any more or less stable than it was before i jailbroke it. It amazes me the extent of problems that people claim that jailbreaking does, when half of the people that do it don't even really know how the process works and what things like Winterboard actually do to your phone. I haven't had any issues that i didn't have before i jailbroke. And you're right, it's a matter of preference, if you don't think there's any advantages to jailbreaking then go back to stock and be done with it...but don't continue to blame certain things and act like it's FACT when there are people like me who haven't run into any problems whatsoever with those certain apps installed. So...whatever.

 

[wreckshop]

It amazes me the extent of problems that people claim that jailbreaking does, when half of the people that do it don't even really know how the process works and what things like Winterboard actually do to your phone.

Dude get over yourself. Just because you can't notice the lag doesn't mean the rest of us don't. You're like those people who swear up and down that no one can see anything higher than 30fps, when in fact it is very noticeable.

You act like you know everything about winterboard, but you don't. If all winterboard does is replace icons, and doesnt run in the background, explain why it can crash?

 

[NT1440]

You act like you know everything about winterboard, but you don't. If all winterboard does is replace icons, and doesnt run in the background, explain why it can crash?

....for the same reason springboard (the name of the unmodified desktop screen) can crash?

 

[jcde7ago]

....for the same reason springboard (the name of the unmodified desktop screen) can crash?

Exactly. And i've had neither crash on me, as far as i know.

I need to get over myself? Good God. I simply said i am not having any problems. And when i say probably more than half of the people that jailbreak don't really know how these processes work, it's true. Ever see the 5 billion threads about how to do this or that after people somehow managed to jailbreak? If you experienced substantial lag, there is no going around that...it sucks. Go back to stock, and be done with it. All i am saying is it is NOT FACT THAT EVERY JAILBROKEN PHONE RUNNING WINTERBOARD WILL LAG. Even if I was the only person on this friggin' planet whose phone DID NOT lag after being jailbroken, it still would completely go against the notion that jailbreak/winterboard lags, thus NULLIFYING that theory.

My advice is, if you experience lag because you jailbroke, installed winterboard or whatever and it lagged, fine. Revert back to stock, and go along your merry way. If you jailbroke, installed apps, have winterboard and you are experiencing no problems WHATSOEVER, which is my case, then fine too, stick with the jailbreak. There isn't anything to argue about it. Neither side is right or wrong, it's all individual perception. And perception = reality, so this whole argument is ridiculous. Stick to whatever floats your boat.

 

[wreckshop]

....for the same reason springboard (the name of the unmodified desktop screen) can crash?

Great we're in agreement that winterboard is an app that is resident in memory, which is causing lag.

 

[NT1440]

Exactly. And I need to get over myself? Good God. I simply said i am not having any problems. And when i say probably more than half of the people that jailbreak don't really know how these processes work, it's true. Ever see the 5 billion threads about how to do this or that after people somehow managed to jailbreak? If you experienced substantial lag, there is no going around that...it sucks. Go back to stock, and be done with it. All i am saying is it is NOT FACT THAT EVERY JAILBROKEN PHONE RUNNING WINTERBOARD WILL LAG. Even if I was the only person on this friggin' planet whose phone DID NOT lag after being jailbroken, it still would completely go against the notion that jailbreak/winterboard lags, thus NULLIFYING that theory.

My advice is, if you experience lag because you jailbroke, installed winterboard or whatever and it lagged, fine. Revert back to stock, and go along your merry way. If you jailbroke, installed apps, have winterboard and you are experiencing no problems WHATSOEVER, which is my case, then fine too, stick with the jailbreak. There isn't anything to argue about it. Neither side is right or wrong, it's all individual perception. And perception = reality, so this whole argument is ridiculous. Stick to whatever floats your boat.

whoa, sorry to interupt your little rant there buddy, but if your gonna get set off on "get over yourself" id appreciate you quoted the person that said it to you

 

[NT1440]

Great we're in agreement that winterboard is an app that is resident in memory, which is causing lag.

correct. My statement has been that JAILBREAKING does not cause lag, only apps may cause lag.

 

[jcde7ago]

whoa, sorry to interupt your little rant there buddy, but if your gonna get set off on "get over yourself" id appreciate you quoted the person that said it to you

Wasn't aimed at you, i simply couldn't multi-quote, lol

 

[NT1440]

Wasn't aimed at you, i simply couldn't multi-quote, lol

fair enough.

 

[ntrigue]

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Well, I hate to be the one to say this, but you guys are just plain wrong.

Two times I've tried jailbreaking 2.1 - once with PwnageTool and once with QuickPwn. Both times I installed only one 'un-official' app: WinterBoard. Both times I immediately noticed substantial slowdowns opening almost every app - SMS, Photos, Mail, Safari, you name it. SLOW. I didn't have battery issues, but there was DEFINITELY slow down.

Just my observations. I think WinterBoard is a great app, but it clearly needs some tweaking. It caused noticeable, substantial slow downs for me both times I tried jailbreaking.

It IS Winterboard. When connected to the iPhone Configuration Utility every time you make a change it draws from Winterboard. That combined with Installer.app is the culprit.

 

[mavis]

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Great we're in agreement that winterboard is an app that is resident in memory, which is causing lag.

correct. My statement has been that JAILBREAKING does not cause lag, only apps may cause lag.

But what's the point of jailbreaking if basic/essential apps are the ones that cause problems?

 

[NT1440]

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But what's the point of jailbreaking if basic/essential apps are the ones that cause problems?

the thing is they dont always cause problems. Jailbreaking (the process) isnt always perfect, its hacking, things go wrong. But the majority of the time they work. Most jailbreakers dont experience problems. (i was a member of a jailbreaking community)

 

[ntrigue]

After experimenting I will assert:

- that PwnageTool with Cydia ONLY does not cause problems.
- that five pages of AppStore apps and one page of Cydia apps does not slow the scrolling motion?!
- that Winterboard ABSOLUTELY slows the iPhone performance. It appears that changing Icons is a miniscule slowdown; however, video wallpaper and changing taskbars and iPod pop-up DOES cause noticeable issues.

I have at my disposal, a Pwned 3G with Cydia/Winterboard, a Pwned 1G with Cydia, and a Vanilla 2.1 3G - I would be pleased to perform any side-by-side tests you request .

 

[NT1440]

did anyone think that a video backround WOULDNT cause a slowdown?

 

[mavis]

did anyone think that a video backround WOULDNT cause a slowdown?

Yeah, I think that's common sense. I would NEVER use a video background because I don't think the iPhone can handle it - it's already scraping by with a ridiculously low amount of RAM, and video wallpaper is the last thing it needs. My theme didn't have anything fancy like that. It consisted of icons, a dock, a taskbar, and custom sliders. No background weather overlays, no rotating wallpapers, nothing fancy. Just a basic theme. And still, I experienced immediate, noticeable slowdown on TWO jailbreaks. Now that I'm running vanilla 2.1 (yet again) with 25 App Store apps installed (including two or three 100MB+ apps) everything is back to normal - nice and responsive. The difference is easily noticeable, and IMHO outweighs BY FAR the 'cool factor' of being able to customize the phone.

So I'll say again: while jailbreaking in itself may not cause slowdowns, what's the point of jailbreaking in the first place if basic/essential apps cause problems?

 

[wreckshop]

Even if I was the only person on this friggin' planet whose phone DID NOT lag after being jailbroken, it still would completely go against the notion that jailbreak/winterboard lags, thus NULLIFYING that theory.

That's why you need to get over yourself. If everyone except you notices that winterboard is causing lag, YOU need to check your eyes instead of telling the rest of us there isn't a problem. Just because you think you understand the jailbreak process doesnt mean the rest of us aren't qualified to notice lag. Installing winterboard isn't rocket science.

 

[jcde7ago]

That's why you need to get over yourself. If everyone except you notices that winterboard is causing lag, YOU need to check your eyes instead of telling the rest of us there isn't a problem. Just because you think you understand the jailbreak process doesnt mean the rest of us aren't qualified to notice lag. Installing winterboard isn't rocket science.

Sure, dude. Whatever you say.

 

[ntrigue]

 

[mavis]

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That's why you need to get over yourself. If everyone except you notices that winterboard is causing lag, YOU need to check your eyes instead of telling the rest of us there isn't a problem. Just because you think you understand the jailbreak process doesnt mean the rest of us aren't qualified to notice lag. Installing winterboard isn't rocket science.

Sure, dude. Whatever you say.

He's got a point, no matter how blunt the presentation.