It's also noticeable just with new icons, a 12 kB dock with transparency and a 60 kB still image.
I wonder if the transparency could be contributing to the problem.
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It's also noticeable just with new icons, a 12 kB dock with transparency and a 60 kB still image.
I wonder if the transparency could be contributing to the problem.
Sorry, but you're not helping anymore. I stopped reading after the first few words.
Honestly, it doesn't matter to me, but i appreciate that you took the time to actually edit what i said and replace it with your own words, but claim that you stopped reading after the first few words. But i digress...
In the end, folks, do what's right for you, do what makes you happy. If you like the jailbreak and can deal with, from MY experience anyways, dang near negligible lag (definitely not SEVERE like this topic title by any means), fine. Will this lag vary? Of course. If you like the seemingly smoother performance that staying stock brings, that's fine too. It's really irrelevant at this point to try to convince each other how we perceive our personal experiences with our own phones, as there are positives and negatives to both. So...to each his own, as long as it makes everyone happy.
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This seems to be a trend. I think it's great that some people are either oblivious to the slowdown or have magical iPhones that are amazingly unaffected, but the rest of us are all experiencing the same thing.
It's a real shame too, as WinterBoard and themes are the ONLY reason I want to jailbreak.
iSaga said:
This seems to be a trend. I think it's great that some people are either oblivious to the slowdown or have magical iPhones that are amazingly unaffected, but the rest of us are all experiencing the same thing.
It's a real shame too, as WinterBoard and themes are the ONLY reason I want to jailbreak.
I didn't read this whole post, but yes, winterboard definitely causes some slow down on my phone. Getting it back to being "snappy" is as easy as unapplying the checked themes in winterboard (this works for me). Sure, you have no theme then, but your phone is faster. Unfortunately we have to make this trade off for now.
It seems as if winterboard using mobilesubstrate is chewing up alot of ram. At least, it appears that I have way more ram available when not using themes. Apps open much faster, and another nice thing is that safari almost always keeps the last page I loaded and pops it up instantly when I open safari again, whereas with winterboard and theme(s) it almost always had to reload the page each time I opened safari. Presumably because the ram which stored the safari info was recycled for theming purposes. I'm guessing this is the same reason why apps open slower (they are removed from memory so that mobilesubstrate can use the memory). Or something to that effect anyway. Or maybe just a serious bug by Jay, but I kind of doubt that
It seems as if winterboard using mobilesubstrate is chewing up alot of ram. At least, it appears that I have way more ram available when not using themes. Apps open much faster, and another nice thing is that safari almost always keeps the last page I loaded and pops it up instantly when I open safari again, whereas with winterboard and theme(s) it almost always had to reload the page each time I opened safari. Presumably because the ram which stored the safari info was recycled for theming purposes. I'm guessing this is the same reason why apps open slower (they are removed from memory so that mobilesubstrate can use the memory). Or something to that effect anyway. Or maybe just a serious bug by Jay, but I kind of doubt that
I re-jailbroke my phone w/ QuickPwn last night and only installed Winterboard via Cydia. I only use my wallpaper as my background w/ NO custom icons, scroll bars, nothing. Just the wallpaper w/ transparent dock and hide icon names on.
So far so good, all the apps seem to open like it was when I was on vanilla 2.1 yesterday and much faster then previous jailbroken 2.1.
We'll see in a few days if the lags come back.
So far so good, all the apps seem to open like it was when I was on vanilla 2.1 yesterday and much faster then previous jailbroken 2.1.
We'll see in a few days if the lags come back.
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Yeah, that steaming pile of **** was so laggy, I don't think adding a second or two lag would've mattered that much. Sand on a beach.
cal6n said:
Yeah, that steaming pile of **** was so laggy, I don't think adding a second or two lag would've mattered that much. Sand on a beach.
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Yeah, that steaming pile of **** was so laggy, I don't think adding a second or two lag would've mattered that much. Sand on a beach.
Thats wierd. Apart from more than usual safari crashes in 2.02 NONE of my firmwares have ever been that laggy or crash that much.
I think ive been extremely lucky tho.
Winterboard lags for me too.
Some themes though, cause the lag to be more or less severe than others.
When loading certain apps (SMS is a hug one), I get lag, that at times, lasts for 10-15 seconds or longer.
When 2.2 comes around, I may try going without Winterboard for a while, and then add it later and see if I notice a difference.
If nothing else, I will continue to jailbreak for Scrobble.
Some themes though, cause the lag to be more or less severe than others.
When loading certain apps (SMS is a hug one), I get lag, that at times, lasts for 10-15 seconds or longer.
When 2.2 comes around, I may try going without Winterboard for a while, and then add it later and see if I notice a difference.
If nothing else, I will continue to jailbreak for Scrobble.
Winterboard isnt the be all and end all to jailbreaking.
There are other advatanges to jail breaking including:
Insomina - Run apps in the background when you lock your screen.
Numerical battery. See exactly how much percentage your battery is at by tapping its icon.
SSH - Run scripts and have a cheap linux computer with you all the time.
SMS - Change how your phone handles SMS.
Snapture - Have a camera that turns the sound off and does burst mode.
I like to see those app in the app store.
There are many things jail breaking can do.. there is no excuse for not doing it IMO.
There are other advatanges to jail breaking including:
Insomina - Run apps in the background when you lock your screen.
Numerical battery. See exactly how much percentage your battery is at by tapping its icon.
SSH - Run scripts and have a cheap linux computer with you all the time.
SMS - Change how your phone handles SMS.
Snapture - Have a camera that turns the sound off and does burst mode.
I like to see those app in the app store.
There are many things jail breaking can do.. there is no excuse for not doing it IMO.
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Yeah, I'd say you have been EXTREMELY lucky.
When Apple released 2.1 for the iPod touch, I upgraded immediately. For three or four days I was able to compare the touch with my jailbroken 2.0.2 iPhone 3G, side by side. It was painful to watch. The touch opened the exact same apps 1-2 seconds faster than the iPhone could, time after time. With 80+ apps installed, it took 19 minutes to upgrade any app on the iPhone - on the iPod it took about thirty seconds.
To say that 2.0.2 was a steaming people of **** is an insult to piles of ****.
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Yeah, that steaming pile of **** was so laggy, I don't think adding a second or two lag would've mattered that much. Sand on a beach.
Thats wierd. Apart from more than usual safari crashes in 2.02 NONE of my firmwares have ever been that laggy or crash that much.
I think ive been extremely lucky tho.
Yeah, I'd say you have been EXTREMELY lucky.
When Apple released 2.1 for the iPod touch, I upgraded immediately. For three or four days I was able to compare the touch with my jailbroken 2.0.2 iPhone 3G, side by side. It was painful to watch. The touch opened the exact same apps 1-2 seconds faster than the iPhone could, time after time. With 80+ apps installed, it took 19 minutes to upgrade any app on the iPhone - on the iPod it took about thirty seconds.
To say that 2.0.2 was a steaming people of **** is an insult to piles of ****.
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That might be taking it a bit far ...
wreckshop said:
That might be taking it a bit far ...
My dock is a blank .png and I use make Icon Text Transparent. Unfortunately, the icon text removal is the main reason I Winterboard. Even doing it through SSH you can't remove iPod Safari and some others' text.
Can you explain further please? I've wondered how to do this before, and I've never seen it posted anywhere.
I hate to bump this thread, but I was wondering if there have been any improvements with the newer versions of WinterBoard ... ? Is performance any better now?
i just did a fresh jb on sunday using quickpwn. after jb restored from a clean backup of 2.1.
the biggest lag i've seen is SMS (very noticeable, 7-8 sec load time).
if i turn off the theme and intelliscreen. load times are cut more than half. i still had the 5icon dock and status notifier loaded (too lazy to un-install those)
if i had seen this thread earlier i would have tested the lag before the restore to see if it affects the lag or not.
the biggest lag i've seen is SMS (very noticeable, 7-8 sec load time).
if i turn off the theme and intelliscreen. load times are cut more than half. i still had the 5icon dock and status notifier loaded (too lazy to un-install those
)if i had seen this thread earlier i would have tested the lag before the restore to see if it affects the lag or not.
A few notes from an old jailbroken timer. If you can deal without themes then uninstall winterboard. It seems to be the culprit for most. I have 0 problems with PDAnet, cycorder, bosspref, cydia, installer, abs a few others. Although winterboard is a nice app I believe it does introduce some instability and delay with certain apps. For me it was oddly enough SMS. Winterboard consistently added 4 seconds to SMS opening. With a few other problems and I was using a the simple unlocker theme. Anyway, never had battery life problems just a bit of lag with certain apps installed. Otherwise, jailbreaking is fantastic!
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Thanks for the info.
Unfortunately, WinterBoard is the ONLY reason I'd jailbreak now that the app store is open - and since it causes lag (which I can't stand) I guess I'll stick with vanilla for now ... Kinda sucks!
lavrishevo said:
Thanks for the info.
Unfortunately, WinterBoard is the ONLY reason I'd jailbreak now that the app store is open - and since it causes lag (which I can't stand) I guess I'll stick with vanilla for now ... Kinda sucks!
can't live without....winterboard....
it hasn't bothered me too much (the lag) but it's also cuz i don't SMS much. if i SMS a lot it would irk me prob.
update: i just unloaded status notifier and intelliscreen but kept a theme. sms loads up 2sec. dunno if that's still too laggy for u or not though.
it hasn't bothered me too much (the lag) but it's also cuz i don't SMS much. if i SMS a lot it would irk me prob.
update: i just unloaded status notifier and intelliscreen but kept a theme. sms loads up 2sec. dunno if that's still too laggy for u or not though.
I was just reading through these posts and thought I'd add a little info (hope it's somewhat relevant). I am currently running a first gen iPhone on 1.1.4 with Summerboard and many apps (GBA, Gameboy, NES, SNES, SSH, Boss Prefs, Video Recorder, iBlackJack, Chuzzle, Chess, Squid, MIM and a few others). I am using the Glass Orb theme. Right now the UI on this phone runs GREAT. VERY quick, smooth and snappy. I also have a 3G with 2.1 also Jailbroken. Pretty much the same apps and the same theme (except running Winterboard). The 3G is choppy, slow to open apps (especially Settings, Photos and SMS).
Now, I don't know if this is due to Winterboard or 2.1 just sucks. But it could be a combination. I have pretty much decided that I'm going to sell my 3G and keep 1.1.4 for now as it is nearly a perfect phone but for the lack of 3G.
Is anyone else experiencing issues with 1.1.4? As far as I could tell the discussion involves 2.x. I'd be interested to hear what commonalities may be causing slowdowns.
Now, I don't know if this is due to Winterboard or 2.1 just sucks. But it could be a combination. I have pretty much decided that I'm going to sell my 3G and keep 1.1.4 for now as it is nearly a perfect phone but for the lack of 3G.
Is anyone else experiencing issues with 1.1.4? As far as I could tell the discussion involves 2.x. I'd be interested to hear what commonalities may be causing slowdowns.
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If I had nothing to compare it to, I'd probably think the iPhone 3G was fine ... But since I've got an iPod touch as well, it's easy to compare them side by side - the difference is blatantly obvious and it bugs me! But if you had nothing to compare it to, the iPhone 3G would probably be fine.
trunksu said:
If I had nothing to compare it to, I'd probably think the iPhone 3G was fine ... But since I've got an iPod touch as well, it's easy to compare them side by side - the difference is blatantly obvious and it bugs me! But if you had nothing to compare it to, the iPhone 3G would probably be fine.