Has Apple lost its cool to Samsung?

[Max(IT)]

So the iPhone will never be 1080p hah!? Yeah right.

I didn't say that. It will depend on screen dimensions of future iPhones.

Of course 64 bit will come...

Yes, a couple of years later

No one that actually uses android phones calls them droids btw. That was Verizon branding.

Why ? Do you find it "offensive" for your beloved smartphone ?
I'm an early adopter Android user (my first droid was powered by 1.5), and that term is quite "historical" ...

 

[gotluck]

So you used android when it was crappy? Okay...
Using droid makes you look dated

I couldn't care less that my phone isn't 64bit. id rather have 5 inch 1080p screen

Not really beloved... I'd still be on iOS if they would open it up a bit. I dont care about any of these companies or what os I use. All about features...

 

[Fanaticalism]

Surely Apple never spoke about resolution, but about PPI when they spoke about "Retina" display.
And I really hope they will do the same if they are going to release a couple of bigger iPhones in the future.

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My eyes are as good as they can be, being a professional pilot checked twice a year.

64 bits are a milestone for future development. And something your beloved droids are going to embrace in the next future. Nothing like a gimmick.

1080p is a milestone for future development. And something your beloved iphones are going to embrace in the next future. Nothing like a gimmick. See what I did there?

Everything you post always favors whatever Apple releases with no rationale. If 64bit has no real benefit right now, it is as much a gimmick as is 1080p on screens in their current size because according to you, they serve no purpose. If I use your logic though, 1080p is as much future proofing as is 64bit which would make it relevant, but I'm sure you won't see it that way.

Everytime I read one of your posts, this is what I see:

"I read it on the internet, it must be true".

 

[Max(IT)]

Or they changed the user agent to iPad since most sites are only tablet optimized for the iPad. Which is what I did when I still used my crappy touchpad.

Yes yes, sure. Millions of typical user changing user agent to iPad on android powered tablets
Pretty plausible scenario

 

[gotluck]

Yes yes, sure. Millions of typical user changing user agent to iPad on android powered tablets
Pretty plausible scenario

Its really quite simple and recommended on many forums, the heaviest of users probably do change it to iPad or desktop

 

[Max(IT)]

So you used android when it was crappy? Okay...

I couldn't care less that my phone isn't 64bit. id rather have 5 inch 1080p screen

Not really beloved... I'd still be on iOS if they would open it up a bit. I dont care about any of these companies or what os I use. All about features...

I never stop using android, since last time I checked my nexus 7 runs on KitKat.
I actually passed through all iterations (almost): 1.5 - 1.6 - 2.1 - 2.3 - 4.1 - 4.2 - 4.4 on over ten droids I owned.

 

[gotluck]

I'm bored of this. You are not simulating discussion.

 

[Max(IT)]

Its really quite simple and recommended on many forums, the heaviest of users probably do change it to iPad or desktop

Forum geeks (like me and you ) aren't "typical tablet users"
My wife and my elder son, both tablet user, don't even know what an "user agent" is ... not to speak about my mother-in-law (yes, she has an Asus PadPhone 7 )

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1080p is a milestone for future development. And something your beloved iphones are going to embrace in the next future. Nothing like a gimmick. See what I did there?

Everything you post always favors whatever Apple releases with no rationale. If 64bit has no real benefit right now, it is as much a gimmick as is 1080p on screens in their current size because according to you, they serve no purpose. If I use your logic though, 1080p is as much future proofing as is 64bit which would make it relevant, but I'm sure you won't see it that way.

Everytime I read one of your posts, this is what I see:

"I read it on the internet, it must be true".

Again, if you can't understand what armv8 means in terms of performance TODAY (not only in the future), it is a waste of time this discussion.
It's not only 64 bits ... It's a better designed and more efficient architecture and a more polished set of instructions.
1080p on a 4" display is just a waste of pixels. On an hypothetical future 5.5" iPhone 6 will be useful. On a 4.5" hypothetical iPhone 6, for example, a resolution of 720p could be enough.
It's all about PPI.
And NO, 1080p isn't "future proof" because your device's screen isn't going to stretch in the future. I need just more than 300 PPI in my current display.

 

[kdarling]

Except Apple sales are supported by Internet access/online purchases stats, while Samsung sales aren't.

Actually, that was another US vs. the world comparison when that got started.

Moreover, it only applied to tablets, as smartphones have the same usage in the US.

Finally, the US tablets it applied to included _all_ Android tablets, which included eReaders, which are rarely used for web surfing.

You could write a book on all the internet myths out there, started by people who only read or quote a half of their sources, ignoring the more important half.

 

[Fanaticalism]

Forum geeks (like me and you ) aren't "typical tablet users"

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Again, if you can't understand what armv8 means in terms of performance TODAY (not only in the future), it is a waste of time this discussion.
It's not only 64 bits ... It's a better designed and more efficient architecture and a more polished set of instructions.
1080p on a 4" display is just a waste of pixels. On an hypothetical future 5.5" iPhone 6 will be useful. On a 4.5" hypothetical iPhone 6, for example, a resolution of 720p could be enough.
It's all about PPI.
And NO, 1080p isn't "future proof" because your device's screen isn't going to stretch in the future. I need just more than 300 PPI in my current display.

Show me a real world side by side comparison where 64bit makes a difference in performance, not benchmarks.

Wait, so 1080p is a gimmick on other devices such as Samsung which you have insinuated, but it comes on a 4.5 iphone, it is not?

1080p would be future proofing because it would mean that the technology is not only available in a mobile device but with every iteration it will be refined and reduce manufacturing costs so as display sizes grow to make it relevant (according to you) it will not inflate cost of production which means we as consumers win.

 

[Max(IT)]

Show me a real world side by side comparison where 64bit makes a difference in performance, not benchmarks.

Wait, so 1080p is a gimmick on other devices such as Samsung which you have insinuated, but it comes on a 4.5 iphone, it is not?

1080p would be future proofing because it would mean that the technology is not only available in a mobile device but with every iteration it will be refined and reduce manufacturing costs so as display sizes grow to make it relevant (according to you) it will not inflate cost of production which means we as consumers win.

Benchmarks are the only way to demonstrate performance.
The simple fact that a low clocked dual core is still competitive in most of the benchmarks with quad core 2+ Ghz SoC is the demonstration. It's not about 64 bits, it is the ARCHITECTURE of the CPU itself.
The A7 is not a good CPU because it's 64-bits. It is a good CPU because it is a good CPU.

1080P is marketing on EVERY DEVICE if it is not related to screen dimension. A note 3 needs 1080p because of its 5.7" display.
An iPhone 5 doesn't need it.

I can't understand what you are trying to say in you "future proof" sentence.

 

[Fanaticalism]

Benchmarks are the only way to demonstrate performance.
The simple fact that a low clocked dual core is still competitive in most of the benchmarks with quad core 2+ Ghz SoC is the demonstration. It's not about 64 bits, it is the ARCHITECTURE of the CPU itself.
The A7 is not a good CPU because it's 64-bits. It is a good CPU because it is a good CPU.

1080P is marketing on EVERY DEVICE if it is not related to screen dimension. A note 3 needs 1080p because of its 5.7" display.
An iPhone 5 doesn't need it.

I can't understand what you are trying to say in you "future proof" sentence.

Ok

 

[Technarchy]

Or they changed the user agent to iPad since most sites are only tablet optimized for the iPad. Which is what I did when I still used my crappy touchpad.

You don't actually believe this do you?

 

[gotluck]

You don't actually believe this do you?

If we're talking about heavy users yes I believe most heavy users change the agent or use chrome desktop mode.

If we're taking about numbers of users, no there aren't many I agree.

 

[Black Magic]

You don't actually believe this do you?

See that is the type of stuff you are dealing with when you are trying to debate on here at times. Logical information is presented by some of us with links to support, The logical information is dismissed as inaccurate and is countered with over the top counter arguments that are ridiculous.

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Benchmarks are the only way to demonstrate performance.
The simple fact that a low clocked dual core is still competitive in most of the benchmarks with quad core 2+ Ghz SoC is the demonstration. It's not about 64 bits, it is the ARCHITECTURE of the CPU itself.
The A7 is not a good CPU because it's 64-bits. It is a good CPU because it is a good CPU.

1080P is marketing on EVERY DEVICE if it is not related to screen dimension. A note 3 needs 1080p because of its 5.7" display.
An iPhone 5 doesn't need it.

I can't understand what you are trying to say in you "future proof" sentence.

Thank you! Finally someone else that understands and hasn't been blinded by the marketing engine.

On a side note, I saw the Galaxy S5 commercial today and Samsung actually touted innovation. I belted out a hearty laugh.

 

[gotluck]

See that is the type of stuff you are dealing with when you are trying to debate on here at times. Logical information is presented by some of us with links to support, The logical information is dismissed as inaccurate and is countered with over the top counter arguments that are ridiculous.

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What about my response above? Thanks for just dismissing that...

And what you say definitely goes both ways, yourself included

Claiming 1080p is a marketing gimmick for a 5" phone while defending current 64bit is just silly which I believe you previously commented on

Personally, neither of those features are marketing gimmicks for me. Both are or will have practical use. I want both

 

[Surface2Owner]

No, I don't think Apple lost its "cool" to Samsung. I don't think Apple has been "cool" for quite some time. Neither has Samsung.

I love playing with my gadgets, but carrying around the latest iPhone, Galaxy S5 or any gadget for that matter is not my idea of cool.

 

[pdqgp]

Lost it's cool?

Meh...today the iPhone is basically a Toyota Camery. Nothing but a solid piece of Meh in terms of device and capability and both sell a lot of units. That doesn't make them great, just popular. People are outgrowing them and yearning for more thus why Sammy appears to have an edge and that's what they have been leaning on for a couple years now.

My wife wouldn't like my Note 3 or likely any Android but she does continue to get frustrated at the limitations of iOS on both her iPhone and our iPads.

I'm not going back to iOS anytime soon, regardless of size. They just lack too many useful everyday functions I use regularly.

 

[Black Magic]

What about my response above? Thanks for just dismissing that...

And what you say definitely goes both ways, yourself included

Claiming 1080p is a marketing gimmick for a 5" phone while defending current 64bit is just silly which I believe you previously commented on

Personally, neither of those features are marketing gimmicks for me. Both are or will have practical use. I want both

1080p is a gimmick on smartphones right now. I posted a link earlier to support this by a Moto X engineer no less.

You spent the past 2 pages arguing that 64bit is a gimmick now you are saying it's not? It's hard to debate you when you are changing directions with the wind.

 

[gotluck]

1080p is a gimmick on smartphones right now. I posted a link earlier to support this by a Moto X engineer no less.

You spent the past 2 pages arguing that 64bit is a gimmick now you are saying it's not? It's hard to debate you when you are changing directions with the wind.

I said that if 1080p is a marketing gimmick, then 64bit at this point is as well.

 

[Technarchy]

The tangibly best screens among smartphones are all 1080P.

It's not a gimmick.

The iPhone manages without by being much smaller.

Though 4.7" with a high quality display at 720p should look good as well.

 

[AppleScruff1]

1080p is a gimmick on smartphones right now. I posted a link earlier to support this by a Moto X engineer no less.

You spent the past 2 pages arguing that 64bit is a gimmick now you are saying it's not? It's hard to debate you when you are changing directions with the wind.

Things really didn't go your way about the 1080p being a gimmick though, did they? So Android marketing hype is bs, Apple marketing hype is gospel?

 

[Black Magic]

Things really didn't go your way about the 1080p being a gimmick though, did they? So Android marketing hype is bs, Apple marketing hype is gospel?

What are you talking about? Misinformed Android users banding together to shoot down logic and facts presented with supporting links. Am I surprised? No. No one presented anything to counter outside of "my eyes say differently" and "those links from professionals you posted are lies". You yourself don't even present worthwhile arguments, you come back saying the opposite of what I just said. I could say "fire" and you would respond "water". Again, no logic. No supporting links. Nothing relevant. Just arguing for the sake of arguing.

It's pointless for me to try and continue this debate because brand loyalty matters more to some of you than actual logic. If you are happy with your device, enjoy!

 

[AppleScruff1]

What are you talking about? Misinformed Android users banding together to shoot down logic and facts presented with supporting links. Am I surprised? No. No one presented anything to counter outside of "my eyes say differently" and "those links from professionals you posted are lies". You yourself don't even present worthwhile arguments, you come back saying the opposite of what I just said. I could say "fire" and you would respond "water". Again, no logic. No supporting links. Nothing relevant. Just arguing for the sake of arguing.

It's pointless for me to try and continue this debate because brand loyalty matters more to some of you than actual logic. If you are happy with your device, enjoy!

I don't recall stating I was an Android user. It seems like you retracted a lot of what you said a bit earlier in the thread as people responded to your initial claims. And it also seems like brand loyalty is quite important to you, yet you knock others for it.

 

[Black Magic]

I don't recall stating I was an Android user. It seems like you retracted a lot of what you said a bit earlier in the thread as people responded to your initial claims. And it also seems like brand loyalty is quite important to you, yet you knock others for it.

I haven't retracted a damn thing! Is this your way of debating? Making up crap as you go along to try and support your baseless claims? You could easily post a quote of mine and correct me if I'm wrong. Go ahead. Ill wait.