Has Apple lost its cool to Samsung?

[Max(IT)]

See that is the type of stuff you are dealing with when you are trying to debate on here at times. Logical information is presented by some of us with links to support, The logical information is dismissed as inaccurate and is countered with over the top counter arguments that are ridiculous.

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Thank you! Finally someone else that understands and hasn't been blinded by the marketing engine.

On a side note, I saw the Galaxy S5 commercial today and Samsung actually touted innovation. I belted out a hearty laugh.

I don't completely dislike the S5, tbh.
It is a little too big for me (the S4 was better in that aspect) but it has a great hardware. I just don't like its build quality and I hate Samsung's software implementation of Android .
I could consider a Google Play Edition.

But when I read about "the s5 has a 1080p screen and the iPhone don't" it drives me crazy (or even better "I can see pixels on the iPhone while the s5 is perfect").

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What about my response above? Thanks for just dismissing that...

And what you say definitely goes both ways, yourself included

Claiming 1080p is a marketing gimmick for a 5" phone while defending current 64bit is just silly which I believe you previously commented on

Personally, neither of those features are marketing gimmicks for me. Both are or will have practical use. I want both

Did you even read my posts ???
I said 1080P is gimmick if it is not correlated with screen size, just that. On a 5" display 1080P are just fine (about 400 PPI with a pen tile panel it's OK).
1080p are marketing BS if throwed against the iPhone with its 4" fullRGB panel.

And AGAIN it's not the 64 bits but the architectural advantage of a well designed Armv8 implementation.

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The tangibly best screens among smartphones are all 1080P.

It's not a gimmick.

The iPhone manages without by being much smaller.

Though 4.7" with a high quality display at 720p should look good as well.

This is also correct.
The S5 has one of the best panels on the market and it is 1080P. And it deserves such an high resolution because of its dimension and because of the PenTile subpixels arrangement.
In this case the resolution in strictly correlated with the dimension.

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Things really didn't go your way about the 1080p being a gimmick though, did they? So Android marketing hype is bs, Apple marketing hype is gospel?

No,no, every marketing hype is BS by definition.
But Apple at least spoke about pixels density presenting its retina display, and I'm fine with it.

 

[Shanghaichica]

At it's current size the iPhone doesn't need a 1080p display. However that is not to say that the displays on the S4, HTC One etc aren't better than the 5S because they are by quite some margin in my opinion. If the next iPhone has a bigger screen then it will need to increase the resolution. 720p is a minimum, but should be 1080p. Keeping the same resolution on a 4.7 inch display wouldn't be nice.

 

[swedefish]

Just jumping in with my opinion without reading the entire thread.

Apple hasn't lost anything but market share to Samsung. The smartphone simply isn't a cool product anymore. The iPhone was groundbreaking and Apple's iOS has (and still is) changing our computing habits. But like with conventional PCs , we seem to have reached an impasse where progress is held back by the limitations of available technology. Batteries are a major problem, and there are other problems such as the old tech paradigm governing cellular carriers and media companies.

The bulk of sales growth in the past few years has been in developing markets and the low-cost segment in Western markets, and that is a market where Apple does not want to be. It means that it will lose its pole position in handset sales, and I am sure that hurt Apple's ego, but they have been spoiled ever since the iPod became synonymous with the portable music player. The iPhone will never be synonymous with the smartphone, but that doesn't mean Apple is over or that Samsung is cool.

In some ways Apple has fallen victim for a trend it started with the idea of making technology as portable as possible. The iPod enabled us to take with us our entire music libraries everywhere; the MacBook Air set a new standard for portability in laptops; but on the hand-held side Apple asked us to supplement our iPhone with an iPad. It is a wonderful combination indeed. However, consumers have become spoiled. The tablet boom showed us the benefit of a larger screen on a mobile device. Samsung saw a market opportunity here: develop the smartphones toward some liminal 'phablet' stage. Samsung is touting MORE screen real estate, MORE tech specs, MORE clutter. My prejudice shines through, but the low-end consumers in the West and the general consumers in developing markets love this. Who needs tactile refinement, elegance, and simplicity?

This is where things get tricky, because the answer to the above is: no one needs it, but certain people value it as highly as specs. Samsung has picked up on this and has spent hundreds of millions mocking this crowd, i.e. Apple users. 'Look at these pretentious fools wasting money on "cool design"; smart consumers get practical and Galaxy phones instead, they have more of everything.' Bigger. More. Value 4 U!!!

Samsung has successfully portraid the iPhone as a 'bad value', not a bad phone. Apple on the other hand has waged a war on the Android platform, not on Samsung itself.

Apple's profit margin is good the way it is. But it is undeniably powerful to be the market leader, and Apple is losing that. I interpret their concession as an active choice rooted in their commitment to outstanding hardware design and a quality experience. Quality over quantity. They do not want to cheapen their brand in competition with budget Galaxy handsets in developing markets.

Until the next revolution in the mobile computing market, these companies will fight it out like the behemoths in the tech rivalries of old.

Apple is still an aspirational brand with the Mac and the iPad, and the mythology surrounding the company. No one aspires to Samsung, but hey, it's a good value.

 

[AppleScruff1]

fair enough yes I see.

but if 1080p is a gimmick, 64bit is too

It's debatable. Nothing is really taking advantage of it right now true. Not sure if it was a main selling point for Apple either. With that said, Apple's products are going 64 Bit and are future proof. My guess is iOS 10 will be 64bit only and the iPhone 5s will be able to get that update.

1080p on a smartphone is a gimmick because the eyes can't even tell the difference. It's not useful now and it's not gonna be useful later.

Yes 64bit will surely be a necessity at some point. Hopefully iOS 10 can function with 1gb ram

I cant agree on the 1080P point.

That's similar methodology to the claim that the eye can't see over 60FPS (or some claim 30). However, there is a big difference playing a shooter at 120FPS, regardless of any eye science.

I dont really care for QHD or whatever resolution the LG G3 is going to have, but I do want 1080P (at least for a 5" screen). So, maybe I'm only a little crazy

Fair enough. I agree with you on playing video games at FPS higher than 60FPS. It does feel and seem smoother. I'm not a scientist. All I'm saying, is guys way smarter than me like Anand have stated 1080p on a smartphone is a gimmick. I read what smart people have to say and I listen as well. If it was on the iPhone I would say the same thing as well.

Apple really needs to fix the so called Retina display in iPhone. I can easily discern the pixels on the iPhone 5s display, while I have a hard time seeing pixels with 1080p. No 1080p, no sale.

I doubt anyone will take this comment seriously.

Well, when laying in bet before sleep I often check calendar for the next day, set my alarm, read top news and go through my twitter feed and so on. Here the phone gets very close in a quite dark room, when laying sideways. I have to say that I can easily discern the pixels here. Not elsewhere and through the day, but it is something I notice after having used GS4.

I can sure as hell tell a difference between HD and FullHD on mobile phones, not to mention the screen on an iPhone which is even below HD. Quality being one thing, but the fact that you can squeeze in a lot more information on a FullHD screen makes the comparison a no-brainer. And when you compare a tiny 4" low resolution screen with a modern properly sized FullHD screen, well, you'd be insane to even make such a comparison. It's like comparing a black and white CRT TV to a modern flat screen.

And to rant on my pet peeve: 1080p is a video mode, indicating 1080 horizontal lines and progressive scan. The screen resolution commonly associated with such video is FullHD, i.e. 1920 x 1080 pixels.

I'll throw this out there:

MOTO X Engineer on Phone Specs

That leads me to the criticism about the screen resolution. Why did Motorola decide to go with a lower resolution? I mean, it seems like every other high-end smartphone, including the new LG G2 that was just introduced today, has a 1080P screen. And when it comes to pixels per square inch, the Galaxy S4 has the Moto X beat.

Arshad: First of all, what Samsung has done with the GS4 screen is not true 1080P. Instead, Samsung is using a PenTile display. Each pixel is made up of three-color sub pixels. It's missing one of the pixels. We are using a true RGB pattern custom display that gives true color reproduction without wasting battery life.

Samsung is using a graphics processor, but they're using it the wrong way and their performance is actually worse than ours. They are burning more battery life. In the case of HTC, they're using an LCD screen, which is simply an inferior technology.

Also, the human eye cannot discern resolution beyond 300 pixels per inch. And we exceed that. So the eye can't even see the difference. But the human eye can see big differences in color saturation and reproduction. In fact, I'd say that is even more important than resolution. So we decided to focus on that aspect instead.

No matter how often you repeat Apple's marketing slogans, I can see a difference between an iPhone 5 and an Lg g2 in terms of pixel density.

These days the word "Retina" stands for a relatively low resolution screen on a smartphone, compared to the common 1080p screens.

While I agree with him that the Pentile layout of the Galaxy S4 means that it doesn't look quite as sharp as 1080p RGB stripe display, the 300 ppi statement isn't true.

The scientific calculation of what a human eye can resolve at its best is 573 ppi at 12 inches and 458 ppi at 15 inches. That has been quoted in numerous articles I've read over the last few years. That's what a scientist come up with to show that Apple's "retina display" is a misnomer.

And the colors on an AMOLED display are atrocious if not calibrated to SRGB, which the Moto X isn't. The S5 offers Cinema mode which is almost perfect besides the gamma being a little off.

So, a lot of people ended up taking that seriously .

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This! It really is a marketing term - one I combine with low resolution screen in phones.

Yea, apparently they took your side. One of them even claim that it's Apple Marketing slogans when I clearly posted a link to Google's old phone division Moto Engineer speaking on the topic.

I think the Moto engineer probably has a little more insight in the smartphone technology than us humble forum folks. If guys on MacRumors says the Moto Engineer has no clue in what he's talking about, then surely he is wrong.

Then does that mean that if a guy on MacRumors claims that Apple will never make a water resistant phone or use a higher resolution screen that he is correct?

I'm using an iPhone 5 and a Lumia 1020. The 1020 is certainly "getting there", but the iPhone is outright embarrassing when it comes to low light performance, and having no stabilization, videos are like a first-hand experience with Parkinsons...

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I have no idea who that Motorola engineer is, but this "humble forum folk" right here has been both researching and developing the mobile phone industry for some 15 years.

Not that one needs any industry experience to see that a bigger and sharper screen is both more pleasing to look at and can convey more information than a smaller and less detailed screen. I don't really understand how anyone could possibly object to that?

I haven't retracted a damn thing! Is this your way of debating? Making up crap as you go along to try and support your baseless claims? You could easily post a quote of mine and correct me if I'm wrong. Go ahead. Ill wait.

The conversation went something like what I have quoted above. You backed off your 64bit claim more than the 1080p argument, so I'll give you that. Your 1080p argument didn't do much convincing or prove anything definite, but you did provide a source. Your claims of Apple never producing a water resistant phone or a higher screen resolution are your opinions, not fact.

The claims of people following Samsung's hype and marketing are humorous when someone criticizing them is doing the same with Apple.

 

[Max(IT)]

At it's current size the iPhone doesn't need a 1080p display. However that is not to say that the displays on the S4, HTC One etc aren't better than the 5S because they are by quite some margin in my opinion. If the next iPhone has a bigger screen then it will need to increase the resolution. 720p is a minimum, but should be 1080p. Keeping the same resolution on a 4.7 inch display wouldn't be nice.

Display of Samsung s4 absolutely ISNT any better than iPhone 5s', 1080P or not.
S5 and HTC m8 yes, they are.
Quality of a display isn't only related to resolution and PPI.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Display of Samsung s4 absolutely ISNT any better than iPhone 5s', 1080P or not.
S5 and HTC m8 yes, they are.
Quality of a display isn't only related to resolution and PPI.

Which is why I said in my opinion. I've owned both phones and I thought that the S4 had a better screen.

 

[Max(IT)]

The conversation went something like what I have quoted above. You backed off your 64bit claim more than the 1080p argument, so I'll give you that. Your 1080p argument didn't do much convincing or prove anything definite, but you did provide a source. Your claims of Apple never producing a water resistant phone or a higher screen resolution are your opinions, not fact.

The claims of people following Samsung's hype and marketing are humorous when someone criticizing them is doing the same with Apple.

I can speak for myself only ... I've never said Apple marketing is better.
Marketing hype is just BS, what make me sad is people on a tech forum like this speaking about those marketing BS as they were the truth.

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Which is why I said in my opinion. I've owned both phones and I thought that the S4 had a better screen.

I could suggest you an interesting read on forums like anandtech, where you can learn something about how to judge a display.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6914/samsung-galaxy-s-4-review/8

Galaxy S4 wasn't so good as others (iPhone 5 was far better).

Galaxy S5 is much better, one of the best display ever made.

 

[thelookingglass]

I can speak for myself only ... I've never said Apple marketing is better.
Marketing hype is just BS, what make me sad is people on a tech forum like this speaking about those marketing BS as they were the truth.

Marketing hype is way more than BS. After trying a couple Samsung phones myself, it's obvious that they're inferior products to other devices on the market. But Samsung's marketing muscle is tremendous and that's what leads to all their sales.

Apple totally missed the boat by insisting on a small screen for their flagship phones. Had they come out with bigger screens for iPhone 5, I'd wager a guess that Samsung wouldn't be nearly as popular as it is today. Apple's insistence on simplicity and being super focused was a detriment on this particular point.

 

[Black Magic]

The conversation went something like what I have quoted above. You backed off your 64bit claim more than the 1080p argument, so I'll give you that. Your 1080p argument didn't do much convincing or prove anything definite, but you did provide a source. Your claims of Apple never producing a water resistant phone or a higher screen resolution are your opinions, not fact.

The claims of people following Samsung's hype and marketing are humorous when someone criticizing them is doing the same with Apple.

First of all, GOT LUCK threw the 64bit out there just to muck up the conversation. Kinda like us talking about dogs and then you throw in something about cats. I stand by my 64bit response above.

1080p is another story. I'm not gonna be able to convince close minded folks that have their mind set. Look at what we are dealing with here:

1. One person stated they could see pixels on the iPhone 5s. Seriously? Why even continue to engage that type of conversation?

2. Another person said that tablet sells for Samsung or higher but you can't tell because everyone is changing the user agent. Seriously?

Now having said that, at no point have I pushed Apple marketing. Again you are making stuff up. Kinda like you posting my quotes above which do nothing to support your claim of me retracting anything. IMHO, Apple has the better product and we all know Samsung copies them.

 

[Max(IT)]

Marketing hype is way more than BS. After trying a couple Samsung phones myself, it's obvious that they're inferior products to other devices on the market. But Samsung's marketing muscle is tremendous and that's what leads to all their sales.

Apple totally missed the boat by insisting on a small screen for their flagship phones. Had they come out with bigger screens for iPhone 5, I'd wager a guess that Samsung wouldn't be nearly as popular as it is today. Apple's insistence on simplicity and being super focused was a detriment on this particular point.

You are right but in forums like this people are supposed to be more tech savvy than typical customers.

I think apple didn't miss anything, since they established new sales records with their "tiny screen" iPhone 5S ... Now is time to change, and I'm quite sure they are going to sell more iPhone 6 than galaxy s5.

And to be honest, I don't know if my next smartphone will be an iPhone 6. We will see.

 

[gotluck]

I could suggest you an interesting read on forums like anandtech, where you can learn something about how to judge a display.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6914/samsung-galaxy-s-4-review/8

Galaxy S4 wasn't so good as others (iPhone 5 was far better).

Galaxy S5 is much better, one of the best display ever made.

Well size does matter, I think the gs4 screen is better overall vs iphone because its size counts for something

 

[Max(IT)]

Well size does matter, I think the gs4 screen is better overall vs iphone because its size counts for something

Size doesn't matter since iPhone 5 display was much better .... But here we are again: marketing BS and people following it.
It was a 1080P display, so it "has to be better", no matter if it lacks color calibration, precision and gamut of iPhone 5's screen

 

[gotluck]

Size doesn't matter since iPhone 5 display was much better .... But here we are again: marketing BS and people following it.
It was a 1080P display, so it "has to be better", no matter if it lacks color calibration, precision and gamut of iPhone 5's screen

No I'm not saying it's better because it's 1080p , I'm saying it's better because it's 5"

If you'll notice I never mentioned resolution at all

yourself

I have a more enjoyable time browsing on my GS4 vs my wifes iPhone5, because of the screen

 

[Shanghaichica]

Marketing hype is way more than BS. After trying a couple Samsung phones myself, it's obvious that they're inferior products to other devices on the market. But Samsung's marketing muscle is tremendous and that's what leads to all their sales.

Apple totally missed the boat by insisting on a small screen for their flagship phones. Had they come out with bigger screens for iPhone 5, I'd wager a guess that Samsung wouldn't be nearly as popular as it is today. Apple's insistence on simplicity and being super focused was a detriment on this particular point.

I don't think the reason why Samsung are as popular as they are is simply because they offer larger screened phones. The other Android OEM's also offer large screened phones yet they arent anywhere near as popular as successful as Samsung have been. Also whilst I think that a bigger screened iphone will be a hit for Apple later this year I don't think that it will bring everyone flocking back.

 

[Technarchy]

Size doesn't matter since iPhone 5 display was much better .... But here we are again: marketing BS and people following it.
It was a 1080P display, so it "has to be better", no matter if it lacks color calibration, precision and gamut of iPhone 5's screen

As a former owner of both I can say with certainty that the iPhone 5S screen was better in some ways over the S4, but not "much" better. The S4 screen had it's own set of advantages that are not related to size, but resolution is a factor.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Size doesn't matter since iPhone 5 display was much better .... But here we are again: marketing BS and people following it.
It was a 1080P display, so it "has to be better", no matter if it lacks color calibration, precision and gamut of iPhone 5's screen

It depends what you are looking for in a screen. I think it's pretty subjective. Whilst you prefer accurate values and precision I prefer the over saturated amoled screen and so that is why I would say that the S4 has a better screen than the iPhone 5/5S.

Its a bit like the plasma vs LCD debate.

 

[gotluck]

It depends what you are looking for in a screen. I think it's pretty subjective. Whilst you prefer accurate values and precision I prefer the over saturated amoled screen and so that is why I would say that the S4 has a better screen than the iPhone 5/5S.

Its a bit like the plasma vs LCD debate.

Quoted for Truth

can't treat the subject like blind objective facts, there will always be bias and preference

 

[Max(IT)]

No I'm not saying it's better because it's 1080p , I'm saying it's better because it's 5"

If you'll notice I never mentioned resolution at all

yourself

I have a more enjoyable time browsing on my GS4 vs my wifes iPhone5, because of the screen

Well the difference is here: I don't browse the net on a phone. I use the smartphone to browse on the go, when needed, for a short period of time.
When I need to browse the net for a prolonged period of time, I have my nexus 7 (on the go) or my iPad Air (mostly at home or in the hotels).
I do a lot of things on my smartphones, but browse the net is not one of the favorite.

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It depends what you are looking for in a screen. I think it's pretty subjective. Whilst you prefer accurate values and precision I prefer the over saturated amoled screen and so that is why I would say that the S4 has a better screen than the iPhone 5/5S.

Its a bit like the plasma vs LCD debate.

It can't be completely subjective.
If you make comparisons, you need an objective base, like Anand did.
The oversaturated colors of some AMOLED screens couldn't be "a pro", even if you like it.
The galaxy S5 has an AMOLED display, but it is much more precise than the s4's, thus it is widely judged as better.

 

[TheHateMachine]

It depends what you are looking for in a screen. I think it's pretty subjective. Whilst you prefer accurate values and precision I prefer the over saturated amoled screen and so that is why I would say that the S4 has a better screen than the iPhone 5/5S.

Its a bit like the plasma vs LCD debate.

Yup, and what is great about Touchwiz post Note 2 is the fact that you can calibrate to keep the over saturation or switch over to a more accurate tone.

 

[gotluck]

Well the difference is here: I don't browse the net on a phone. I use the smartphone to browse on the go, when needed, for a short period of time.
When I need to browse the net for a prolonged period of time, I have my nexus 7 (on the go) or my iPad Air (mostly at home or in the hotels).
I do a lot of things on my smartphones, but browse the net is not one of the favorite.

Well I would add most every task to that list aside from voice calls and using the device as a music player or the like - essentially any task that uses the screen

Mail is particularly equally more enjoyable with more screen real estate for me (not to mention ios' inferior attachment support been waiting forever to add attachments in replies)

 

[Max(IT)]

Yup, and what is great about Touchwiz post Note 2 is the fact that you can calibrate to keep the over saturation or switch over to a more accurate tone.

You can change saturation, but you can't calibrate your display with the "great TouchWiz"

 

[AppleScruff1]

First of all, GOT LUCK threw the 64bit out there just to muck up the conversation. Kinda like us talking about dogs and then you throw in something about cats. I stand by my 64bit response above.

1080p is another story. I'm not gonna be able to convince close minded folks that have their mind set. Look at what we are dealing with here:

1. One person stated they could see pixels on the iPhone 5s. Seriously? Why even continue to engage that type of conversation?

2. Another person said that tablet sells for Samsung or higher but you can't tell because everyone is changing the user agent. Seriously?

Now having said that, at no point have I pushed Apple marketing. Again you are making stuff up. Kinda like you posting my quotes above which do nothing to support your claim of me retracting anything. IMHO, Apple has the better product and we all know Samsung copies them.

But you're not being closed minded? How do you know that the person can't see pixels under the conditions he stated? Maybe they can, their eyes may be better than mine. I didn't say you pushed Apple marketing, you criticized the marketing of others while stating that 720p and 64 bit on the iPhone were legitimate and 1080p was a gimmick, but people believe the marketing hype about 1080p. Connect the dots and A=B. I'm not making anything up. You're the one calling people stupid, etc, not me. I posted the conversation so the others in the discussion can form their own opinion.

Yep, Samsung copied large 1080p screens with higher PPI and water resistance from Apple. They copied the non existent Apple watch and 12" iPad too.

 

[Fanaticalism]

Just jumping in with my opinion without reading the entire thread.

Apple hasn't lost anything but market share to Samsung. The smartphone simply isn't a cool product anymore. The iPhone was groundbreaking and Apple's iOS has (and still is) changing our computing habits. But like with conventional PCs , we seem to have reached an impasse where progress is held back by the limitations of available technology. Batteries are a major problem, and there are other problems such as the old tech paradigm governing cellular carriers and media companies.

The bulk of sales growth in the past few years has been in developing markets and the low-cost segment in Western markets, and that is a market where Apple does not want to be. It means that it will lose its pole position in handset sales, and I am sure that hurt Apple's ego, but they have been spoiled ever since the iPod became synonymous with the portable music player. The iPhone will never be synonymous with the smartphone, but that doesn't mean Apple is over or that Samsung is cool.

In some ways Apple has fallen victim for a trend it started with the idea of making technology as portable as possible. The iPod enabled us to take with us our entire music libraries everywhere; the MacBook Air set a new standard for portability in laptops; but on the hand-held side Apple asked us to supplement our iPhone with an iPad. It is a wonderful combination indeed. However, consumers have become spoiled. The tablet boom showed us the benefit of a larger screen on a mobile device. Samsung saw a market opportunity here: develop the smartphones toward some liminal 'phablet' stage. Samsung is touting MORE screen real estate, MORE tech specs, MORE clutter. My prejudice shines through, but the low-end consumers in the West and the general consumers in developing markets love this. Who needs tactile refinement, elegance, and simplicity?

This is where things get tricky, because the answer to the above is: no one needs it, but certain people value it as highly as specs. Samsung has picked up on this and has spent hundreds of millions mocking this crowd, i.e. Apple users. 'Look at these pretentious fools wasting money on "cool design"; smart consumers get practical and Galaxy phones instead, they have more of everything.' Bigger. More. Value 4 U!!!

Samsung has successfully portraid the iPhone as a 'bad value', not a bad phone. Apple on the other hand has waged a war on the Android platform, not on Samsung itself.

Apple's profit margin is good the way it is. But it is undeniably powerful to be the market leader, and Apple is losing that. I interpret their concession as an active choice rooted in their commitment to outstanding hardware design and a quality experience. Quality over quantity. They do not want to cheapen their brand in competition with budget Galaxy handsets in developing markets.

Until the next revolution in the mobile computing market, these companies will fight it out like the behemoths in the tech rivalries of old.

Apple is still an aspirational brand with the Mac and the iPad, and the mythology surrounding the company. No one aspires to Samsung, but hey, it's a good value.

Well though out post.

 

[Black Magic]

But you're not being closed minded? How do you know that the person can't see pixels under the conditions he stated? Maybe they can, their eyes may be better than mine. I didn't say you pushed Apple marketing, you criticized the marketing of others while stating that 720p and 64 bit on the iPhone were legitimate and 1080p was a gimmick, but people believe the marketing hype about 1080p. Connect the dots and A=B. I'm not making anything up. You're the one calling people stupid, etc, not me. I posted the conversation so the others in the discussion can form their own opinion.

Yep, Samsung copied large 1080p screens with higher PPI and water resistance from Apple. They copied the non existent Apple watch and 12" iPad too.

I never said anything was legitimate. You filling in the blanks again to bolster another baseless argument.

Now you playing dumb trying to play like Samsung didn't copy Apple on things. How you conveniently left GOLD color choice, home button, finger print reader, and let's not even talk about the ongoing litigation that you are completely ignoring.

I'm not gonna waste anymore time on you.

 

[Max(IT)]

But you're not being closed minded? How do you know that the person can't see pixels under the conditions he stated? Maybe they can, their eyes may be better than mine. I didn't say you pushed Apple marketing, you criticized the marketing of others while stating that 720p and 64 bit on the iPhone were legitimate and 1080p was a gimmick, but people believe the marketing hype about 1080p. Connect the dots and A=B. I'm not making anything up. You're the one calling people stupid, etc, not me. I posted the conversation so the others in the discussion can form their own opinion.

Yep, Samsung copied large 1080p screens with higher PPI and water resistance from Apple. They copied the non existent Apple watch and 12" iPad too.

With a lens I could see pixels on every device, even on my Nexus 7 .... But the point is: everything about 300 PPI on a portable device is enough to be defined as good.
Every unbiased analysis showed that.
Sony Xperia Z1 Compact is a 4.3" high end device, and its display is 720P, not an 1080P.
Why ? Because with that resolution it has 340 PPI pixel density, more than enough. 1080P would be just over killing ...
Is it my opinion ? No, it is the opinion of everyone who is unbiased, like this reviewer:

However, when you think about it, 1080p would've been an overkill on a 4.3" screen, adding to the battery drain rather than the image quality. And with the reduced screen consumption the smaller battery shouldn't be an issue either - it's as big as what the Xperia Z offered anyway.

The Sony Xperia Z1 Compact comes with a 4.3" Triluminous display backed up by the company's proprietary X-reality engine. On paper, 720p resolution sounds like a serious step down from the full-HD screen of the regular Z1, but at this size it still results in the more than pleasing 342ppi.
So the screen is tack-sharp and you wouldn't really feel any downgrade at all - in fact 1080p would probably have been an overkill at this screen size, and a strain on the battery.